Gore

[mono]

Pains me to say it, P/T live is pretty fucking bad. Thinking its new song nerves or maybe chino is drunk.

Apparently he had/was recovering from pneumonia too, so probably a combination of all three, haha.

pneumonia? bah, hope it´s only this and not a permanent thing about his vocal cords (again). P/T sounds horrible live (just vocal)

[ANattyRat]

Pains me to say it, P/T live is pretty fucking bad. Thinking its new song nerves or maybe chino is drunk.

Apparently he had/was recovering from pneumonia too, so probably a combination of all three, haha.

pneumonia? bah, hope it´s only this and not a permanent thing about his vocal cords (again). P/T sounds horrible live (just vocal)

Sounds like it, even when he was talking his voice sounded a bit off, so probably that. Not that his voice is perfect the rest of the time, but definitely better than that.

[deftoner664]

I'm excited to hear that whammy bar dive Stephen does on Doomed User in the studio version. His 8 string riffs in between the verses sound great.

[E-Money]

I was at the show the other night guys and I can promise u the new songs sound bad because he was sick. It was really clear that he wasn't feeling well. The last time I saw them In Ventura on Halloween his voice sounded so great . Was really excited for Saturday night but whatever. If he's sick then nothing he can do about it. But yes prayers made me cringe... Hope he gets better soon. They shoud have waited to play new stuff in my opinion. Especially with him sick. I can understand trying prayers but it's a tough song to sing. And Steph is responsible for the guitar intro. I always thought that was chino but nope.

[deftoner664]

And Steph is responsible for the guitar intro. I always thought that was chino but nope.

I thought the same too, thanks for sharing that.

[guizz]

yes, the verse chords sounded so Chino like... But at the same time, Steph came up with intros like Fist in the past. He does melodic shit too.

[E-Money]

yes, the verse chords sounded so Chino like... But at the same time, Steph came up with intros like Fist in the past. He does melodic shit too.

True but I really thought this one would be chino. Reminds me of the sextape intro and rosemary. Chino did not play the guitar part in the 3rd chorus either during the show. I think that guitar part should have gone throughout the whole song.

[ANattyRat]

I was at the show the other night guys and I can promise u the new songs sound bad because he was sick. It was really clear that he wasn't feeling well. The last time I saw them In Ventura on Halloween his voice sounded so great . Was really excited for Saturday night but whatever. If he's sick then nothing he can do about it. But yes prayers made me cringe... Hope he gets better soon. They shoud have waited to play new stuff in my opinion. Especially with him sick. I can understand trying prayers but it's a tough song to sing. And Steph is responsible for the guitar intro. I always thought that was chino but nope.

That's good to hear. Not good he was sick, haha, but good that it seems to be the reason for the vocals not being their best. Maybe they should've waited, but you know we all would've complained like crazy if they didn't at least play Prayers/Triangles. He tried his best with what he was dealing with, and at the very least, it's got us excited for the album and how the songs sound on that, and excited for upcoming shows when they've had more time to practice and Chino's hopefully fully recovered.

[defTHE1s]

A couple quick points I want to make:

1. Yeah, there's just no way DE and KNY are their heaviest records. That's clearly Adrenaline and ATF. Why? Almost every song on those two albums has pummeling riffs and Chino screaming his head off for extended periods of time.

2. I also wouldn't say S/T is their heaviest album. However, I would say it's one of their darker records, along with White Pony. To me, there is a difference between a dark sound and a heavy sound.

3. V, I agree with you that KNY is the least of their albums and definitely has something missing, but can we put all the blame on Chino? Maybe some, but we also have to look at Steph for coming up with a lot of bland and uninspired riffs. I mean, he's pretty much even admitting he doesn't care about getting better and he didn't want to play on Gore.

I only blame Stef by switchin' to 7 & 8 strings and doing pretty basic stuff that he could do just using a baritone 6 string easily.
The only album using 7 strings that is worth (guitar wise talking) or that he put a little more effort and creativity was S/T and the SNW demos (Ezrin Sessions).
For all the rest, the riffs are pretty basic always and it's obvious he doesn't take full advantage of the range of tones those new guitars are capable of.
And note that this is only my opinion.
Maybe Chino wen't too mainstream, did Crosses and all that (happy / hipster, name it what you want) stuff, but he also inconsciously was being left behind, as he said in a recent interview, by his quest on finding "the perfect sound" instead of focusing on new ideas on guitar playing.

[pelican fly]

Hope we get a new song tomorrow.

[2MoreHours]

A couple quick points I want to make:

1. Yeah, there's just no way DE and KNY are their heaviest records. That's clearly Adrenaline and ATF. Why? Almost every song on those two albums has pummeling riffs and Chino screaming his head off for extended periods of time.

2. I also wouldn't say S/T is their heaviest album. However, I would say it's one of their darker records, along with White Pony. To me, there is a difference between a dark sound and a heavy sound.

