Koi No Yokan thread

[Usurper]

To me though it just sucks I can't shake the feeling that they've had a very consistently enjoyable album cycle throughout their career and this is a kind of a step back and a hiccup for them. Chino said 'I never want to make another deftones record just to make one' but it seems like that's what they've done here.

For me though I only have made music in my life when i was fucked up or felt like i needed to. So I can't see why you'd make a record if you were just having a good time or whatever. That's just me though

Dude I've been following this band since they started and I honestly think you have a stick up your ass right now. I'll turn forty next year and just like the band I've grown up since Adrenaline (my fav) but that doesn't mean we've lost our "edge". Seriously listen to the way you are describing the album "hiccup"?! Me personally I could care less about how anyone feels because that's your damn right but you are sounding very sour. I could understand backlash like this from fans if this album were to drop after Adrenaline but it's twenty years later and you are expecting them to sound like they did when they were twenty. Your expectations are unrealistic that's all.

Take it for what it is, an album made by a bunch of guys who's catalog you already respect. No need for it to be Earth shattering or anything. To me it's probably the most concise and thought out album they have ever made. Does that mean I like it more than Adrenaline?! hell no! But I love it for what it is and at my age I am just thankful that one of my favorite bands is still making quality music that I can still go skate to. Peace.

BTW is it cool to do an album review in this thread?

I think people are getting carried away with xToxin's dislike for KNY.  Being a deftones fan does not mean you are obligated to enjoy every single piece of material they make.  Lets get real here. If their next CD sounds like country, Im out. 

Have deftones changed every single album? Yes.  Usually its the instrumentation and song writing that changes while Chino delivers his usual mix of vocal styles.  This time, Chino has changed more than the instrumentation has and I can see why that is a hard pill for some to swallow.  I love KNY personally, but I dont view people who are vocal about not liking it as people with sticks up their asses.   I see them as people that wish their music didnt go so far the other way.  There is nothing wrong with that.

Sorry man I'm not attacking anyone. Just seems that some are hoping/expecting the band to sound the same as they did twenty years ago and that is just simply unrealistic. No offense intended. Hell we are all hear because the fucking band rocks right?! lol

I for one am very happy with the album and think that when all is said and done Rosemary will be considered one of their best efforts ever.

I dont think people are looking for a recreation of a 20 year old sound.  I believe most people want them to evolve, but there are some that dont like the way they have evolved.  That is a completely fair and normal opinion.

Some of us are here because the band rocks, some are here because they once thought the band rocked. 

Im glad you are stoked on KNY.  I am too. I just chimed in because some of your comments borderline put you in the category of people that think everyone should like a deftones cd just because its deftones.  That way of thinking is a pet peeve of mine.

Happy listening!

[xToxin]

Poltergeist and Rosemary are good

Gauze has potential

Entombed has an emotional chorus.

Tempest is decent

The rest? Eh on the fence.

give it about a 6 maybe.

[from_musings]

6 ain't that bad. did you expect it to be a 10?

[poltergeist entombed]

Out of 10, I give it infinity.

[Rosemary]

To me though it just sucks I can't shake the feeling that they've had a very consistently enjoyable album cycle throughout their career and this is a kind of a step back and a hiccup for them. Chino said 'I never want to make another deftones record just to make one' but it seems like that's what they've done here.

For me though I only have made music in my life when i was fucked up or felt like i needed to. So I can't see why you'd make a record if you were just having a good time or whatever. That's just me though

Dude I've been following this band since they started and I honestly think you have a stick up your ass right now. I'll turn forty next year and just like the band I've grown up since Adrenaline (my fav) but that doesn't mean we've lost our "edge". Seriously listen to the way you are describing the album "hiccup"?! Me personally I could care less about how anyone feels because that's your damn right but you are sounding very sour. I could understand backlash like this from fans if this album were to drop after Adrenaline but it's twenty years later and you are expecting them to sound like they did when they were twenty. Your expectations are unrealistic that's all.

Take it for what it is, an album made by a bunch of guys who's catalog you already respect. No need for it to be Earth shattering or anything. To me it's probably the most concise and thought out album they have ever made. Does that mean I like it more than Adrenaline?! hell no! But I love it for what it is and at my age I am just thankful that one of my favorite bands is still making quality music that I can still go skate to. Peace.

BTW is it cool to do an album review in this thread?

I think people are getting carried away with xToxin's dislike for KNY.  Being a deftones fan does not mean you are obligated to enjoy every single piece of material they make.  Lets get real here. If their next CD sounds like country, Im out. 

Have deftones changed every single album? Yes.  Usually its the instrumentation and song writing that changes while Chino delivers his usual mix of vocal styles.  This time, Chino has changed more than the instrumentation has and I can see why that is a hard pill for some to swallow.  I love KNY personally, but I dont view people who are vocal about not liking it as people with sticks up their asses.   I see them as people that wish their music didnt go so far the other way.  There is nothing wrong with that.

