Bullshit Thread #7

[Assassin]

Why the hell does HMV - the UK's main musical retailer - have Fall Out Boy in their metal section?

[Martin]

Horrible!

[Fireal1222]

its funny how easy it is to spot atf under new board names. all u have to do is read the posts, and whoever u hate the most, is atf's new name

[deftonekid]

lmao

[Mei]

Just took some pics at the lake...I really like how they turned out.

[Chrisbo]

I wish there was a lake near me!   

[Vlad Drac]

its funny how easy it is to spot atf under new board names. all u have to do is read the posts, and whoever u hate the most, is atf's new name

Now im even cooler then i thought.

[deftonekid]

I wish there was a lake near me!  

WISDOM

[Chrisbo]

I wish there was a lake near me!  

WISDOM

Of course that's what I'm here for! Or maybe I'm here to make a fool of myself, I dont know! Either way, it's all good! Damn it's pretty late here!

[TheProzacFairy]

weeeeeeeeee

[Chrisbo]

That squirrel on fucking funny junk is the shit!!!

[hellview]

I ordered food from the same place in one day.

the same dude came to deliver it also.

[coco.city]

the judge further noted that "the prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from islam should be killed if they refuse to come back" and that even while this is so, "islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. that is why we have told abdul rahman if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him." the judge added more ominously: "if he does not repent, you will all be witness to the sort of punishment he will face."

how strange. how does this: "the prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from islam should be killed if they refuse to come back" and this: "islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity." go together. it's a rhetorical. it just reaffirms everything i think.

[Mei]

Dancing is forbidden...

[Assassin]

the judge further noted that "the prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from islam should be killed if they refuse to come back" and that even while this is so, "islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. that is why we have told abdul rahman if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him." the judge added more ominously: "if he does not repent, you will all be witness to the sort of punishment he will face."

how strange. how does this: "the prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from islam should be killed if they refuse to come back" and this: "islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity." go together. it's a rhetorical. it just reaffirms everything i think.

Well if you already think that, and this has been re-affirmed, is there any point posting inflammatory material? You've clearly already made up your mind as to what you think about Islam.

Dancing is forbidden...

By who?

[coco.city]

it just proves that although there are moderate Muslims, islam itself is not moderate. and it's time for western muslims and western politicians like george bush, john howard and tony blair to stop denying islam's role in the violence since september 11th.

in this mans case, these contradictions (between freedom of religion and sharia) will not go away.

[Assassin]

It doesn't prove anything of the sort. You'd like to think it does, because it supports your seemingly Islamophobic stance on the issue. How about George Bush, John Howard and Tony Blair acknowledging the West's role in the violence since Sept. 11th? When you brutalise, marginalise and devastate a group of people, there comes a breaking point, and the West is feeling that breaking point now. If you knew anything about genuine Islam and not the skewed representation you are fed by the media, you would realise just how ironic it is that you've posted these posts in the bullshit thread.

[coco.city]

i of course didn't think it happened to islam on september 11th, i always knew that it was like that in any case. to say that what happened on the 11th is somehow within islam, it's essential to islam in some sense. maxime rodinson www.secularislam.org/reviews/rodinson.htm the great french islamologue, said that violence is "existentially" islam, that's the word he used, meaning fundamentalism is somehow an essential consequence of islam itself. and now i think, for the first time at least in some countries, there has been a complete breakthrough in the way we discuss islam. certainly in conservative newspapers, but also certain left-wing magazines like marianne and the newspaper like figaro, have started to criticise islam in a very, very fundamental way. but in england, unfortunately, the intellectuals, with a few exceptions, they're beginning to speak up, the intellectuals are so islamically and politically correct that they dare not use the word islam in front of terrorism. they're now following the lead of the politicians. i mean it's quite ironical, both bush and blair are the two leaders who have introduced religion into political life, and now they're the ones to refuse to use the word 'islam' when talking about terrorism. they just won't understand what is happening; they will repeat the same old mistakes. if they cannot analyse the situation and see that islam is the motivating factor behind all this, then how on earth are they going to tackle the problem? it seems completely incomprehensible to me.

the mufti of marseilles said that if violent fundamentalists are acting, and i quote, 'canonically', and that 'i denounce the hypocrisy of muslim theologians who refuse to criticise the theology which underwrites all this violence.' others of course are just going along the same old way saying, 'well we mustn't confuse islam with islamic fundamentalism', blah blah blah, as though nothing has happened. and unfortunately these are the kind of people that the politicians seem to be listening to.

[Assassin]

What are you talking about? You bring random quotes from people no-one has even heard of, people with no authority to speak for the majority of Muslims, in order to 'back up' an essentially flawed argument?

Whenever I turn on the news, someone is talking about 'Islamic terrorism', what are you talking about when you refer to 'political correctness'? Forget political correctness, fundamentally, the phrase so fervently coined by the media 'Islamic terrorism' is completely incorrect. The word 'Islam' comes from the Arabic word 'Salaam' which means 'peace'. The Holy Book of Islam, the Quraan, the utmost authority on all matters of religion, clearly states something along the lines of: 'For the one who kills another human being unjustly, it is like he has killed the whole of humanity; and for one who saves another human being, it is like he has saved the whole of humanity'. You're not even allowed to harm a tree in Islam unless you specifically require the wood for some purpose.

Your argument is very strange, because when you look at true Islam, you can clearly see that gratuitous violence and so-called 'terrorism' are not allowed. To state that it is Islam that is inherently flawed is in itself flawed.

Islam proposes many of the same ideals presented by Judaism and Christianity, and indeed Muslims believe in the same God at Jews and Christians, along with all the same Prophets. Muslims simply regard Islam as the complete version of God's religion which has been revealed to humanity nation by nation, century by century until ready for the most final message, that message being the message of Islam, following the message of Judaism as revealed by Moses, and the message of Christianity as revealed by Jesus.

Something I wish to clarify is the concept of 'jihaad'. This is another term which is misused by the beloved media. Jihaad means 'struggle' in Arabic, and the most pressing form of struggle than a Muslim must contend with is known as 'Jihaad al-Nafs', meaning 'struggle of the self', fighting against one's own self-destructive desires and impulses. This is the primary form of jihaad. There is also a form of jihaad which is self-defensive, and it is the duty of every able Muslim to fight this kind of jihaad to protect themselves. I believe there are 4 conditions which allow a Muslim to engage in this form of jihaad; if one is directly harmed/threatened, if one's family is directly harmed/threated, if one's wealth is directly harmed/threatened and if the Muslim nation is harmed/threatened.

There is nothing in Islam however, which allows for direct conquest or 'terrorist acts'. The conflict here lies in whether you see the assault on the Muslim world as an assault, which would thus make this form of jihaad acceptable and allowed.

[ToneDef]

Why the hell does HMV - the UK's main musical retailer - have Fall Out Boy in their metal section?

Errr.. Because they're the UK's main musical retailer?