Deftones new album

[DeftonesNZ]

He's not a expert guitar player but he can write cool stuff, he's actually pretty similar to Robert Smith in how he plays simple stuff with a lot of atmosphere so I'd be pretty excited to seem them collaborate.

[N0S3BLEED976]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

[cvthedrv]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.

[N0S3BLEED976]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.

gtfo

[Crazylegs]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

One of the main reasons i still listen to deftones is that i find a lot of Chino's vocal work and melodies really cool, but his way of writing/thinking music just doesn't translate to his guitar playing I think. To me it mostly ends up sounding super juvenile, if that makes sense. Digital bath is probably one of the better ones. For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?

[nicklav]

Didn't he also write Riviere? I like his part on that.

[rainnyx4]

The interplay between Stef and Chino on guitar is what is giving this band a lot of its longevity, dynamics, and innovation.  Chino's stuff on the albums is generally pretty great but he's incredibly sloppy/lazy live which results in some poor sounding performances.

[cvthedrv]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

he only tries to cover the fact that he is singing like shit.

gtfo

talk like a real person, dumbass.

[snw9]

I just wanna hear him and Chino try to match some lead grooves on guitar while the rest of the band follows and plays off it.

Chino shouldn't be allowed within reach of guitars. Let's be honest, he is beyond terrible.

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

One of the main reasons i still listen to deftones is that i find a lot of Chino's vocal work and melodies really cool, but his way of writing/thinking music just doesn't translate to his guitar playing I think. To me it mostly ends up sounding super juvenile, if that makes sense. Digital bath is probably one of the better ones. For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?

I disagree that Chino shouldn't play guitar as it actually gives another side of Deftones, a more slower one with melodies, atmospheric elements. For example the song Change, he wrote some of the riffs against Stephen's wishes and by adding Frank's effects, its clearly one of their best songs.

Perhaps he shouldn't play on every song so that there can be a balance of dynamics.

[Penicks]

i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff

[nicklav]

i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff

Yes. More Feiticeria and less chug chug.

[Far away]

i'd rather steph do something about his lazy ugly ass riffs (thanks for ruining rosemary bro) than chino with his simple melodic stuff

Yes. More Feiticeria and less chug chug.

+1

[from_musings]

Digital Bath begs to differ. It's all pretty simple stuff, but it adds some nice atmospherics layers to what Steph is playing.

yeah but he shamelessly took the chords from the smashing pumpkin's song "daphne descends".
i would'nt say he's "beyond terrible" with the guitar - that's going too far.but he is terrible.
speaking of his melodies/vocals, chino's vocals and melodies outside of deftones aren't that great to me....his melodies and stephen's guitar playing by themselves aren't anything super special - It's when his melodies are combined with stef's simple riffs - that's when fireworks occurs. It's like the sum becomes greater than the components, 1+1=3 kind of deal. i'm pretty tired of chino ballads and hope stef write some awesme adrenaline riffs that chino can go nuts on. riffs where you actually can hear a guitarist having fun playing the instrument.

That being said, "smile" from eros was fucking amazeballs.

[82IR@Q]

Yea Chino sounds great on Smile.

For instance, check out the parts of minerva where he's playing by himself. What the fuck?

That is one of their best songs and Chino is a main part of that. The sound is huge...Stephen and Chino's tone is perfect and it plays off of each other great .

He's not a expert guitar player but he can write cool stuff, he's actually pretty similar to Robert Smith in how he plays simple stuff with a lot of atmosphere so I'd be pretty excited to seem them collaborate.

Exactly.

[deftoner664]

I'm curious to see how they approach the guitar work this album. Stephen said he's going to focus more on improving his playing and doesn't plan to tune down anymore because he has enough range with his 8 string . Chino has always added the melodic and "pretty" sounding chords to their guitar work.. He loves major 7 and add 9 chords and bends a lot of his notes which adds that dynamic feeling in his licks/ riffs; even though his skill level is rather intermediate on the guitar, he still adds that essential ingredient to Deftones sound after ATF.
I believe that both Chino and Stephen don't really understand their music theory on a lot of the songs they create, but they always seem to make it work very well. Chino said they focused even more on the song structure this record so I'm hoping for a White Pony II (lulz) or better.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah your right about the theory thing, I've seen interviews were they are asked about how they write with an 8 and a 6 in different tunings and there's theory behind it they just play until something sounds good, I actually like that though I think when someone has alot of theory knowledge it can lock them in a bit because they have all these rules they feel they should be following.

As for the song structure thing I'm guessing they're talking about the song going places you wouldn't expect as in building up but then going super quiet, I remember them talking about how going into WP they decided to make an effort to do something different which they also seem to be striving for this time around, so it's seems it could be a kind of a spiritual successor to WP, whether it'll be good is unknown at this point but I thinks it's pretty cool their still pushing themselves to mix it up.

[Diplo]

Don't hope so much guys, since SNW, there is nothing really creative or original. Even songs like we have on KNY (Romantic Dreams) where we can find some improvements, the song is boring and nothing works like a Digital Bath.

I just hope they will go really out of what they have done before, make the surprise and that's it.

[deftoner664]

^To be fair, I thought Rosemary was a good leap forward in the song writing.

Stephen just needs to utilize his 8 string a bit more and try to experiment with bigger and complex chords rather than relying on power chords or just the lowest 8th an 7th string root notes all the time, although he has written a ton of bad ass stuff with this formula...

I feel like the quick work ethic they developed since Diamond Eyes can enable Stephen and the other guys (except for Abe) to be a bit lazy/complacent with some elements of the songs. Of course I know studio time is very expensive, but maybe if they didn't rush the writing process like they have with the past couple records we might have one of the best Deftones records to date. Who knows, maybe they have some songs on this record they've had up their sleeves or have been crafting for awhile...

[N0S3BLEED976]

Come on man, Stephen already stepped up his game with his 8 string on Koi No Yokan. You're talking like you want him to actually shred or play these lame-ass metal licks, like every other generic metal band. Besides, he uses his higher strings quite often, as evident on songs like Smile, WHTY?, Beauty School, etc.

[deftoner664]

I was pretty proud to hear that he took on a solo on that song Dallas from the Eros session... it'd be cool to get something different is really all I'm trying to say from his past formula. Shred isn't what I envisioned either lol. I don't think he downgraded on KNY  but he didn't go over the top either.