Koi No Yokan thread

[ShadowScars]

This happens when u don't promote ur shit the right way... FU WB!!!

I don't understand what you are so mad about 65,000 in 2012 considering the state of the music business is pretty good.

I agree. These aren't bad numbers considering.

What bugs me  is, if first week sales are comparable to DE without DE promotion, what would the numbers have been WITH the promotion? Maybe it wouldn't have made much of a difference... or maybe it would have bumped it up around 80k and charted better.

I hope this thing has legs.

PS - I guess I was wrong about a late leak helping sales.

[DeftonesNZ]

But they did do promotion they gave away a free song ("Leathers") ,had the guitar competition ,had tons of interviews with press plus the Q&A ,they also sent out media packs and people on here said they saw poster and stuff up around on the streets, they also made the special edition pack with 100 randomly signed copies that was pretty clever of them and most importantly they've been touring those numbers aren't because of bad promotion it's just a reflection of the sad state of the music industry

[DAFTPUNK87]

I dunno what ya'll are saying about not much promotion for KNY? They gave away the first track, had contests, been doing interviews, not to mention touring like crazy. They did the "signature" copies, constantly posting on Facebook, Instagram, etc. We all saw how greatly the anticipation of the leak was.. not to mention I've seen countless ads for KNY on YouTube & Spotify. They promoted the shit out of this album.

It really just comes down to the kind of band Deftones are - they aren't a huge mainstream, top 40 pop-hear them-on-the-radio 24/7-kinda-band like Green Day & Soundgarden (Thank God). So they aren't going to utilize media such as MTV & Fuse etc. They aren't that kind of band, and like what Chino said in a recent interview "We have a lot of die hard fans, as well as new fans. I think that our fans will buy our record, and Green Days fans will buy their record.. it's just how it goes."

Deftones are well known and regarded as successful musicians and a successful band. I think everyone knows what they're all about, and they respect that. 7th album, by now it just comes to word of mouth (which they have relied a lot on over the years) If they haven't already heard by now via ads on the internet and all the talk about KNY- anyone who needs to know or wants to know- will know that Deftones have an amazing new album out - and tell their friends to go buy that shit!

[jciraheta]

i just want to say after 2 weeks, ... still loving the album,

higlights Rosemary , romantic dreams, graphic nature, whty

very good songs Leathers , tempest, gauze, entombed, poltergesit, swerve city ,

not like to much goon squaad

and we need a video 

[Jacob]

they aren't a huge mainstream, top 40 pop-hear them-on-the-radio 24/7-kinda-band like Soundgarden

uhh. what?

[only pieces remain]

deftones are popular as shit, dunno what hes talking about. Granted they are no nickelback but still.

[Visitant]

deftones are popular as shit, dunno what hes talking about. Granted they are no nickelback but still.

Not as popular as you think.  Also, "popular" doesn't mean you sell records.

[mode_def]

I HATE TO SAY THIS...
I think because four songs were made available before the album came out, it kind of spolied it for me...Yes I know I spoiled it for myself...I couldnt help it, I wanted to listen to new Deftones music soooo bad...I feel that its a great album so far but time will tell if it will have the same initial positive effect...


P.S. very excited to be a part of Sharing lungs FINALLY!!!!! I don't meet many Deftones fans outside of the internet....Hope to get to my fellow fans!

[DeftonesNZ]

I HATE TO SAY THIS...
I think because four songs were made available before the album came out, it kind of spolied it for me...Yes I know I spoiled it for myself...I couldnt help it, I wanted to listen to new Deftones music soooo bad...I feel that its a great album so far but time will tell if it will have the same initial positive effect...


P.S. very excited to be a part of Sharing lungs FINALLY!!!!! I don't meet many Deftones fans outside of the internet....Hope to get to my fellow fans!

Four songs weren't made available rosemary and poltergeist were just recorded live ,it's all about self control lol

[durtysanch]

Listened about 50 times to the album. At this point I have my favorites that i can't quite kick. Graphic Nature and WHTY. Can't get enuf of those songs. I'm kinda pissed at myself for overplaying Tempest and Leathers before they came out. Now I sort of skip them and hoping the others will catch up. I also really still love Gauze and Poltergeist. Entombed really hits a huge emotional chord with me since i have a 2 month old baby girl. Fricken Beautiful and this song comes from my favorite "rock" band of all time. Who wuudda thunk.

