Koi No Yokan thread

[bewareofrats]

It is definitely not as emotionally grabbing or stimulating as SNW but I think this record very well is better than DE.

[deafnotes]

Chino Moreno:

1995:
"I want to be much then more while I watch you."

1997:
"There's something about her long shady eyes, I'm all about her shade tonight."

2000:
"You move like I want to, to see like your eyes do, we are downstairs where no one can see a new like breakaway."

2003:
"As soon as you came in, all the beasts went away."

2006:
"She haunts the roads. She waits for a new face. I'll cut your armies down and turn your heart."

...

2012:
"I promise to watch and raise your babies."

LOL.

2015

"your babies gave me rabies when i raised him and now they watch me in the hospital"

[Def Till End]

Lyrics are more simple and not in the "story telling" style with imagery but oh well still good. I don't like how lyrics are disconnected and don't paint a picture for you but a few songs on it do. Still miss the more "concept" type stuff of white pony.

[Jesus2Chino]

On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

I did forget to mention that, haha. I really enjoyed some of the intros and extended endings. I wish they would have fleshed those out as songs rather than add them to the songs that were already there. As their own thoughts, they're really interesting and different for them.

Much respect,
-Matt

[DeftonesNZ]

On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

I did forget to mention that, haha. I really enjoyed some of the intros and extended endings. I wish they would have fleshed those out as songs rather than add them to the songs that were already there. As their own thoughts, they're really interesting and different for them.

Much respect,
-Matt

Yeah i really loved how they joined the songs together using the little intro and outros some of them i wish had been used to make a whole song

[Caín]

i've never been a big fan of his lyrics. some cool phrases here and there - sure, but for me it always has been more about how he says/sings something, how he expresses himself, more than what he actually says/means

yeah, same goes for me. it might sound like I care a lot about the lyrics, but that's just the point - I don't. I just think it's kinda childish to hate on a song because it has a line you think is cheesy. I happen to think his nonsensical gibberish is a lot cheesier, not to mention all the rapping he used to indulge in. "I promise to watch and raise your babies" is one of the most mature and heartfelt things that have come out of Chino's mouth. but in the end, as long as it sounds good it's what matters. and the verses in Romantic Dreams sound fucking great.

I disagree 1000000%. Wow. Everything about this post is just wrong.

[DeftonesNZ]

There's a difference between abstract lyrics and incoherent lyrics when he used to make up words or make lines that weren't grammatically right it wasn't abstract it just didn't make sense.

[Vesanic]

I can only agree. I quoted Fireal thinking it was "Much, then more" but it's actually "Much than more" and that just doesn't make any sense. It's not like you could even guess something, "much than more" really doesn't mean anything, does it? I speak French so I can't say this for sure but I think so at least.

He says "This town don't feel mine" in Be Quiet and Drive, that's grammatically wrong as well but obviously we can make it out.

[Jacob]

He says "This town don't feel mine" in Be Quiet and Drive, that's grammatically wrong as well but obviously we can make it out.

that's different though, that's how some people speak. still doesn't make sense and is gramatically wrong, but call it slang or whatever.

one song where the lyrics really are a mess is 7 Words. the parts that do make sense are just silly.

[DeftonesNZ]

I can only agree. I quoted Fireal thinking it was "Much, then more" but it's actually "Much than more" and that just doesn't make any sense. It's not like you could even guess something, "much than more" really doesn't mean anything, does it? I speak French so I can't say this for sure but I think so at least.

He says "This town don't feel mine" in Be Quiet and Drive, that's grammatically wrong as well but obviously we can make it out.

"Much then more" makes sense like he saying he was good than he was better but "Much than more" doesn't make sense when using than you usually put less than or more than and then the subject. BQAD line is grammatically incorrect but it still makes sense it just sort of street talk, alot Chinos' early lyrics don't make sense like in Lotion "You're sticking out hardly and
Hoping money " i know Deftones lyrics are less abstract now but i think Chino is still capable of writing in that style Crosses lyrics are pretty abstract

[Vesanic]

still doesn't make sense

I honestly don't see how THAT doesn't make sense. He probably means he doesn't belong in this town and wants to go Far Away.

[DeftonesNZ]

I always just thought he meant "this town doesn't feel like mine" as in he doesn't feel he belongs so he wants to get away

[Vesanic]

"Much then more" makes sense like he saying he was good than he was better but "Much than more" doesn't make sense when using than you usually put less than or more than and then the subject. BQAD line is grammatically incorrect but it still makes sense it just sort of street talk, alot Chinos' early lyrics don't make sense like in Lotion "You're sticking out hardly and
Hoping money " i know Deftones lyrics are less abstract now but i think Chino is still capable of writing in that style Crosses lyrics are pretty abstract

I know "Much then more" makes sense, I was talking about the actual lyric, the "than" one. Thanks for the confirmation.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah i got that just giving my interpretation of the lyric, it's a shame it wasn't actually that i really like it

[Jacob]

still doesn't make sense

I honestly don't see how THAT doesn't make sense. He probably means he doesn't belong in this town and wants to go Far Away.

I just meant gramatically, worded it a bit badly.

[from_musings]

I know "Much then more" makes sense, I was talking about the actual lyric, the "than" one. Thanks for the confirmation.

i never analyzed his stuff too much but i always thought he felt he wanted to be "more" than the person he was when he watched a girl that was friggin awesome to him. be "more" so he could reach the same level of awesomness as the chic, like he's not feeling like he is/could be as good enough as a partner for her, like she deserved in his mind. but he does not just want to be more, he wants to be much more than "more".. like "i want to fly higher than higher" or "swin deeper than deeper" but he use the words a little oddly

[Vesanic]

still doesn't make sense

I honestly don't see how THAT doesn't make sense. He probably means he doesn't belong in this town and wants to go Far Away.

I just meant gramatically, worded it a bit badly.

Alright.

I know "Much then more" makes sense, I was talking about the actual lyric, the "than" one. Thanks for the confirmation.

i never analyzed his stuff too much but i always thought he felt he wanted to be "more" than the person he was when he watched a girl that was friggin awesome to him. be "more" so he could reach the same level of awesomness as the chic, like he's not feeling like he is/could be as good enough as a partner for her, like she deserved in his mind. but he does not just want to be more, he wants to be much more than "more".. like "i want to fly higher than higher" or "swin deeper than deeper" but he use the words a little oddly

Well of course, that was my take on it as well, but he sould have said "much, then more" to express he wanted to have an important place in her mind (much) but after that (then) he wanted to be even more. That would have made sense and I guess that was his idea but "much than more" just doesn't mean anything, period. He could have said "much more" (and he does say it a couple of times actually) or maybe even "more than much" (a bit far-fetched, grammatically, but I think it's correct?).


Fucking blah.

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah he used to sacrifice the lyrics making sense for how it sounded

[Slacker]

guys come on, really?

[from_musings]

"much than more" just doesn't mean anything, period.

well it still means what we talked about - to me. he tried to express a feeling and i received it, it hit home. it's not an english essay he handed in to a teacher. grammar is not everything. the grammar is probably top notch in "i promise to watch and raise your babies" but it looks more like something out of a dad blog than lyrics from a rock star