Chinos Vocal Style On Koi No Yokan

[pony_01]

shouting is lot more cooler than screaming i think.

[godin]

I also don't listen to a lot of screaming music. Deftones are pretty much as heavy as it gets for me (along with 1 or 2 other bands)

[from_musings]

the scream in graphic nature at 2:04 with a lot of echo is a very nice little touch i think. loving it

[Jerry_Curls]

When i first heard WP from the first track i noticed his voice had changed a fair bit since ATF... IMO

exactly! I'd actually go as far to say that every single album he sounds much different, yet still Chino. ATF compared to Adrenaline is the same. Self Titled to White Pony. SNW to Self Titled, etc etc

Great example would be Jacob Bannon from Converge.

When Forever Comes Crashing and Jane Doe he uses his higher pitch, cat screeching. Then with You Fail Me it still sounds scratchy and fucking evil, but its lower at this point. He starts shouting more (which is my favorite) like on the track "Last Light". Then the all out assault of No Heroes was released. Here he sounds like a different person compared to their earlier work. Super grimy and low. Then his shouting on "Lonewolves" is awesome. So different from their whole catalogue. Reminds me of this band The Kinison...kind of bratty, punk, hardcore vocals. With Axe to Fall we're treated (or I am) with his shouty vocals again. Music is totally different. Way more tech-metal and clean sounding. The vocals on the other hand get even DEEPER. All We Love We Leave Behind was released last month and it features more shouting than before. The music [just like KNY] sound like a mixture of all their records before. It's clean, but not TOO clean.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that great bands change with every record. These bands have been around for 20 years or so. Things like screaming your lungs out every night and smoking and other shit does damage, but we are still blessed with their art. I'll take what I can get. New Chongo singing isn't anything horrible. It's just new and you'll get used to it.

[White Wrist]

I don´t like it.

I miss the old Chino style.

[Rally Sweat]

The meat has completely dropped out of his voice - the last time it sounded totally healthy was ST - it's inevitable, as quite a few people have said. I think this is why he's become so prolific of late - he sees the end of his voice so he's getting busy. People get quite practical under those kinds of circumstances. He's really developed his craft though. There's a lot of brilliant flourishes, and I fucking love everything he does on Tempest (except for that shrill, strangulated scream). Now might be the time to cut back on those 'woo's though! After 'Hole in the Earth' and 'Rocket Skates' they've become a bit token.

[ToneDef]

The point obviously isn't the band and Chino evolving their sound. Of course they're gonna change with each record. They're known for always moving forward. That's a good thing. The point is whether his vocals on this record sound good. The more I listen, the more I like how it sounds. I wasn't so sure at first. But there's still that element of whether he's pushing himself to do things he simply can't pull off, and does it show on record.

[ToneDef]

Something I am sure of, however, is that I would love them to work with Terry Date again. That's obviously not to say I'd like them to regress. You look at the transition of their sound from Adrenaline to Deftones and it's a huge leap. They've always changed with every record. But as far as the actual production and the quality of song writing, he brought out the best in them in my opinion.

I have never in my life heard a drum sound as good as Abe's sounds on White Pony. It's the best I've ever heard. The kick is so punchy, the snare has a real crack to it. The hi-hats sound fantastic in songs like Digital Bath. The intro to that song alone is sex, what with the way the drums sound and the linear hi-hat pattern.

If I were to choose yet another producer I'd suggest Billy Howerdel from A Perfect Circle. He's very talented, with the quality of sounds he captures. It's very textured. Thirteenth Step is very well produced and with the Deftones' current sound, it'd be a perfect fit. Very dynamic. The last two records, whilst sounding great, just haven't been quite as clean or distinctive enough for my tastes. Among the reasons White Pony is considered such a classic is it's sound. It's so clean. Almost shiny metallic. Everything cuts through. It's amazing.

[DeftonesNZ]

I somewhat believe Terry Date might do a better job production wise but as far as their sound goes i don't think it would change they've said lots Terry didn't give feedback or pitch ideas that much and he wasn't present during the writing process like Nick has been but i think if they went back to Terry they would do an album that would sound like an album done with Nick only it would take longer. Nick doesn't make the music the guys do he just helps them focus changing to Terry wouldn't change the music back it would just change the time it takes to get the same result.

