Koi No Yokan thread

[nineteen]

It really is an album that needs many listens. Just give it time!

[Slacker]

I can confirm this record is worse than s/t.

i couldnt say "worse", but i think i like ST better.

[chuckles]

I can confirm this record is worse than s/t.

dude, nice news, i will burn all my kny copies, thank you.

Mucho mas superior..

[jbmp1390]

S/T is a fucking masterpiece.

[Sekuro7074]

i think koi no yokan is the best record they have. Each record since White Pony has progressively gotten better in one way or another, i think.

White Pony - very unfocused and thin. The presence of Rodleen Gatsic (i might have spelled that wrong) and Maynard James Keenan gave it variety, but it did mark the introduction of all those tones and atmospheric details they put in their music. Frank is a beast. Feiticeira gathers Incubus, System of a Down and Tool, shuts out the lights and commences a major beat down, teaching them all a lesson.

Deftones - i thought was way more focused than White Pony. Lacked really strong tracks though. Needles and Pins just has a sound that no other band will ever achieve. "Heavier" than When the Levee Breaks. Abe owns this album through and through.

Saturday Night Wrist - I think this album is their most tortured. The band was really scattered and it seemed like five separate musicians working on it than a single band. Certain tracks totally changed the playing field for the band. Cherry Waves and Rats!Rats!Rats! are evolutionary sound in their catalog. I think Saturday Night Wrist would have sold millions if Cherry Waves were the first single.

Diamond Eyes - I love Chi, but Sergio stepped in and killed it on this album. The band is more focused and fluent in this album. The cohesion that was lost in the previous two albums is there in full effect. Chino is so imaginative on this record. Butcher and Risk are dizzying with his melodies. The opening track was a kick in the chest the first time I heard it.

Koi No Yokan - even more focused than Diamond Eyes with Sergio escaping and playing melodies that make Stephe's job so much more fun. Chino's vocal performance kicks the shit out of anything he's ever done before, just the first song alone does this. What happened to you? is the best closer they have.

[bewareofrats]

I am glad Entombed is on this album because it needs at least one chilled, laid back song from start to finish and it's the only one on KNY quite like it.  I have been paying attention to some of the lyrics lately and I think they're making the song more affecting.

I like that this album has such a good balance and variety done very well.

[the deft ones]

White Pony - very unfocused and thin.

Huh?
You lost me there mate...

[Electron§]

For me personally, White Pony and S/T fit perfectly with each other. Two great tastes that taste great together.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

i think koi no yokan is the best record they have. Each record since White Pony has progressively gotten better in one way or another, i think.

White Pony - very unfocused and thin. The presence of Rodleen Gatsic (i might have spelled that wrong) and Maynard James Keenan gave it variety, but it did mark the introduction of all those tones and atmospheric details they put in their music. Frank is a beast. Feiticeira gathers Incubus, System of a Down and Tool, shuts out the lights and commences a major beat down, teaching them all a lesson.

Deftones - i thought was way more focused than White Pony. Lacked really strong tracks though. Needles and Pins just has a sound that no other band will ever achieve. "Heavier" than When the Levee Breaks. Abe owns this album through and through.

Saturday Night Wrist - I think this album is their most tortured. The band was really scattered and it seemed like five separate musicians working on it than a single band. Certain tracks totally changed the playing field for the band. Cherry Waves and Rats!Rats!Rats! are evolutionary sound in their catalog. I think Saturday Night Wrist would have sold millions if Cherry Waves were the first single.

Diamond Eyes - I love Chi, but Sergio stepped in and killed it on this album. The band is more focused and fluent in this album. The cohesion that was lost in the previous two albums is there in full effect. Chino is so imaginative on this record. Butcher and Risk are dizzying with his melodies. The opening track was a kick in the chest the first time I heard it.

Koi No Yokan - even more focused than Diamond Eyes with Sergio escaping and playing melodies that make Stephe's job so much more fun. Chino's vocal performance kicks the shit out of anything he's ever done before, just the first song alone does this. What happened to you? is the best closer they have.

I see where you're coming from.  I don't full agree that the tracks themselves are as good as they went along, but as far as the album in its entirety I can agree with you.  For instance S/T has my absolute favorite songs on it, yet at the same time has some real throwaways and doesn't seem to flow as well as KNY does.  KNY is their most complete album to date, easily.

