Koi No Yokan thread

[from_musings]

1995:
"I want to be much then more while I watch you."

it's actually "i want to be much THAN more" i hope it doesn't ruin anything for you

You're sure about that? I mean I see tons of "then" versions online, and I can't really see what "much than more" would mean.

from the adrenaline booklet

[from_musings]

I dont see what's so bad about the Romantic Dreams line compared to, for example, "I want to be just like you, then I'd be cool".

it's "I want to be just like you, then I'd be cool... maybe not" i think he's being sarcastic. you can still hate it of course but it's the opposite meaning of what you wrote

[sooniletugo]

The Romantic Dreams line isn't bad at all though. It's pretty effective and creepy if you ask me.

[Hidalgo]

alot of the lyrics people consider positive, i consider really sad/dark. like entombed, whty, beauty school, etc. if you've lost your true love forever those kinda lyrics are not so positive. so it's all about how people veiw the stuff. alot of the lyrics are just images & metaphoric & can't really be called positive or negative. i just like all different vibes, moods & lyrics from them. they're a good band & they write good tunes (that's how i see it. i don't demand a certain vibe or mood, otherwise they'd be H.I.M. writng the same song over & over, "heartache ooohh my heart")

and yes "gift" is incredible, & it's pretty uplifting

[DeftonesNZ]

I think a lot of it has to with Chi before his accident they looked at what was wrong with their lives now they appreciate every day knowing it could all end in an instant you might think it's oblivious and naive but i just think their seeing the magic of the small stuff people take for granted, stuff that Chi can't do any-more when you see someone going through something like that it's hard to complain any-more, I'm young also and it's something i hate about my generation beautiful things are hardly appreciated,young people are afraid to say something is beautiful instead everyone hops on the bandwagon and calls it gay and cheesy because it's not cool to say something is beautiful it's seen as a weakness

[DeftonesNZ]

Sometimes the biggest fans are also the biggest critics and i agree about it being absurd that some people will look to senior members for validation but you can't blame guys like V for being honest when asked and if there are people that will change their entire view of the band because he or someone else said they weren't good then they can fuck off anyway those people would have only stuck round until they discover their next "favourite band" in a couple of weeks.

[from_musings]

There's a large amount of ppl on who need his opinion to validate how they feel about Deftones which is also ridiculous

are you really sure about this? i mean it doesn't have to be ppl changing their own opinions bc of what V says, it could be ppl just agreeing on something he says bc they feel the same way? but if it's like you say on other forums, then it's really retarded. like "he posts a huge amout of videos on youtube, therefore his opinion on deftones must be the real to have no matter what i think on my own". but that's not really V's fault, you have to blame the ppl thinking like that

[Jacob]

1995:
"I want to be much then more while I watch you."

it's actually "i want to be much THAN more" i hope it doesn't ruin anything for you

You're sure about that? I mean I see tons of "then" versions online, and I can't really see what "much than more" would mean.

as I said, gibberish.

often nonsensical and even grammatically incorrect.

he can write amazing lyrics, but some of his old lyrics are kinda messy and just trying too hard to be cryptic.

the Romantic Dreams line (a well as the rest of the songs) is very straight forward and simple, but I think he shows that he can write such lyrics equally good. you can tell there's a lot of emotion behind it, he doesn't sing about love just for the sake of it.

one could actually do a similar list to yours but turn it around and show the less stellar lyrics from older albums and compare to some really poetic and immaginative lyrics from newer songs. but I can't be bothered right now.

[from_musings]

i've never been a big fan of his lyrics. some cool phrases here and there - sure, but for me it always has been more about how he says/sings something, how he expresses himself, more than what he actually says/means

[Jacob]

i've never been a big fan of his lyrics. some cool phrases here and there - sure, but for me it always has been more about how he says/sings something, how he expresses himself, more than what he actually says/means

yeah, same goes for me. it might sound like I care a lot about the lyrics, but that's just the point - I don't. I just think it's kinda childish to hate on a song because it has a line you think is cheesy. I happen to think his nonsensical gibberish is a lot cheesier, not to mention all the rapping he used to indulge in. "I promise to watch and raise your babies" is one of the most mature and heartfelt things that have come out of Chino's mouth. but in the end, as long as it sounds good it's what matters. and the verses in Romantic Dreams sound fucking great.

[sing blue silver]

I fucking love Romantic Dreams. Haters gonna hate.

[Gee]

I fucking love Romantic Dreams. Haters gonna hate.

People with different opinions gonna have different opinions.

I actually like the verses of Romantic Dreams. Which are wasted on the chorus, both lyrically and musically.

"I'm hypnotized by your name, I wish this night would never end".

Come on Chino.

[E-Money]

I love KNY.  I feel bad for you guys who aren't enjoying it.  Sucks to be u. 

