"Ohms" - Deftones New Album

[Digaums]

I'm guessing that Genesis is a song about the band's life and career (maybe the entire album).

"I reject ... both sides of what I'm being told" is there anything more Deftones than that?

Some points are interesting too. Talking about balance, rebirth...
"Oh, can you taste your life? Balanced
How will you spend your time? Reborn"

Seems to be clear the duality. Singles listed and launched in opposition order.

Two personas trying to find themselves on Ohms.

The double exposure effect on Genesis music video (everything in only two colours — b&w).

It's a big Lego box. Haha!

[buflen]

Well I caved and watched the video premiere... I'm getting some serious Ohms vibes

Weak

[secretbandinsider]

Is it really Sergio singing?

[Yossarian]

Parts of the vocals on Genesis remind me of the chorus on that Team Sleep song King Diamond.

Bridge on Genesis remind me of the guitar wall sound on that Team Sleep song Blvd. Nights.

[rainnyx4]

 I feel like MOOOOOOORE could have been done with Genesis. Probably the most annoying thing about this band is when they write songs that just miss the mark due to laziness or just bad decisions during the bridge. Was really disappointed when they got to the bridge and they did the predictable "let's just play the chorus riff without the rest of the band" thing and then suddenly it feels like it's going to go somewhere different and exciting...and then just back to the chorus riff again...come on guys! Same thing kind of happens during Ohms when they have the extra riff after the second chorus. Should've played with that a little more and have the song go in a less obvious direction.

I feel like this has been confirmed numerous times, but it seems like Chino has final say over the format of songs. I think he cut up SNW pretty much all by himself and he mentioned that when Steph writes songs they tend to be MUCH longer initially and that he gets them to make them abbreviated in the end. Gotta wonder what the earlier versions of these songs look like.

Overall, decent song, vocals on the chorus are interesting and dig all of the synth. But they feel like they're dangerously close to becoming Tool in the sense that they keep releasing the same album over and over again to less dramatic effect. Song sounds like a less impactful Leathers/Poltergeist/(L)MIRL/Royal.

[ANattyRat]

After further listening, I'm hearing the weird vocal effect on "Can you taste your life?" now. Kinda reminds me of the underwater-sounding effect on his voice on MX. An intentional callback? It's less noticeable in the video version.

I think there's callbacks to a lot of their old stuff. "We're miles beyond the sound" feels like a twist on Hexagram's "If you keep listening, you can hear it for miles".

Yeah I love that effect on his voice. I'd love a whole song with the vocals like that because MX is one of my favourite songs ever (hearing them play it live was like a dream come true lol), it fits with that kind of dark, moody vibe too. Lots of callbacks to their previous songs/albums (whether intentional or not).

The video I'm not really a fan of (and I feel like it should've come with a warning for people who suffer from seizures for safety lol), but I don't mind since 99% of the time I'm not watching the video, I'm listening to the audio version. Plus it's understandable with how things are at the moment. I kind of thought it'd be like Ohms but with a different vibe, different images, etc. But it's not a big deal. Ohms is one of my favourite videos from them though, for sure.

[LG95]

The Ohms video was a pleasant surprise. I never expect good videos from them.

[buflen]

I feel like this has been confirmed numerous times, but it seems like Chino has final say over the format of songs. I think he cut up SNW pretty much all by himself and he mentioned that when Steph writes songs they tend to be MUCH longer initially and that he gets them to make them abbreviated in the end. Gotta wonder what the earlier versions of these songs look like.

he did for SNW, but nothing is confirmed for the other albums. But to be honest, some of the SNW demos seemed to drag on forever.

[sharinglungs]

Stef pretty much confirmed the other day on a podcast that I'm the end Chino changes things after it's been finished. I don't think he does it for every song, but it was implied that Chino changes things around quite frequently.

[buflen]

Stef pretty much confirmed the other day on a podcast that I'm the end Chino changes things after it's been finished. I don't think he does it for every song, but it was implied that Chino changes things around quite frequently.

Yeah, it'd make sense for his melody and ideas to fit in the song, but IMO he should build and write that part while making the music.
Or they record more than they need to have room to do some edit (making riffs repeat longer etc)

[Jdubzor]

Stef pretty much confirmed the other day on a podcast that I'm the end Chino changes things after it's been finished. I don't think he does it for every song, but it was implied that Chino changes things around quite frequently.

I thought Steph was the boss? Maybe he was on break when Chino did that. Cause when youre the boss, you can take a break as long as you want.