Sorry man I'm not attacking anyone. Just seems that some are hoping/expecting the band to sound the same as they did twenty years ago and that is just simply unrealistic. No offense intended. Hell we are all hear because the fucking band rocks right?! lol

I for one am very happy with the album and think that when all is said and done Rosemary will be considered one of their best efforts ever.

I dont think people are looking for a recreation of a 20 year old sound.  I believe most people want them to evolve, but there are some that dont like the way they have evolved.  That is a completely fair and normal opinion.

Some of us are here because the band rocks, some are here because they once thought the band rocked. 

Im glad you are stoked on KNY.  I am too. I just chimed in because some of your comments borderline put you in the category of people that think everyone should like a deftones cd just because its deftones.  That way of thinking is a pet peeve of mine.

Happy listening!

I hear ya. My pet peeve are those that try soooo hard to be cool they become nothing bu t douche's. Too many are afraid to just be themselves and fuck all who have a problem with it.

[Corleone]

Poltergeist and Rosemary are good

Gauze has potential

Entombed has an emotional chorus.

Tempest is decent

The rest? Eh on the fence.

give it about a 6 maybe.

Give them all a chance, I pretty much like all the songs minus Leathers. It is a combo sound of SNW, S/T and DE.

[Corleone]

It kind of irks me though how much times Chino says "you" as his hook.

[theis]

Haven't really shared my thoughts on this yet.

I like it. Really like it.

But I think the general praise for it is a little exaggerated. Saying it's the best thing Deftones have done is, for me, a hyperbole. Calm down, peeps.

Obligatory album rankings:

S/T
Diamond Eyes (haters gonna hate)
White Pony
Koi No Yokan / Saturday Night Wrist
Around the Fur
Adrenaline

[illthrowROCKS@U]

To me though it just sucks I can't shake the feeling that they've had a very consistently enjoyable album cycle throughout their career and this is a kind of a step back and a hiccup for them. Chino said 'I never want to make another deftones record just to make one' but it seems like that's what they've done here.

For me though I only have made music in my life when i was fucked up or felt like i needed to. So I can't see why you'd make a record if you were just having a good time or whatever. That's just me though

Dude I've been following this band since they started and I honestly think you have a stick up your ass right now. I'll turn forty next year and just like the band I've grown up since Adrenaline (my fav) but that doesn't mean we've lost our "edge". Seriously listen to the way you are describing the album "hiccup"?! Me personally I could care less about how anyone feels because that's your damn right but you are sounding very sour. I could understand backlash like this from fans if this album were to drop after Adrenaline but it's twenty years later and you are expecting them to sound like they did when they were twenty. Your expectations are unrealistic that's all.

Take it for what it is, an album made by a bunch of guys who's catalog you already respect. No need for it to be Earth shattering or anything. To me it's probably the most concise and thought out album they have ever made. Does that mean I like it more than Adrenaline?! hell no! But I love it for what it is and at my age I am just thankful that one of my favorite bands is still making quality music that I can still go skate to. Peace.

BTW is it cool to do an album review in this thread?

I think people are getting carried away with xToxin's dislike for KNY.  Being a deftones fan does not mean you are obligated to enjoy every single piece of material they make.  Lets get real here. If their next CD sounds like country, Im out. 

Have deftones changed every single album? Yes.  Usually its the instrumentation and song writing that changes while Chino delivers his usual mix of vocal styles.  This time, Chino has changed more than the instrumentation has and I can see why that is a hard pill for some to swallow.  I love KNY personally, but I dont view people who are vocal about not liking it as people with sticks up their asses.   I see them as people that wish their music didnt go so far the other way.  There is nothing wrong with that.

Sorry man I'm not attacking anyone. Just seems that some are hoping/expecting the band to sound the same as they did twenty years ago and that is just simply unrealistic. No offense intended. Hell we are all hear because the fucking band rocks right?! lol

I for one am very happy with the album and think that when all is said and done Rosemary will be considered one of their best efforts ever.

I was with you until you said Rosemary is one of their best songs.. I just don't get the hype for that song at all. I mean it's not terrible, but far from the best on the album much less Deftones all-time!

[Jerry_Curls]

I've been listening to Koi No Yokan for a week now with headphones. Walking around. It's nice and cold out. I'm going to do a stream of thought kind of thing...

Swerve City:
This track has great soaring vocals, pretty straight-forward stuff. I love how bouncy it is and would love to be in the pit and just jump around like it was 1999. That bass is so groovy. Short and concise...get it out of the way :-)

Romantic Dreams:
One of my favorite tracks off this album. As usual, Abe shines. Another soaring chorus, but this time, I love it. I love the anxiety in Chino's voice during the verse. Song makes me feel like I am in a dream.

Leathers:
I love this intro. I don't get how some people don't like it. I love what frank is doing..feels like it is still part of Romantic Dreams. The song, for me, starts when the guitars rip my face off. At first, I didn't like this song. I love this chorus. I love the lyrical content. Great track. I get the SNW vibe from this one. And that fucking scream is what we all love about Deftones. That anger! Pain! Something!

