Gore

[ANattyRat]

I didn't like the album after listening to it for the first and second time, at all, I never disliked a Deftones album that much after listening to it the first couple of times. After Rubicon ended the first time, I didn't even felt the need to listen to it again.
But damn, now I'm in love with it. I was like "Ugh, it isn't even the worst Deftones album, it's just a bad album", and now it is in my top 3 Deftones albums.
I guess the reason for that is, that it really feels like a cohesive album again rather than a collection of songs. To me, SNW, DE and KNY has really great songs, but I rarely listened to them front to back. Gore has standout tracks too, but I can appreciate them even more in context of the rest of the album. And I guess I didn't expect that, because it has been such a long time since I saw an album by them like that.
But anyway, because of that, I do like a couple of songs only in context of the album (Teenager comes in mind, I love it, but not on its own). It's not that I dislike H/W, but when I listen to it on its own, it's really bland and disappointing after such a beautiful intro. But you guys seem to really enjoy it.

So yeah, I just want to ask you guys: do you like H/W more than say Rosemary?

I prefer Hearts/Wires, I hardly ever listen to Rosemary these days. I like it a lot, but it isn't the kind of song that I actively seek out to listen to.

[HooiserBowhunter]

I didn't like the album after listening to it for the first and second time, at all, I never disliked a Deftones album that much after listening to it the first couple of times. After Rubicon ended the first time, I didn't even felt the need to listen to it again.
But damn, now I'm in love with it. I was like "Ugh, it isn't even the worst Deftones album, it's just a bad album", and now it is in my top 3 Deftones albums.
I guess the reason for that is, that it really feels like a cohesive album again rather than a collection of songs. To me, SNW, DE and KNY has really great songs, but I rarely listened to them front to back. Gore has standout tracks too, but I can appreciate them even more in context of the rest of the album. And I guess I didn't expect that, because it has been such a long time since I saw an album by them like that.
But anyway, because of that, I do like a couple of songs only in context of the album (Teenager comes in mind, I love it, but not on its own). It's not that I dislike H/W, but when I listen to it on its own, it's really bland and disappointing after such a beautiful intro. But you guys seem to really enjoy it.

So yeah, I just want to ask you guys: do you like H/W more than say Rosemary?

I like Rosemary better than H/W, but I like H/W better than any song on DE. Which is weird to me b/c I think DE is a better over all record than both Koi and Gore. I think the only reason I like Koi better than Gore is simply that I just love Tempest, Leathers, Entombed, and Rosemary over H/W, Acid Hologram, (L)mirl, and Phantom Bride. I just prefer the sound of Koi or DE. I will say I like Gore more than ATF.

[therealdaebat]

I will say I like Gore more than ATF.

ducks and covers

[HooiserBowhunter]

I will say I like Gore more than ATF.

ducks and covers

[pelican fly]

I didn't like the album after listening to it for the first and second time, at all, I never disliked a Deftones album that much after listening to it the first couple of times. After Rubicon ended the first time, I didn't even felt the need to listen to it again.
But damn, now I'm in love with it. I was like "Ugh, it isn't even the worst Deftones album, it's just a bad album", and now it is in my top 3 Deftones albums.
I guess the reason for that is, that it really feels like a cohesive album again rather than a collection of songs. To me, SNW, DE and KNY has really great songs, but I rarely listened to them front to back. Gore has standout tracks too, but I can appreciate them even more in context of the rest of the album. And I guess I didn't expect that, because it has been such a long time since I saw an album by them like that.
But anyway, because of that, I do like a couple of songs only in context of the album (Teenager comes in mind, I love it, but not on its own). It's not that I dislike H/W, but when I listen to it on its own, it's really bland and disappointing after such a beautiful intro. But you guys seem to really enjoy it.

So yeah, I just want to ask you guys: do you like H/W more than say Rosemary?

yea, Hearts sounds simple but it's layered just right. the tension explodes in the last 2+ min and that makes the song what it's supposed to be.

I love Acid Hologram so much.

I wish it wouldn't end most times I hear it.

[Inkblades]

So yeah, I just want to ask you guys: do you like H/W more than say Rosemary?

I'd say so. Rosemary's a great song, but like Poltergeist, Beware and Rapture, I just prefer the live version. Rosemary live has a bit of a cool twangy Western vibe that is lost in the studio version. Also, I kind of can't stand Stephen's retread of that repetitive ass Diamond Eyes riff at the end of the song. H/W ends with more of a cathartic high for me. I'm actually kinda glad we never got a studio version of Finger of Death, because there's a good possibility that the searing intensity of the live version would have been completely lost in a studio version.

[Cullision]

lot of people i know who are deftones fans hate this album. also seen some bad reviews...seems like the general consensus (outside of the diehards) is the album is one big turd......probably the best thing to happen to the band because maybe it will keep Chino in check and stop him from taking over the entire band

hey jay, was this you at the needledrop when fantano gave gore a shitty review?

