Koi No Yokan thread

[Sett]

There is no such thing as "the best thing Deftones have done"

[GrandeJano]

I think the general praise for it is a little exaggerated. Saying it's the best thing Deftones have done is, for me, a hyperbole. Calm down, peeps.

Yes. Thank you.

For some people its the best record, for others its the worst record and some are somewhere in the middle. Nobody can say that a personal taste in music is exaggerated. Its about what your guts say and thats a very subjective feeling.

[Vesanic]

I don't know. I think the imagery in their other albums is way too vast to say KNY beats them all... But oh well.

[TheShade1989]

I don't know. I think the imagery in their other albums is way too vast to say KNY beats them all... But oh well.

That is a good point. And for me, the weakest thing about this album is the lyrics. They're not bad, but they dont have the same effect as WP had, that kinda creativity and story-telling kinda feel. But then, to me personally, none of their albums have had the same lyrical style, so I didnt expect a revert back to Knife Prty-esque lyrics, so it's not a big deal or a surprise, just the only thing I can consider the weakest aspect of the album, for me personally. Still loving it, just wish they'd play more of the new songs live.

[GrandeJano]

@vesanic:

Yeah I know what you mean. I do really enjoy the more positive vibe on kny right now. but at the same time, I still like selftitled the most of all albums especially because its dark, sad and sick and by no means positive.

Generally I think its not about "this record beats that record", its about what people feel and I prefer saying "I dont feel that record/this song" instead of "this is complete shit" or "this is the best theyve ever done". I love people talking bout their feelings when talking about deftones, cause to me thats what makes them so special and different from other bands, they touch people with so many different emotions.

Its not a damn album championship.

[Vesanic]

Still loving it, just wish they'd play more of the new songs live.

Don't worry, they will. It's not like they don't have to.

[SomeOf]

We are all here, fighting about which album is the best, which album is the worst.
The truth is, there is no truth.
Even when we are trying to be really objective, everything is only a question of opinion.

What really matters it's the evolution of their music. For someone, KNY is their best album, for some it's Adrenaline.
Each of us will always think to know which album is the best one but we are wrong.

For instance, I will never understand people who think that KNY or DE is the best album of the band.
But it's MY opinion. Maybe KNY IS a masterpiece.

For me, masterpieces are ATF, WP and ST.
Well, I suppose that's only my opinion even if a part is about objectivity.
It's about my own tastes.

....... well, ok, MEIN is REALLY a shit. It's a fact.

[GrandeJano]

....... well, ok, MEIN is REALLY a shit. It's a fact.

agreed.

[pissedandpierced]

....... well, ok, MEIN is REALLY a shit. It's a fact.

agreed.

I wouldn't say that it was shit, if Serj wasn't on the track it might be better. I'm finding it hard to get into KNY, it's kinda got the same feelings I had for S/T.

[Sett]

Is there any data how are the sales so far ? I'd reckon they are massive. For this kind of music, that is.

[pissedandpierced]

Is there any data how are the sales so far ? I'd reckon they are massive. For this kind of music, that is.

According to Blabbermouth it is expected to sell between 60,000 and 65,000 in the US in the first week It probably won't chart in the UK until tomorrow when the listings are updated.

[Slacker]

Haven't really shared my thoughts on this yet.

I like it. Really like it.

But I think the general praise for it is a little exaggerated. Saying it's the best thing Deftones have done is, for me, a hyperbole. Calm down, peeps.

Obligatory album rankings:

S/T
Diamond Eyes (haters gonna hate)
White Pony
Koi No Yokan / Saturday Night Wrist
Around the Fur
Adrenaline

i agree i love the album, the tracks have grown a great bit on me.

but my initial impression hasn't change...

DE > KNY

it is just a better allrounder...i remember back in '10 saying, "damn, this is album is really solid, definitly the most cohesive since WP (even though it was too midtempo oriented for my taste)". So the claim of the "true successor" was sold in my book.

i aint buying the same claim for KNY.

the cohesiveness ranking (wich doesnt mean they are my favorites):

ATF
A
WP
DE
KNY
ST
SNW

[epistaxis]

Since I picked up the album it has been on repeat ever since.
Heck, I even DREAM about it: in my dream I was in a supermarket and I suddenly heard 'Gauze'.

Today I decided to put it aside for the time being, I don't want to wear it out already(like I already have with leathers and tempest even though I didn't listen to them that much: I disliked leathers at first listen).

So far I like it heaps better than DE(I'm never in the mood to put that one on) but I gravitate more towards their darker material.

[jez rox kaluha]

My 2 cents...

Swerve City - Fun at first, now I'm a bit bored by it.  Would've been fine if this appeared on their 1st or 2nd album but kind of embarrassing when it makes the cut on #7.

Romantic Dreams - Kinda like it but should've loved it.  The time sig changes are a nice try but never seem organic, like they did it just to sound progressive & "hey everyone. our sound is evolving"

Leathers - interesting intro, nice thick riffs, great lyrics but like a lot of deftones songs over the past decade, turns into repetitive filler.  Instead of just trying to make a potential radio hit they could have stepped back & really thought about where the song could've went.  Instead, it ends up going nowhere.  After the first verse/chorus, you no longer need to keep listeneing 'cause you've already heard the whole song.  Probably the weakest track overall imo

Poltergeist - Aside from the fact that i liked the original title Roller Derby 100000x more, track 4 isnt bad but again once i listened all the way thru i knew the next time i listened i would only be listening to a certain point before skipping to something else.  The hand claps actually kinda worked for me i guess because they shouldn't have in a song this heavy.  Sergio's low end is nice & sinister but again, havent they made this type of short & sweet uptempo aggressive choppy song before (Rickets, Street Carp, Rapture, CMND?CTRL even Melanie)  What's the point?  They can do this shit in their sleep  Is it just an excuse to get another heavy track on the album?  Could've been better but instead ends up kinda lame

Entombed - Nice song.  I actually prefer more of their melodic stuff but nothing surprising here.  This song didnt need to be 5 minutes  Very monochromatic all the way thru.  Liked the lyrics, Chino's voice didnt sound strained for once & I like the electronic tinge in the drum beats but it makes its point early then has nothing new to say (Sensing a patern here?)  KNY's Sextape.  Decent song but where's the risk?  Do all their albums have to have that one or two ballad-y type team sleep song? 

