Chinos Vocal Style On Koi No Yokan

[Slacker]

am i the only who catched the straight up helmet reference in goon squad's chorus?

it is very explicit, once you embrace it. it all makes sense, and it becomes less odd.

you could make a case for it in romantic dreams too.

for the younger fans this will probably make no sense, but for the more seasoned fans.... suddenly it all makes sense.

[beansandcornbread]

My brother's been giving me shit about Chino's live vocals (being off-key, generally) to the point of him all but saying that they were a fake poser band for not being able to play perfectly live. ("When a band can't play their stuff, it's just fake to me", "It's okay if the sound isn't spot on, but if they don't get all the notes, I can't respect that", etc.)

It pisses me off that if he walks in the room when I'm enjoying one of their performances that I end up having to go on the defensive for half an hour while he goes on about how they sound.

Sorry, just needed to vent, and this kind of thing isn't too far removed from the discussion, I suppose.

Simple, your brother is wrong.  He just doesn't get it.  Tell him to go listen to the Eagles if he wants the exact same experience as the studio.  Furthermore, if a band isn't going over and above their capabilities in the studio then they are shortchanging everybody including themselves. 

[BillyNo.9]

am i the only who catched the straight up helmet reference in goon squad's chorus?

it is very explicit, once you embrace it. it all makes sense, and it becomes less odd.

you could make a case for it in romantic dreams too.

for the younger fans this will probably make no sense, but for the more seasoned fans.... suddenly it all makes sense.

Other than sounding like the chorus to Wilma's Rainbow?

[Playhouse]

I think chino can still sing, I mean check out gauze, its pretty much flawless and he hits his old trusted high note like a boss.

If you're talking about the higher note in the chorus, keep in mind it's all falsetto and not an actual full voice note, unlike Digital Bath, Birthmark, Bored, Beware, etc.

Beware is with falsetto and i knew that

Yeah thats what i thought aswell. Apparently its not according to V.

[alvarezbassist17]

I really don't follow this discussion.  Both sides are talking about two completely different things.  Clearly he can't hit the same notes he used to (to Vesanic's points about falsetto), but those who defend him (the reasonable ones who have also recognized that his vocals have changed) are asking whether we should care. 

Count me in the latter camp.  I obviously haven't put in the same amount of time on KNY as the rest of their discs, but I still think he's throwing down some sick, albeit different, vocals, melodically and otherwise.

Vesanic, is the seemingly implied subtext to your argument that he needs coaching on his technique in some capacity, which might make him sound like he did back in the 90s?  To me, it just sounds like he's getting old/fucked his shit up back in the day so he can't write the same kind of melodies.  Although, to counter myself, when I saw them on their last tour he sounded a lot better than when I saw them in '03.

[DeftonesNZ]

I agree he doesn't sound like he used but i also think he's not trying to sound like he used

[Playhouse]

I really don't follow this discussion.  Both sides are talking about two completely different things.  Clearly he can't hit the same notes he used to (to Vesanic's points about falsetto), but those who defend him (the reasonable ones who have also recognized that his vocals have changed) are asking whether we should care. 

Count me in the latter camp.  I obviously haven't put in the same amount of time on KNY as the rest of their discs, but I still think he's throwing down some sick, albeit different, vocals, melodically and otherwise.

Vesanic, is the seemingly implied subtext to your argument that he needs coaching on his technique in some capacity, which might make him sound like he did back in the 90s?  To me, it just sounds like he's getting old/fucked his shit up back in the day so he can't write the same kind of melodies.  Although, to counter myself, when I saw them on their last tour he sounded a lot better than when I saw them in '03.

The fact that he is old, fucked his shit up, is not the reason for the change in melody style.
If he wanted to write melodies that are similar to the Self titled/fur/WP days, he would be able to do that shit with his eyes closed.
I believe it's purely just him wanting to go in a different direction/style. And thats all it is.

[alvarezbassist17]

Yeah, that was my bad; that's not what I meant to write at all.  Change "can't write the same kind of melodies" to "can't hit the same notes with his full voice."

[Playhouse]

Yeah, that was my bad; that's not what I meant to write at all.  Change "can't write the same kind of melodies" to "can't hit the same notes with his full voice."

Oh right yeah i agree haha

[durtysanch]

falling in love and KNY captures those experiences and moments where ATF and WP didn't.

I don't want to be a bitch or anything, but check out BQAD, Rx Queen, Teenager.

Otherwise I agree.

I see your point, those are love songs i guess. But only IMO in a disconnected youthful lust type of way in my opinion. Not like someone that is head over heels all in for someone for forever and knows that what they want. More in a sort of " I would mind if you stayed way". More of a you will do way"

BQAD- I dressed you in her clothes now drive far away. Sounds like he's reflecting on a past real love that didnt work out and settling for the current girl.