LOL yea that was me..i had issues with that guy before. i got into an argument with him a year ago on FB after he decimated faith no mores new album

You're my hero lol

[illthrowROCKS@U]

How could it be that "the general consensus (outside of the diehards) is the album is one big turd," when the only album of theirs to be ranked higher on Metacritic is KNY? Clearly there's a disconnect here... It is by every measure a huge critical and commercial success. If anything, the people like you are by far in the minority.

[jaypayton]

How could it be that "the general consensus (outside of the diehards) is the album is one big turd," when the only album of theirs to be ranked higher on Metacritic is KNY? Clearly there's a disconnect here... It is by every measure a huge critical and commercial success. If anything, the people like you are by far in the minority.

I dont dislike the album. i think its better than KNY. im talking about for the casual deftones fan, it seems like theres a lot of negative reactions....the casual fans got hard off of DE and KNY..i kinda like that the album is alienating some people....always good to challenge and piss off your fanbase, thats why faith no more is my fav band.

[kurtone]

Ahhh the casual fans, the ones who only record My Own Summer on their phone and only know three songs, My Own Summer, Change and Diamond Eyes.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

How could it be that "the general consensus (outside of the diehards) is the album is one big turd," when the only album of theirs to be ranked higher on Metacritic is KNY? Clearly there's a disconnect here... It is by every measure a huge critical and commercial success. If anything, the people like you are by far in the minority.

I dont dislike the album. i think its better than KNY. im talking about for the casual deftones fan, it seems like theres a lot of negative reactions....the casual fans got hard off of DE and KNY..i kinda like that the album is alienating some people....always good to challenge and piss off your fanbase, thats why faith no more is my fav band.

You're right. The casual fans and the new fans aren't used to the changes. KNY wasn't really much of a stylistic change from DE. Not that it was exactly the same by any means, but it wasn't that different either. The change between DE and KNY is probably the smallest change between 2 consecutive albums they've ever had.

People who lived through the previous albums know very well that their sound changes through every album. We're used to it, they're not. They thought Deftones would maintain the overly clean, simplistic, and fairly radio-friendly songs from DE and (to a lesser extent) KNY. They just weren't prepared I guess.

[rainnyx4]

LOL @ radio friendly songs on a Deftones album. Do you guys actually listen to the radio and hear them being played or something? I can't imagine really anything on their albums being played on the radio. There just isn't much of a market for this type of music anymore.

Wit that said, I can't remember the last time I even listened to the radio.

[Inkblades]

Maybe radio friendly is the wrong term, but Chino definitely writes more upbeat, poppy stuff this decade than he did in the 90's and 00's. Diamond Eyes, Sextape, Butcher, Swerve City, Romantic Dreams, Xenon chorus, Crosses, etc. Poppy doesn't automatically mean bad, btw. Crosses is poppy as all get out and I think it's the best album he's released this decade. The really ironic part is that Change, one of their darker, creepier songs IMO, just happens to be their single biggest radio hit. Go figure.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

When I said "radio friendly," please keep in mind the context here. This is Deftones we're talking about, after all. DE was about as radio friendly as Deftones can get while still retaining who they are.

Inkblades is right. "Radio friendly," or "poppy," doesn't automatically mean bad. But it was what it was. The fans who joined during that era were accustomed to a different attitude than most of us are.

[Dryalex12]

Did some vocal extraction on doomed user to make it instrumental: https://mega.nz/#!E8wTyQoR!-1klislbozaftEj-lSuLyivtGJlSjpu1kBFbYFBvkUo

Now here is the Vocal track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFEHUS_YK3o

[sooniletugo]

So yeah, I just want to ask you guys: do you like H/W more than say Rosemary?

I'd say so. Rosemary's a great song, but like Poltergeist, Beware and Rapture, I just prefer the live version. Rosemary live has a bit of a cool twangy Western vibe that is lost in the studio version. Also, I kind of can't stand Stephen's retread of that repetitive ass Diamond Eyes riff at the end of the song. H/W ends with more of a cathartic high for me. I'm actually kinda glad we never got a studio version of Finger of Death, because there's a good possibility that the searing intensity of the live version would have been completely lost in a studio version.

totally agree. Rosemary album version is so flat sounding compared to the live version.

[LG95]

People should just stop using the term 'radio-friendly' to describe anything Deftones do. It's quite clearly bullshit and in no way descriptive of the last three records. Come up with something else.

[mono]

No info about the instrumentals yet?

[Hidalgo]

Maybe radio friendly is the wrong term, but Chino definitely writes more upbeat, poppy stuff this decade than he did in the 90's and 00's. Diamond Eyes, Sextape, Butcher, Swerve City, Romantic Dreams, Xenon chorus, Crosses, etc. Poppy doesn't automatically mean bad, btw. Crosses is poppy as all get out and I think it's the best album he's released this decade. The really ironic part is that Change, one of their darker, creepier songs IMO, just happens to be their single biggest radio hit. Go figure.

when is the last time anyone here heard 'change' on the radio? it's been at least 12 years for me. they played it in 2000, & a bit in 2001 & then it was over forever. same with minerva, diamond eyes, ystb, etc. radio refuses to make any deftones song a mainstay. some singles do ok for 6 months at most, then basically never played again

[deftjess]

Does anyone think any song will be nominated for a grammy or album?