Initially I couldnt stand Romantic Dreams because of the dam Chorus. But the intro, verses and outro are very very strong on that song and it appears I now overlook the chorus and am really finally getting into that song. Weird. Cuz i hated it at first and thought they really jacked it up.

Regarding the one poster that points out the weak bridges on this album. Can't argue that. It's not their strong suite on this album. But the consistent theme (Koi no Yokan) and story telling on this album is stronger on this album than any other with the exception of WP which is on the same level. The emotional ride on this album is top notch. And I love the way the keyboards constantly collide into the guitar rifs like shit is about to explode or fall apart. For example in Guaze or Rosemary, makes up for the bridges in my opinion. Alot of meditative feel on this album with all the long outro and intros colliding together like on ATF.

[only pieces remain]

deftones are popular as shit, dunno what hes talking about. Granted they are no nickelback but still.

Not as popular as you think.  Also, "popular" doesn't mean you sell records.

if you are selling 65k in 2012 as a alt metal/rock band you are pretty out there. And they are my favorite, one of my beloved bands I am fine with being "bigger" simply because they make quality tunes that appeal to more people. More people than 95% of the music I listen to anyways.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

So after FINALLY getting my hard copy and being able to listen to KNY a few more times and on good speakers and not awful small computer speakers, I have a few changes of heart. First, I appreciate the album a bit more, as I can hear all the little things. First, Rosemary has def become my favorite song on the album, and I honestly wasn't a fan of it before. Second, WHTY is probably bumped up to my second favorite. Gauze has fallen a few notches, but I still like it more than the majority of the album. Poltergeist is still awesome, and I still am not at all a fan of Romantic Dreams (and I still never skip it! I've given it sooo many trys and it just rubs me the wrong way). Every other song felt better to me with a few more listens. I still do think this and DE end up on the bottom of the totem pole for me as far as their discography goes, but definitely still solid! For a band that's gone through so much and so many changes in sound over the course of now almost 25 years, I really couldn't have expected any more. There it is.

[illthrowROCKS@U]

Also, in addition, I think the single greatest moment on the album might just be the last minute or so of Entombed. The whole song itself is good, but like someone before said it does get a little repetitive. The end, though, my god! Abe makes that track shine!!!

[Vesanic]

Tried it again. Doesn't grow on me and probably won't. Bummer.

[Hidalgo]

try & keep an open mind about it, & definitely don't be hell bent on hating it(or you will, obviously). pitting it against your favorite stuff by them doesn't mean you need to be loyal to that stuff by hating this different stuff.(not saying that's your reason). the albums are friends of eachothers, not foes. they don't need to fight eachother.

when WP came out, us long time fans had a serious shock. sure we had heard it would be more mellow than ATF & adrenaline, but had no idea just how different it would be. i expected stuff like bqad, mascara, etc. so it was quite a change (and after hearing Korea live from ozzfest '99, i though damn that's their idea of mellow? first song i heard early/at all from the internet at my friend's house, made me want the internet, & got it a few months later). but i gave it a chance & didn't pit it against their old sound, & realised quickly this is some cool music. i'm sure plenty of people just said "oh hell no, this ain't ATF, i'm out". i feel lucky to dig all their music. i'm crazy picky about music(singers mostly) but i like a wide range of music as long as i think it's good(or i enjoy it)

i think the last thing deftones need to do is, make the most technical album they're capable of(while still making the songs as good as possible). it's the last thing they need to conquer. just max out every instrument, at least of half the album. Stef needs to do a solo(at least 1, but preferibly half the album, tap solos, pick solos, some sweeps, etc) get that monkey off his back. the elephant in the room. people dog him for playing avg difficulty riffs, & never soloing. he should create the most technical stuff he can. i know he did a solo in "answers" so if he never does one on an album at least there's that. but he needs to do this imo. also this would make the album as different from anything they've done as WP was from ATF & adrenaline. let Abe max out too(although i think he's the most talented in the band as far as instruments go)if they have 2 albums left, save this for last, it would be a huge suprise to fans, & nobody would expect it

[DeftonesNZ]

I don't think you can make yourself like something by listening to it lots it should just click ,one day your life will have changed and suddenly  the songs will make sense Deftones are so mood based.