Also agree on the Rats!Rats!Rats! and Cherry Waves issue, it's almost as if those 2 songs are the template for everything they've done since.

The major difference, I think, is that now they're putting a lot more effort into their music and taking it more seriously while still having fun.  I will always love their older stuff the best and consider S/T and SNW their best albums but I just imagine if they had the mindset they do now back then what they may have accomplished, as that time period was very tumultuous for them...  God only knows, I guess.

[Gee]

S/T [...] doesn't seem to flow as well as KNY does.  KNY is their most complete album to date, easily.

I highly disagree. KNY is a very good album (time will say if it's a great one) but there's no way it can approach the coherence and solidity of the S/T. In terms of production it was their most coherent effort, it holds the same guitar and drums sound from track 1 to 11. Even WP didn't quite have that -and it was already great on that aspect.

Honestly, who could say without a doubt that you wouldn't move any song around on KNY ? People actually made topics for that. I have my doubts about Entombed following Poltergeist, Rosemary being where it is, and even worse, Romantic Dreams being the second track. Their earlier stuff (pre-SNW) didn't have that problem. WP flows perfectly in its variety. S/T is more massive, feels more like a book with different chapters of the same story.

Again, an opinion.

[DeftonesNZ]

i'd say KNY is more coherent ,S/T could never be that coherent because of the experimental stuff like Lucky You or the piano based tracks like Anniversary I think it could have been helped by ordering the songs differently but you just can't get the same coherence with different genres like that,that being said S/T is an amazing album and hasn't been hurt at all the slight incoherence.

[fireflyry]

It's ALL semantics and opinion.....but is'nt that why forums exist?It's fun to discuss such things.

To chuck my 2 cents into this off-topic tangent.KNY is the most coherent album I've heard from this band. There is no Elite. Mascara or Lucky You.It is pretty formulaic and cohesive if you look at it musically and historically.Personally that's not a gripe.They could release an album of drunken farts and it would probably be better than the top 20 on the Billboard charts, and yet as a fan there are no surprises to be found here.

First Deftones album I've ever experienced a lack of "wtf.....that's different..." on a track or two.

White Pony - very unfocused and thin.

Huh?
You lost me there mate...

Me too.I can't really respond to such an opinion.

[DeftonesNZ]

I wasn't surprised by much either but I think personally it has lot to do with the side projects like Team Sleep and Crosses I think they have sort of got me used to hearing Chino on more unorthodox tracks like What Happened To You?

[fireflyry]

That's a valid point.

I too was questioning whether it's the music or the listener.Maybe I'm at fault as a listener, maybe after so long listening to the band it's me who has changed which is justifiable to my personal critique but not so towards the actual music and album.

I would LOVE to have a machine I could hop into, totally erase any memory of the Deftones and their music, then step out and be played this album.I freely admit that when it comes to this band I am more critical/analytic than I am am towards any other based on little more than my love and familiarity of their music.They have also been my favorite band since they released that 84 album of fart sounds.

In saying that has to be taken into account I guess.

I have to admit I struggled with SNW when first released and I'm still of the opinion any serious comment on a Deftones album is pretty invalid in the first six months after release.Mine included.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Anyone else think the album would have been slightly better with WHTY and Entombed flipped around?  If you have it on your computer, switch the 2 and listen.  Makes perfect sense, and the end of Entombed has such a feeling of "finality." As opposed to WHTY which just sort of.. ends.

[DeftonesNZ]

I think it could work but I like the way it is,When the intro of WHTY? comes in I sort of get the feeling it's the beginning of the end it sort of starts winding the album down and works well as a closer.

[bangbang240]

I am glad Entombed is on this album because it needs at least one chilled, laid back song from start to finish and it's the only one on KNY quite like it.  I have been paying attention to some of the lyrics lately and I think they're making the song more affecting.

I like that this album has such a good balance and variety done very well.

I totally agree.. I never would have thought it but Entombed has slowly become my favorite track along with WHTY?. The more I listen the more I love those songs. I especially like the synth/guitar harmonies at the end of Entombed; sounds unlike any other deftones sound I have heard.

[Corleone]

I wish the entire album sounded like the end of entombed.

[from_musings]

I am glad Entombed is on this album because it needs at least one chilled, laid back song from start to finish

agree, too bad it isn't better

[godin]

I like having WHTY at the end. although it doesn't have some grand epic ending, It has cool atmosphere that rings out. At least for me, it make a big impact as an album closer