Koi No Yokan thread

[iateyourmom]

Are there going to be any remixes for this album? i hope some extras come out

[DeftonesNZ]

Maybe Sol Invicto will do one?

[iateyourmom]

That would be cool, they did great remixes of youv seen the butcher and diamond eyes

[sing blue silver]

Comparing KNY to past deftones records is ridiculous. I hear maybe some vague hints of SNW and an obvious progression of what started on DE but I love this album because it sounds like nothing they've done before. I don't really get the relentless bashing but the blind appraisal of this album is equally obnoxious. It does have weak moments. It's not masterpiece or a career defining album. It's a very good album that I'm enjoying but Swerve City is fucking garbage and Tempest is a yawn fest. This doesn't make it a bad album though. At least they're trying new things. It's not gonna hit for everyone and this happens with every album but I love it even though Swerve City is one of the worst Deftones songs ever.

[Bifrost]

KNY is above S/T for me. S/T has some great songs but it never felt like a cohesive album. KNY may be less heavy and possibly even more simple than past efforts but at the very least it is flowing and cohesive.

I agree, S/T has some great moments but a lot of yawns in between... to me that album is about Stef really exploring his seven string and going super low(which eventually wouldnt be low enough) his style starts to change from the riff driven to the wall of sound ala Meshuggah style... Chino has some great vocals but some of them are very slurry and bland as well, its not a very dynamic record... not a lot of riffs; feels kinda like a half ass record, you can tell they werent super inspired when writing it, and that was when they decided to part with Terry Date...

[Bifrost]

I don't get the comparisons either ,I hate it when people feel the need to compare it to something,although i sometimes do it myself lol mainly to try describe it to someone but with Deftones you usually have to combine a couple of albums to create something close and even then that still doesn't cover it.

Issues since WP:

Stefs super low guitar, which sometimes feels like a big syrupy synth sound rather than an actual guitar, which sucks.

Chino once had full command of his voice and could still sing aggressively and scream normally and transition between the two with ease, gone are those days.

Abe ditching the tight snare drum sound, he's gone for a more fuller sound now, which doesnt cut through the mix as much.

Lyrics going from abstract to literal

General overall move towards a more commercial sound (Chino takes credit for this)

All that said, I still love having new Deftones records.

I think your spot on... the bottom line is that the band themselves have changed and gone in this direction, they could work with any producer they want, they chose Nick, they like this style...

if I could make one change I would want Stef to go back to 6 strings, I think his style was just a lot cooler then but its pretty obvious that aint gonna happen

[chuckles]

Comparing KNY to past deftones records is ridiculous.

[GrandeJano]

Issues since WP:


Abe ditching the tight snare drum sound, he's gone for a more fuller sound now, which doesnt cut through the mix as much.

SNW & DE have that bad (compared to earlier days) snare sound, but kny definitely not. Just listen to the first snare hits on the record and dont tell me those dont sound tight.

[DeftonesNZ]

Issues since WP:


Abe ditching the tight snare drum sound, he's gone for a more fuller sound now, which doesnt cut through the mix as much.

SNW & DE have that bad (compared to earlier days) snare sound, but kny definitely not. Just listen to the first snare hits on the record and dont tell me those dont sound tight.

I agree that was one of the first things i noticed from the samples that were posted ,Abe snare and overall sound is alot better than DE

[cvthedrv]

my kny limited bundle came without the litho, im a little sad right now

[chuckles]

my kny limited bundle came without the litho, im a little sad right now

Haha.. I still don't have the cd & the shirt.. Just the litho & no response from WB..

[Electron§]

KNY is above S/T for me. S/T has some great songs but it never felt like a cohesive album. KNY may be less heavy and possibly even more simple than past efforts but at the very least it is flowing and cohesive.