[Bza々]

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I'm with you 110%. I prefer Chino's voice on WP & ST to everything else. White Pony is and will always be their best music. I've been saying that since day 1. Chino will never again make some shit as moving as the boy's republic, korea, pink maggit, that whole fucking record.

On some of the newer songs Chino's trying too hard to be a traditional singer. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but with all the illuminati bullshit in their new albums and the more commercialized sound of their music I'd say they've been bought out. Regardless, they'll always be #1 to me.

I'm listening to Ice Ache as I type this, shit is perfectly dark and pwns the fuck out of 2012 chino.

[DAFTPUNK87]

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Good call Terry!

[DeftonesNZ]

I think they mean in terms of writing some stuff they said Terry would just leave them to it and they'd end up getting nothing where as Nick pays attention to everything and interacts with them more and gives feedback they say he thinks about everything from that day and then at the next session he comes in with ideas already.

[ToneDef]

I somewhat believe Terry Date might do a better job production wise but as far as their sound goes i don't think it would change they've said lots Terry didn't give feedback or pitch ideas that much and he wasn't present during the writing process like Nick has been but i think if they went back to Terry they would do an album that would sound like an album done with Nick only it would take longer. Nick doesn't make the music the guys do he just helps them focus changing to Terry wouldn't change the music back it would just change the time it takes to get the same result.

I don't think that's the case. I don't want them to change the music back. I just think Terry gives them a better sound. The production on the albums produced by him is far superior to the ones where it isn't. And if he didn't get involved in the writing process, that's fine with me too. Any band that can write the albums they did that he produced can write some pretty good fucking songs. He records them so well. I don't care if it takes them two years or five. Sonically he gets better results.

[DeftonesNZ]

I somewhat believe Terry Date might do a better job production wise but as far as their sound goes i don't think it would change they've said lots Terry didn't give feedback or pitch ideas that much and he wasn't present during the writing process like Nick has been but i think if they went back to Terry they would do an album that would sound like an album done with Nick only it would take longer. Nick doesn't make the music the guys do he just helps them focus changing to Terry wouldn't change the music back it would just change the time it takes to get the same result.

I don't think that's the case. I don't want them to change the music back. I just think Terry gives them a better sound. The production on the albums produced by him is far superior to the ones where it isn't. And if he didn't get involved in the writing process, that's fine with me too. Any band that can write the albums they did that he produced can write some pretty good fucking songs. He records them so well. I don't care if it takes them two years or five. Sonically he gets better results.

I fully agree Terry Date knows how to record Deftones music my whole point was if they went back with Terry they wouldn't change the style of the music to what it use to be .(When i said sound i was talking about the style of music not the literal production)

[DeftonesNZ]

I would also like to see what they would come up with it they were left to their own devices but i don't think that affects the tone of their music i think  that's mainly to do with their personal life's their all pretty happy at the moment and they said Chi's accident has really made them appreciate what they have so the music has a very positive vibe.I would love another album like S/T but i just don't think their in the state of mind regardless of producer to write music like that anymore

[Sett]

I have to admit that when I heard Leathers for first time I thought that the "everything inside show" part was sung by Sergio

[Playhouse]

... Deftones" deal.

I wonder if Eros has the old chino style? Maybe its the last album with that unfocused dirty magic.

[from_musings]

The meat has completely dropped out of his voice - the last time it sounded totally healthy was ST - it's inevitable, as quite a few people have said. I think this is why he's become so prolific of late - he sees the end of his voice so he's getting busy. People get quite practical under those kinds of circumstances.

i think you're right. i didn't like the abundance of side projects and collabs before but i understand that he gotta make hay while the sun shines.

[beaverwithfishyshoes]

his voice is like at least 50% of what makes this band so this thread is an idiot

[UrZ*]

U guys all talking out of ur ass(es)..

WP, S/T, SNW we're all 0 procent spontaneity... Everything Chino did he 2nd guessed (he said so himself)..

D/E and KNY are way more natural records in this respect.

I'm not saying one way of makin songs is better than the other..

edit: he even 2nd guessed guitars/structures from other bandmembers.. Remember how he 'butchered' Mein?..