RX Queen-  Your my girl and thats alright, if you stay with me I wont mind.

Teenager - i see a breakup in that song, He did really have emotion for her but he is singing about a PAST love.


In KNY there is powerful present deep emotional love in the songs.

I wish this night would never end

stay with me as we sail...

I cant stop what you started

the stage is yours

the sky is falling down this night belongs to you.

I'm on fire....on fire.

But its not black and white, maybe its just my interpretation of things.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah teenager was about the first time he got his heart broken when he was a teen hence the "New cavity moved into my heart today" as for their others songs like mascara i think they talk about a more true love not just teenage love where everyones the one until the next one lol it's that more mature love of seeing someone's flaws and accepting them anyway

[durtysanch]

Yeah teenager was about the first time he got his heart broken when he was a teen hence the "New cavity moved into my heart today" as for their others songs like mascara i think they talk about a more true love not just teenage love where everyones the one until the next one lol it's that more mature love of seeing someone's flaws and accepting them anyway

Im pretty sure Mascara was about his Ex wife about the time they were splitting. Plus looks at the lyrics," i hate your tatoos..., i'll keep you.. well it's too bad you're married to me". All of ATF and White pony seem to me about the angst of broken relationships or relationships going sour rather than a present true love as we see with KNY. maybe i am wrong.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah teenager was about the first time he got his heart broken when he was a teen hence the "New cavity moved into my heart today" as for their others songs like mascara i think they talk about a more true love not just teenage love where everyones the one until the next one lol it's that more mature love of seeing someone's flaws and accepting them anyway

Im pretty sure Mascara was about his Ex wife about the time they were splitting. Plus looks at the lyrics," i hate your tatoos..., i'll keep you.. well it's too bad you're married to me". All of ATF and White pony seem to me about the angst of broken relationships or relationships going sour rather than a present true love as we see with KNY. maybe i am wrong.

Deftones - Mascara + Interview Chino (Lola Da Musica) (Part 5)

[Defrichtones]

Word Mascara came from the  deepest depth.

[Gee]

Yeah teenager was about the first time he got his heart broken when he was a teen hence the "New cavity moved into my heart today" as for their others songs like mascara i think they talk about a more true love not just teenage love where everyones the one until the next one lol it's that more mature love of seeing someone's flaws and accepting them anyway

Im pretty sure Mascara was about his Ex wife about the time they were splitting. Plus looks at the lyrics," i hate your tatoos..., i'll keep you.. well it's too bad you're married to me". All of ATF and White pony seem to me about the angst of broken relationships or relationships going sour rather than a present true love as we see with KNY. maybe i am wrong.

Deftones - Mascara + Interview Chino (Lola Da Musica) (Part 5)

This is heart-breaking. I'm glad I saw this.

[Slacker]

am i the only who catched the straight up helmet reference in goon squad's chorus?

it is very explicit, once you embrace it. it all makes sense, and it becomes less odd.

you could make a case for it in romantic dreams too.

for the younger fans this will probably make no sense, but for the more seasoned fans.... suddenly it all makes sense.

Other than sounding like the chorus to Wilma's Rainbow?

mmm not the best sample, im trying to find the right song for my referal. give some time.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah teenager was about the first time he got his heart broken when he was a teen hence the "New cavity moved into my heart today" as for their others songs like mascara i think they talk about a more true love not just teenage love where everyones the one until the next one lol it's that more mature love of seeing someone's flaws and accepting them anyway

Im pretty sure Mascara was about his Ex wife about the time they were splitting. Plus looks at the lyrics," i hate your tatoos..., i'll keep you.. well it's too bad you're married to me". All of ATF and White pony seem to me about the angst of broken relationships or relationships going sour rather than a present true love as we see with KNY. maybe i am wrong.

Deftones - Mascara + Interview Chino (Lola Da Musica) (Part 5)

This is heart-breaking. I'm glad I saw this.

Yeah it's really heartfelt, it's especially sad at the end when he says she's going to be with him when he grows old knowing they broke up already

[ToneDef]

This discussion got kinda stupid. It's not an attack or defense of his voice in general. I just don't wanna be hearing somebody trying to do something they simply cannot do on a studio recorded album. It's not about his style or that he doesn't scream so much. If I want that I'll put on an older record. I just don't think he has the voice to do what he's trying to do. His singing on the record sounds better now I've listened to it lots. But there's the odd moment on it that sounds straight up embarrassing, and that shouldn't happen on record.

[bewareofrats]

I think Chino's vocals on this record have grown on me quite a bit.

[DeftonesNZ]

Chino's never been perfect it's not his style but he's still my favourite vocalist he sounds very good on KNY