I don't see how you think S/T is not cohesive. All the songs sound very much in the same style, "Good Morning Beautiful" and "Moana" I think even are TOO similar (but lyrically opposites, the former being more of a warning, the latter having kind of a stalkerish vibe). I understand that a song like "Anniversary of an Uninteresting Event" seems like it would never end up on the same album as "Lucky You", but as I mentioned before, the tone of the whole album is consistent to where the different and contradicting moods conveyed in each song still make senses and form a retrospectively VERY well written, cohesive album. Deftones are after all about dynamics, how can you expect an album to have a perfect flow?

KNY to me has too many fail songs to surpass any of their past work. Even the good moments on the album have never given me the same feelings I got when I first listened to a majority of their past works. I honestly think its the worst album they've released. And I thought Diamond Eyes was bad O_O. But the difference between KNY and Diamond Eyes is that, Diamond Eyes is still a decent album, its big problem is that its tone doesn't sound like typical Deftones and I would probably think more highly of it if it was not released by Deftones because I constantly compare it to the old stuff and that spoils it for me.... on the other hand, KNY just would suck to me, Deftones or not....

But... to each is own. 

not a lot of riffs; feels kinda like a half ass record, you can tell they werent super inspired when writing it, and that was when they decided to part with Terry Date...

Not a lot of riffs??!? Bullshit, my good man. Every song has multiple riffs or at least cool variations on the main riff. Not to mention these may be the best riffs in Deftones career. "Battle Axe"? The riff during the outro of "When Girls Telephone Boys"? "Needles and Pins"? "Bloody Cape"? C'mon man. All of these songs have bad ass riffs.

But, I do see what you mean in a way. Something seems exhausted or uninspired about the album, because it does have a droning aspect to its sound, but I still love it, and when it shines, it shines into places I could never avoid getting chills from.

[DeftonesNZ]

That's guys right there aren't alot of riffs I play those songs on guitar the Riffs are super repetitive and not that complex all the songs basically have 2 or 3 riffs sometimes they might have a very slight variation but they sound awesome so it doesn't matter ,Also Stephen hasn't really written the more complex stuff since Adrenaline but he's mastered the creation of simple bad ass riffs, I love his style it's simple and really fun to play

[Electron§]

That's guys right there aren't alot of riffs I play those songs on guitar the Riffs are super repetitive and not that complex all the songs basically have 2 or 3 riffs sometimes they might have a very slight variation but they sound awesome so it doesn't matter ,Also Stephen hasn't really written the more complex stuff since Adrenaline but he's mastered the creation of simple bad ass riffs, I love his style it's simple and really fun to play

I wouldn't say super repetitive, the pacing of each song is pretty nuanced to me, non of it is too fast or slow. It doesn't matter how many times Steph plays the same thing, just as long as the timing sounds correct and creates a good rhythm.

And I wouldn't really say Adrenaline was complex, it sounds more like a beginners attempt at sounding complex, but its still good. Not putting it down or anything by saying that, but non of it is very technical, its just his utilization of screeches and strange riff patterns.

[DeftonesNZ]

I was talking about the riff's themselves like it's one chord repeated and then another chord repeated like in bloody cape, Adrenaline is more complex compared to the other stuff I don't know where the screeches are that you talked about but the riffs are less repetitive as in the chord changes more often

[Electron§]

I don't know where the screeches are that you talked about

"Nosebleed", "Minus Blindfold", "Fireal", etc.

[DeftonesNZ]

Oh do you mean harmonics?

[cvthedrv]

my kny limited bundle came without the litho, im a little sad right now

Haha.. I still don't have the cd & the shirt.. Just the litho & no response from WB..

:0 but the litho and the cd + tshirt came separately?, in different shippings?

[Corleone]

I have no more urges to listen to this album.

[Inkblades]

Sadly, I agree. I blasted Diamond Eyes non-stop when it came out. This? Not so much.

There's something about Koi No Yokan that just makes me want to resist it. It's weird, because on paper, I should love this album. Every song has interesting things going on it. But, for some reason, it just bores me. Maybe I'm just growing out of them?

I think even Deftones are a little bored with Deftones. That's why they released a new album less than a month ago and aren't even touring until Feb 2013.