[Sleeping_Giant]

Was it always like this? With WP and ATF too?That's a very strange way to make a song but whatever. It's fine for them so our opinions are irrelevant

[LG95]

Writing the vocals after the music is recorded is unusual but by no means unique. Cocteau Twins, for example, always created the music before Liz Fraser added her vocals. Maynard James Keenan does it like that with all his projects. It's a longer way of doing it and probably frustrating for the rest of your band who are waiting for the song to be finished. But then it also forces the band to write music that already works on its own instrumentally. Then the vocals come in like an additional instrument on top.

[Inkblades]

 

[buflen]

Writing the vocals after the music is recorded is unusual but by no means unique. Cocteau Twins, for example, always created the music before Liz Fraser added her vocals. Maynard James Keenan does it like that with all his projects. It's a longer way of doing it and probably frustrating for the rest of your band who are waiting for the song to be finished. But then it also forces the band to write music that already works on its own instrumentally. Then the vocals come in like an additional instrument on top.

but then, there are risk of the singer to come in, can't write anything off the music, decide to play with the song structure to fit his melody, and make it worse. some songs off SNW comes to mind.

[LG95]

Writing the vocals after the music is recorded is unusual but by no means unique. Cocteau Twins, for example, always created the music before Liz Fraser added her vocals. Maynard James Keenan does it like that with all his projects. It's a longer way of doing it and probably frustrating for the rest of your band who are waiting for the song to be finished. But then it also forces the band to write music that already works on its own instrumentally. Then the vocals come in like an additional instrument on top.

but then, there are risk of the singer to come in, can't write anything off the music, decide to play with the song structure to fit his melody, and make it worse. some songs off SNW comes to mind.

Well yeah, hence there's no right or wrong way to do it. Positives and negatives to either process. A punk band couldn't record like that, for example.

[Inkblades]

Probably the most annoying thing about this band is when they write songs that just miss the mark due to laziness or just bad decisions during the bridge. Was really disappointed when they got to the bridge and they did the predictable "let's just play the chorus riff without the rest of the band" thing and then suddenly it feels like it's going to go somewhere different and exciting...and then just back to the chorus riff again...come on guys! Same thing kind of happens during Ohms when they have the extra riff after the second chorus. Should've played with that a little more and have the song go in a less obvious direction.

I've definitely felt that way about some of their past songs that had weak bridges and then went right back to a verse or chorus like like Entombed and What Happened to You? or songs that practically have no bridges like Graphic Nature and Gauze. But the bridge on Genesis works like gangbusters to me so I don't mind when they go back to the chorus for the third and final time. Plus the jump from bridge to chorus blends pretty seamlessly. From what I'm hearing, Stef throws down two different riffs on the bridge alone and then another riff over the repeated verse riff on the outro for extra depth (if it's not Chino's guitar, might be). I mean this thing is a fucking riff fest through and through. I feel like Stef really stepped it up on this song.

[Capt Snow]

Writing the vocals after the music is recorded is unusual but by no means unique. Cocteau Twins, for example, always created the music before Liz Fraser added her vocals. Maynard James Keenan does it like that with all his projects. It's a longer way of doing it and probably frustrating for the rest of your band who are waiting for the song to be finished. But then it also forces the band to write music that already works on its own instrumentally. Then the vocals come in like an additional instrument on top.

I think Chino said somewhere in an interview that during the songwriting process he adds some simple vocals that gave the idea of a vocal melody but are mostly unintelligable gibberish. Later he comes up with the lyrics and then he sings it for the final work.

I think the concept vocals for Cherry Waves were once posted on this board, it's really interesting to listen to. Another forum member probably knows what I'm talking about.

[buflen]

Writing the vocals after the music is recorded is unusual but by no means unique. Cocteau Twins, for example, always created the music before Liz Fraser added her vocals. Maynard James Keenan does it like that with all his projects. It's a longer way of doing it and probably frustrating for the rest of your band who are waiting for the song to be finished. But then it also forces the band to write music that already works on its own instrumentally. Then the vocals come in like an additional instrument on top.

I think Chino said somewhere in an interview that during the songwriting process he adds some simple vocals that gave the idea of a vocal melody but are mostly unintelligable gibberish. Later he comes up with the lyrics and then he sings it for the final work.

I think the concept vocals for Cherry Waves were once posted on this board, it's really interesting to listen to. Another forum member probably knows what I'm talking about.

The SNW demos have those vocals in. Just gibberish. The Combats demo vocals are hilarious

[Slacker]

its not sergio in the backing vocals

theres nothing remotly close to "salsa" anywhere

theres no 9 string visible in either of the two songs available

im psyched that some of yall are enjoying the new stuff. but lets not blow out of proportion some of this stuff.