Gore

[RaptureWS]

It's kind of funny....Gore is one of my favorite Deftones albums ever, yet I still agree with those that hope Stef has more input on the next record. He was obviously discouraged with the direction of this album and I think it shows. I feel like some of his riffs on this album are so uninspired. In particular, the end of Phantom Bride. That riff sounds like something you would come up with when warming up or tuning your rig. It's like he just went with the first thing that came to his head and said "Yeah that's good enough".

[ANattyRat]

True. I'm not sure why he felt uninspired and what took him so long to get into putting some ideas into motion, but hopefully there won't be a repeat of it. I'd like to see their next album have much more of his input, even though I pretty much don't have a genuine negative opinion about Gore at all. From Adrenaline to Gore, I've loved their music and change of sounds. So I wouldn't be worried if they did something differently this time to last time. Though I don't think people should expect that a more Stef-heavy album would be heavier and more aggressive. A lot of people seem to think that, but he puts forward some less heavy ideas too, and plus when the rest of the band come into the song with their own ideas, the end result can be quite different.

[Red Pill]

Then Stef is vocal about his input or lack thereof and how his band has moved away from him, hinting that dynamic chemistry that has helped create this special sound between members may have run its course. I always saw the response to this as damage control and once I heard the album felt that was exactly that. This was furthered by news of delayed release dates and issues with mixing, allegedly bringing back Terry Date to mix only to discard it and go with something in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVsw6MefOQ&t

Clip from recent interview with Stef where he mentions having "no one to count on for practically anything" as a support system mixed with "making the most of it" when recording the album gave me bad vibes. I tend to agree with his "please, let's not be in a rush" attitude to them putting out another Deftones record. Gore is easily my least favorite album they've released.

Exactly... Gore 5/10

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah Stef is probably also well aware it's that difference in style that makes the end result unique, sure it can be difficult for him in the beginning because the raw elements of the songs don't really welcome his heavy style so he has to wait to find where he comes in but in the end he said he's happy with the songs, bottom line is neither of them are great guitarists it's the interplay between Chinos pretty guitar and Stefs heavy riffs that make the songs interesting, heavy riffs lose impact if there's no pretty riffs to provide contrast and visa versa, that being said I feel like the mixing in this album was bad for showcasing that, it makes the transitions real flat like in Hearts/Wires the part where the heavy guitar kicks it lacks the impact it should have.

[float here 4ever]

Ok. I've been wanting to say this for months but I'm in the minority with this opinion. I really don't get the love for  (L)MIRL. I love the intro. And the lyrics at that part. But then it shifts to this more upbeat song and it starts so dark. I don't know. Someone explain it to me.

I'm with you. I love the initial vibe and then it sort of peters out for me.

Same here

[BewareTheWater]

I think it's an overrated track, but still a pretty great one. My favorite ( or at least one of em ) would probably be Geometric Headdress, vastly underrated.

[Seven]

2 overrated songs, in my opinion!

[BewareTheWater]

Geometric Headdress is overrated ? I feel like I'm the only one here who even mentions it...


Instrumentals are all over the place, then the chorus kicks in and it's fucking beautiful....

[Seven]

I was disappointed with the song. Thought there was nothing special about it.

[ANattyRat]

Geometric Headdress is overrated ? I feel like I'm the only one here who even mentions it...


Instrumentals are all over the place, then the chorus kicks in and it's fucking beautiful....

I fully agree with you, but I've been praising Geometric Headdress since day one, so you're not the only one. I don't know how so many people dislike it so much, it's magnificent. Lyrically one of my favourite ever songs from the band, too. I remember reading an interview and Chino said that, unlike how he usually writes, he came up with the title first, and then wrote the lyrics based on the title. I wouldn't want all his songs to be like that because he has his own style, but I think in this case it worked brilliantly.

Rubicon? That's overrated. An excellent song, but jeez, every single person was obsessed with it like it was the best song that has ever existed.

[Red Pill]

Chino said that, unlike how he usually writes, he came up with the title first, and then wrote the lyrics based on the title. I wouldn't want all his songs to be like that

I feel the same way, Geometric is weak.
Chino should keep in mind his unique and vulgar songwriting. Otherwise the lack of conviction behind them will make the lyrics feel stale.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Ya'll are nuts. LMIRL is one of the best tracks on Gore, and GH is definitely up there too.

[The Prodigy]

Opinions... Weak tracks.

[Penicks]

gh is fucking shit

[E-Money]

I think the drums in GH are some of the most pathetic recorded/produced/mixed that I've ever heard. Abe plays so solid all over this record and the drums just sound like shit.

[LG95]

GH is good but Matt Hyde can get to fuck.

[Reichward]

New DAC received today, the bass in GH seems more present and precise than before (although the overwhelming bass of my headphones is starting to annoy me). This track's got some hidden beauty to it. Not a long-time favourite though.

Still a sucker for Acid Hologram however.


Also I agree Matt Hyde is a bigger flaw than any of the music on this record. Almost makes you miss Nick Raskulinecz setting all the knobs and buttons at max.

[O]

I was disappointed with the song. Thought there was nothing special about it.

[defTHE1s]

I think the drums in GORE are some of the most pathetic recorded/produced/mixed that I've ever heard. Abe plays so solid all over this record and the drums just sound like shit.

Fixed.

[stephtones]

I think the drums in GORE are some of the most pathetic recorded/produced/mixed that I've ever heard. Abe plays so solid all over this record and the drums just sound like shit.

Fixed.

Have to agree with this. No idea why they stopped working with Terry Date. Gore is a split for me between really hating Matt Hyde's production and finding the songs to be mostly ok (some of them make me cringe slightly) but not better than what's come before. In terms of live shows to me this means that better songs are being cut for newer material that's just average at best and feels kind of lazy.. just my opinion.