[Vesanic]

try & keep an open mind about it, & definitely don't be hell bent on hating it(or you will, obviously). pitting it against your favorite stuff by them doesn't mean you need to be loyal to that stuff by hating this different stuff.(not saying that's your reason). the albums are friends of eachothers, not foes. they don't need to fight eachother.

Because you think that's what I'm doing?

*desperate sigh*

[Caín]

Okay - re-review after a couple of weeks

1. Swerve City
Nothing about this song stands out, yes it is pretty "banging" as the kids say, but in the end they're playing one stock riff to the ground. It's simplistic, has no identity, no hook. The songs glides effortlessly between verse, chorus, bridge and middle eight. No high point.

2. Romantic Dreams
The intro riff is spot on. Great atmosphere, good sense of suspense. The track bounces almost randomly between its segments which makes it an insteresting package but a jarring experience nontheless. Features some cool, almost longing passages sung by Chino.

3. Leathers
Terrible verse, with another stock riff by Stef. It's almost like he doesn't care anymore. Chorus is just weird. It clearly is outside of Chino's comfort zone - it's almost annoying to listen to. Features some nice cymbal work by Abe in the outro.

4. Poltergeist
Another stock riff that at least radiates some energy and makes you want to move. For the first time on this record. Chino yells stoically, without emotion, without passion, without any kind of inspiration. The band does their best to fill the void Chino is creating with his lacklustre performance - with some intense and powerful drumming by Abe.

5. Entombed
A standout track in many ways. Sonically it sounds like it doesn't even belong on the record. Very dreamy, broad and almost completely placid. Almost falling off the kitsch cliff, the song barely makes it through. It sounds insincere in it's ambition of big emotions. Great, open chorus. Maybe too repetitive. Still good.

6. Graphic Nature
This song is almost not worth writing about. The drumming is good, but again the riff is so gooddamn stock, both rhythmically and the chord progression reek of 90s alternative standards. Song ends on a great note, though. The last minute sees Abe opening up and just pounding through the reminder of the song. Very bouncy - almost RATM like.

7. Tempest
Probably the only Deftones track that could qualify as an epic. 5 minutes of wall of sound, introduced by 1 minute of somber tones. I KNOW this song is supposed to feel apocalyptic and menacing but in reality, it does not. All the ingredients are there, they just don't gel. There are a few moments of greatness though. The bridge is fantastic, gaining momentum and a sense of impeding doom but dissolves in a chorus that is hampered by poor production. The drum sound in the chorus is so tinny, it sucks all power  right out of it.

8. Entirely unremarkable track. The verse again, is so stock, so devoid of any idea, it sounds like another alternative standard from the 90s. The chorus is nice, but not enough to make you want to sit through a minute of one of the most boring riff you have ever heard in your life. Chino is trying to infuse life by giving his melodies a little arabic twist - but fails miserably.

9. Rosemary
Another ambitious track. Very reminiscent of SNW and Beware in particular. The delay drenched guitar is nice, giving a nice spacious vibe.  But before you can fully appreciate this new sonic quality, Stef comes in. And start ploughing through the track with just 4 different notes. Man, can this guy become ANY lazier with his parts? I doubt it. Terrible. Wait till you hear the "heavy" break down. That's a band going through the motions, because one guy likes Meshuggah but doesn't understand what makes them great.

10. Another two tone snoozefest. At this point I'm not even sure if Stef is serious. Well, he sure is - because the refrain again is two chords! Maybe they should just roll with it and call themselves twotones. Abysmal showing. How uninspired can you be? Oh, I forgot. They tried to get a guitar solo in. HAHA. Yes. HAHA.

11. What happened to you?   
Yes. It's nice. And pleasant. Has some beautiful sounds. No edge. No idea. No cojones. Just nice. If I were a girl, I would friendzone it.

[UrZ*]

Whole rant on Stef mainly

Seriously have you listened to Deftones before? He's been doing the same thing he did on a vast majority of their songs: Engine #9, Head up, Elite, Bloody Cape... need i go on?

He's a rhythmic  player. I agree he got kinda lazy, especially on Diamond Eyes.

But have u listened to the rhythms and odd meters? Or the chord progression in the chorus of Poltergeist?

[from_musings]

when i read cain's post, the ppl in the same room as me stopped what they were doing and asked me what was so funny-true story.i like kny, but he was spot on a lot of times in there