[jciraheta]

I love KNY.  I feel bad for you guys who aren't enjoying it.  Sucks to be u.

i love it too , amazing album 

[Deftones-argentina]

Is it just me or does Swerve City sound like it could be a sort of homage to the band Swervedriver? That shoegazy verse part has a bassline that sounds a lot like the one in Swervedriver's own Duel. Listen here:


Swervedriver - Duel (HQ)


Thoughts?

wow, thank you for posting this song! I enjoyed it a lot. it's kind of a probability, I see the comparison you're making, PLUS swervedriver toured with Hum back in the day, which deftones are big fans of.

Sharing lungs always gives me some really cool stuff to hear

[Jesus2Chino]

Still feeling it out. I've never been so conflicted over a Deftones album before, lol.

I hate to say it, but for the most part I'm not digging the lyrics either. I actually think some of my inability to decide how I feel about the album was born form me reading the lyrics while listening to the album for the first time. At several points I couldn't focus on the music because I had obtuse feelings about the lyrics.

I actually really enjoy listening to the album however, and I find that I'm playing it constantly. It's a good listen for the most part and I keep coming back to listen more.

It does feel repetitious at several points, and some songs certainly suffer from monotonous structures and over-polished vocals. But I think my biggest disappointment when it comes to the record is  my lack of physical reaction to it. Upon my first listen I didn't get full-body chills, I didn't feel like jumping around and punching something, I didn't feel like crying or smiling or a whole lot of anything overwhelming. Deftones records have always been able to elicit physical responses from me, but Koi No Yokan didn't. I really wanted it too. Songs like Entombed had potential, but fell short for me in the long run. The first time I heard, "From the day you arrived, I've remained by your side. In chains, entombed..." I had great hopes. The lyrics were natural and sung in a heart-felt way. But those great qualities are hampered by too much repetition and polishing, and not enough organic emotion. Deftones records have always felt very organic to me as well, but Koi No Yokan didn't. I know for the most part Deftones have never had incredibly intricate song structures, but it never mattered because the organic and emotional structure of the songs never called for or needed intricacy. I completely understand that they are in a positive mindset, which makes me incredibly happy for them, but when raw and intense emotion (note I'm not saying NO emotion, just commenting on intensity) is absent or found in lesser quantities, I feel like the songs are calling out for compensation in the technical and/or structural departments, and Koi No Yokan isn't delivering there. 

Like I said, I still enjoy listening to the album, which is why I'm conflicted. It's a good record, but for none of the reasons that past Deftones records have been good for me. At the moment I can say with a certain degree of confidence that the album falls short of greatness, but I'll still enjoy listening to it. All I know is I still get goosebumps when I listen to their past work, even 15+ years later. Some of their songs, especially when I'm alone, are still capable of breaking me down and lifting me up--I just don't think KNY songs are going to do that for me, no matter how much I want them to.

I'm open to being surprised though, and I hope in time I will be.

Much respect,
-Matt

P.S. I actually like the line, "I promise to watch and raise your babies." It feels heartfelt and interesting to me.

[Gee]

Matt it was nice to read your post, more interesting than most of what we can read around here.

I kind of agree with you -the lyrics are sometimes disapointing- and I have to say I miss Terry Date's production especially for Chino's vocals. I generally feel that Chino sings higher notes than he used to, you don't get that low dark whispering style anymore.

On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

As for the goosebumps, I sometimes have them, especially with Poltergeist, Leathers, Rosemary, Tempest, sometimes Entombed.

And songs like Swerve City or Goon Squad still make me want to bump my head and jump around.

[from_musings]

I completely understand that they are in a positive mindset, which makes me incredibly happy for them, but when raw and intense emotion (note I'm not saying NO emotion, just commenting on intensity) is absent or found in lesser quantities, I feel like the songs are calling out for compensation in the technical and/or structural departments, and Koi No Yokan isn't delivering there. 

i agree, listened through s/t the other day, and what a journey it is.after the last chord of the album, you are shaken and feel euphoric. you're in some kind of high and can't start doing something else right away, you have to land mentally. it's like when you walk out of the cinema after watching a really good movie when you feel shaken cause of a lot of impressions and impact. it's not like that with kny, much because the songs doesn't cut as deep as some other albums. i agree when it's not as emotionally grabbing as other records - for me i wish more out of steph's riffs - that they can offer more stimulation for the mind when the record is not as emotionally stimulating. but kny is a good solid album, i like it. I never bought the hype on this board that it would be their best album like many others said so I was still pleasantly surprised. predicted a 3.5 / 5 and I think it is there now for me. all i wished for was that it would be better than snw och d.e, and for me kny beats those two

[phil for real]

upon first hearing the line "i promise to watch and raise your babies" i immediately fell in love with it.  it's completely heartfelt and the delivery of it is incredible.  possibly my favorite line of the whole album.

[E-Money]

upon first hearing the line "i promise to watch and raise your babies" i immediately fell in love with it.  it's completely heartfelt and the delivery of it is incredible.  possibly my favorite line of the whole album.

yes I also think its a great line.  its a kick ass record.