Graphic Nature - not much to say except this gets my vote as most boring song on KNY & one of the most uninteresting songs they've ever done.  Not bad so much as its just kinda...there.  Nothing memorable.  Lyrics are kinda cool but idk...listened once & can safely say it wont be getting a second

Tempest - one of the best songs they've ever written...no complaints except that sadly, more songs werent like this one

Gauze - Glasssjaw called they want their song back.  Liked the syncopation just before the chorus & Frank's effects are killer but heavy for the sake of beong heavy  No imagination, no exploration  Very disappointing

Rosemary - see Tempest...although we didnt need the outro because it said to me "we need to make this song longer so people will look at the track length & think something epic is going on when really we're just adding unnecessary noise at the ends of songs"  Come to think of it, you could say the same for entombed, graphic nature, gauze & goon squad...why extend a song longer than it needs to be if you're not gonna use that time wisely.  I guess the band  heard some fans complaining that DE was too short & decided the remedy would be to make their next album hella long for the hell of it instead of making an honest effort to be exciting & fresh

Goon Squad - awesome intro followed by 4 minutes of ridiculous "WHOOS" in the chorus, a riff that may as well have been playing on a loop, and another song i would've expected from ATF era deftones  This song went on forever & just left me numb but not in a good way.  Besides the intro, the only other thing i did enjoy was the "designed for you by me" part but overall nothing special

WHTY? - Hate this song as a closer for the sole reason that we've all come to expect songs like this as a closer.  However, the only reason it works is because it's the closer so figure that one out.  Placed anywhere else on the album & I'd feel the same way for it as i do Entombed or sextape.  That being said WHTY is actually a really cool song on its own.  Simple yes but Chino's vocals & lyrics really hit me.  Anything short of the haunting qualities that Chino provides & I'd be shitting on this track but he kinda saved some greatness for last but its too late nonetheless

if there's one thing KNY accomplished it made me appreciate White Pony even more.  HUUUUUUGE disappointment.  For all the talk that this band wants to push the envelope & be more daring & experimental, they seemed to have forgotten that it needs to happen naturally.  Trying to be different is beneath a band that made its name by being different by simply existing

[rxjustine]

I think the general praise for it is a little exaggerated. Saying it's the best thing Deftones have done is, for me, a hyperbole. Calm down, peeps.

Yes. Thank you.

For some people its the best record, for others its the worst record and some are somewhere in the middle. Nobody can say that a personal taste in music is exaggerated. Its about what your guts say and thats a very subjective feeling.

I suppose it's just the IMMEDIATE praise that I don't understand. For me, it takes a little while to really appreciate an album. There have been a lot of times when I love an album upon first listen, I'm all about it, but then tire of it soon after. The albums I consider all-time favourites are ones that I've continued to love for years. So for me, to say KNY is 'the best' just a couple days after its release is crazy. But hey, that's just me.

[IN WAVES]

This album is so much better when you're blasting it on a decent system. I just got the physical CD last night, and I'm listening to it today. I thought it was great before, but now it's much better. :^D   

Going back to ranking the albums, this one probably isn't near the top. That doesn't mean it's a bad album, it's just that the stuff that came before it was that d@mn good! I love Koi No Yokan. I'll be blasting this and the other CD's until the next album (and Eros hopefully) come out. 



Wake up, Chi!

[Corleone]

Graphic Nature - not much to say except this gets my vote as most boring song on KNY & one of the most uninteresting songs they've ever done.  Not bad so much as its just kinda...there.  Nothing memorable.  Lyrics are kinda cool but idk...listened once & can safely say it wont be getting a second

What kind of deftones fan doesnt give a song a second chance, thats one of the better songs on the album.

[DeftonesNZ]

Graphic Nature - not much to say except this gets my vote as most boring song on KNY & one of the most uninteresting songs they've ever done.  Not bad so much as its just kinda...there.  Nothing memorable.  Lyrics are kinda cool but idk...listened once & can safely say it wont be getting a second

What kind of deftones fan doesnt give a song a second chance, thats one of the better songs on the album.

Yeah i always give tracks more than one listen.especially with Deftones their experts at writing songs that grow on you lol

[GrandeJano]

I suppose it's just the IMMEDIATE praise that I don't understand. For me, it takes a little while to really appreciate an album. But hey, that's just me.

No, thats me too.

[jaypayton]

most of the people I have talked to who are deftone fans hate this record. they say the Deftones lost their balls and are too commercial and trying to recreate white pony....i dont fully agree, but it is definitely a new direction they are taking...the days of angry full on assaults are over (adrenaline/ATF/Self titled) ...Kinda similar to what happened to the Chili Peppers..As they got older, the music mellowed and got more commercial, critics started sucking them off, a whole shit ton on NEW fans came onto the scene, while all the old fans started dropping off and screamed sellout...I think alot of the people who rep albums like Adrenaline, Around The Fur, even self titled, are going to start bailing on the Deftones....the fanbase is going to start shifting