3. V, I agree with you that KNY is the least of their albums and definitely has something missing, but can we put all the blame on Chino? Maybe some, but we also have to look at Steph for coming up with a lot of bland and uninspired riffs. I mean, he's pretty much even admitting he doesn't care about getting better and he didn't want to play on Gore.

I only blame Stef by switchin' to 7 & 8 strings and doing pretty basic stuff that he could do just using a baritone 6 string easily.
The only album using 7 strings that is worth (guitar wise talking) or that he put a little more effort and creativity was S/T and the SNW demos (Ezrin Sessions).
For all the rest, the riffs are pretty basic always and it's obvious he doesn't take full advantage of the range of tones those new guitars are capable of.
And note that this is only my opinion.
Maybe Chino wen't too mainstream, did Crosses and all that (happy / hipster, name it what you want) stuff, but he also inconsciously was being left behind, as he said in a recent interview, by his quest on finding "the perfect sound" instead of focusing on new ideas on guitar playing.

When S/T first came out, I was excited about hearing the stuff with the 7 strings but the more albums they keep putting out, the less I like it.  There are some cool moments with the lower notes but it seems kind of played out now.  I'd like for Stef to go back to 6 strings like the first 3 albums.  They are heavy as hell without having to be so low tuned.  I do like an occasional low tuned moment like Rats but sometimes it's over-done.

[RavinVsFlud]

3 points:

1) would you rather they cancel the show due to chino being sick and disappoint all of the fans that bought tickets, waited to see them for however long and then showed up at the venue?

2) would you rather we not get a chance to hear a new track from them and then complain that the set list is too predictable blah blah blah?

3) would you rather that the style of their music not evolve with the opportunity to evolve into something else past the current sound? Or just keep trying to recapture the same (fill in the blank album here), in a lack luster manner?

[LG95]

Better to make the setlist predictable than put in a mediocre performance of two new songs, especially Doomed User given it's the first time people would be hearing the song.

[sharinglungs]

Anyone know how long it was from when they played Rosemary live to when we got the official song online?

[deftoner664]

They played Rosemary in September 2012... It was very late October till rosemary came out..I think it was when the album leaked or someone ripped the cassette with leathers and rosemary on it that they were selling at the merch booths during the tour before KNY leaked.

[ANattyRat]

Better to make the setlist predictable than put in a mediocre performance of two new songs, especially Doomed User given it's the first time people would be hearing the song.

You say that, but someone posted a pic of the setlist (evidently the wrong setlist) containing the usual songs, and already people were complaining. Before the show even freaking started, basically. If people judge a song or an album based on how it sounds live, especially when it comes to Chino's vocals, then they're being silly. I am extra excited for this album after hearing Doomed User, and it's satiated my impatience a bit, which is nice. If it doesn't hype someone up because the audio quality isn't that good, or because Chino's vocals aren't their best, or because they simply don't like how the song sounds, that's fair enough, but it isn't supposed to be a declaration that the album is going to sound exactly like that performance. So yeah, it's the first time they've played it, which holds some weight, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal. There will be many more performances.

[defTHE1s]

Pains me to say it, P/T live is pretty fucking bad. Thinking its new song nerves or maybe chino is drunk.

He was suffering a cold or something like that, but yeah, if he knew he was like that, he could have preserved the moment and play the new songs later when he feels less bad.
Yeah. P/T was painful to hear.

[N0S3BLEED976]

Pains me to say it, P/T live is pretty fucking bad. Thinking its new song nerves or maybe chino is drunk.

He was suffering a cold or something like that, but yeah, if he knew he was like that, he could have preserved the moment and play the new songs later when he feels less bad.
Yeah. P/T was painful to hear.

Give it some time. Subsequent live performances of say Poltergeist also got way better later on

[defTHE1s]

Pains me to say it, P/T live is pretty fucking bad. Thinking its new song nerves or maybe chino is drunk.

He was suffering a cold or something like that, but yeah, if he knew he was like that, he could have preserved the moment and play the new songs later when he feels less bad.
Yeah. P/T was painful to hear.

Give it some time. Subsequent live performances of say Poltergeist also got way better later on

Yeah, I know (and hope) that, but he could go easy with the setlist and try to play them (new songs) when he was already recovered.

And to complement with this:

3 points:

1) would you rather they cancel the show due to chino being sick and disappoint all of the fans that bought tickets, waited to see them for however long and then showed up at the venue?

2) would you rather we not get a chance to hear a new track from them and then complain that the set list is too predictable blah blah blah?

3) would you rather that the style of their music not evolve with the opportunity to evolve into something else past the current sound? Or just keep trying to recapture the same (fill in the blank album here), in a lack luster manner?

I would prefer them playing setlist with no new songs. Of course, hearing the rest of the songs played we could tell that he wasn't good to sing, so it would have been pretty understandable. At least, I won't mind if they would have left new songs to play later.
Btw, haven't heard another songs played then, were they good? How about Hexagram?

[King Leer]

*Sighs*

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