Poltergeist:
I fucking love those claps and Frank's effects. Feels like something sinister is about to go inside your mind. I totally get an ATF vibe from this track. Super up-tempo. The part where he says "I love you to death" or whatever it is he says...everything about this part sounds ATF to me. The washing guitar sound, Chino's melody...Like everyone says...a scream here or there would have brought this song over the edge. The last part of the song...I hear something rising, like it's getting thicker. Might be Frank doing something but I love it!

Entombed:
I love what Chino is playing here in the background. This song reminds me of Silent Hill if the vocals were to be taken out. The drum samples, the airiness of the guitar. I like that during the chorus, Chino doesn't do a falsetto...he's singing. I like how his vocals are about to break down. I love the keyboard part in the bridge to the end of the song...and I hear some sound like something exploded in the sky. I love this outro.

Graphic Nature:
Fucking dark song. White Pony b-side? I like the slight guitar sliding I hear in this song. My favorite part of this song when he its "wOoooo" and then delay. I know he does a lot of "wooos" in this song, but this one is special. Makes the song sound weird. The last part where he goes, "tell me how you do it" is fucking killer...and then Abe's master drumming!!#@#$#@$ I love the outro on this one as well...song winds down...arrive back to earth for a little bit...

Tempest:
This song is rockin! The imagery is amazing.. "Id like to be taken, apart from the inside.." love that line. I love the interplay between Stef and Chino during this song. Frank's effects/keys are amazing as per usual. The part after the song makes me bob head. Love this part. Last chorus gets walls of noise...love this...Abe killing it in the end! My favorite drummer!

Gauze:
Stef's guitar is my favorite part of this song. How can people say this album isn't heavy? It's way more dark, brooding, and songs actually feel heavy compared to DE. Sorry off topic...I love that bridge after the 2nd chorus...whatever Frank is doing is rad. Gauze may not be my favorite, but its getting there. I fucking love this outro...gets me ready for a masterpiece...

Rosemary:
I love how Franks effects ebb-and-flow while getting louder...Then Sergios bass if perfect. Chino starts and reminds me of S/T. Stef just launched me into space! haha  I think this might be the sludgiest he's ever sounded yet, this song is so tender and beautiful...That fucking bridge. "Stay with me....come sail with me..." IT's what I love about Deftones. Then he soars with "ExploooooooooodeeeeEEee" I love how his voice sounds at the end of that word. Not perfect, I love that....Then the bridge comes again and washes of beauty, sensuality, space, dreams..I can't put into words how this part makes me feel. When I kind of did, but yeah you get. Here we go again with an outro that I love...Polar opposite of what Stef was playing. It's cool how Chino is playing what he was singing...It's the little things like this that make me love this band...

Goon Squad:
Totally hear the smashing pumpkins comparison. There is some weird sound that Frank is doing in the background of the intro. Like something is whirling up and then the song kicks in! I love that delayed "wWAH" sounds like some weird shit they would've done during ATF. Chorus is groovy.. I love that "designed special for you..." part..then noise....Love this part. Sound like Chino is screaming sound weird shit in the back...Aliens??? I wish Chino wasn't playing guitar in these songs...I want him to be in the crowds screaming his lungs out. Great track.

What Happened to You:
Abe's beat...so sick. Totally hip hop with that dub bass...Chino's vocals remind me of their Japan cover. I kind of have a feeling Stef is doing keys here something else different. I love the bass in this song....."The sky is falling down...this night BELONGS TO YOU" damn....gets to me. I have no idea how music can do that. I don't know what it's pulling from the back of my mind but it brings me to tears. I love the ending. It's just noisey...vocals are in the back with guitars taking over and then bam...song is over. I love this track. Like I read in some review...it has this positive feeling that the rest of the album doesn't have. A promise of hope, a promise of love.


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I can see why some people don't like certain things, but I am not hearing these things. Deftones sound so tight here. I hear a lot of everything they have ever played up to now...I love this album. One more track and it would be more awesome! At first listen I didn't love it. Not even the second...but after listening to it with good headphones, I could hear everything that was going on.

I look at their albums like this:
OLD             NEW
Adrenaline :: SNW
ATF :: DE
WP :: KNY

with S/T being a a bridge between sounds. There was a review that said DE was the start of their new sound, but I think it goes back to SNW with the references to space, Chino playing more guitar...

[chick de la lynch]

One more track and it would be more awesome! At first listen I didn't love it. Not even the second...but after listening to it with good headphones, I could hear everything that was going on.

Definitely agree with this statement right here. I'm kind of glad I didn't immediately fall in love with it because now I'm appreciating it more and more due to new discoveries and slowly loving it. I don't know how I'd rank it yet as far as all the Deftones albums because all of them are so different. Around The Fur is still my favorite.

You can definitely tell the kind of sounds fans like from Deftones just by the way they rank their albums. It's interesting and awesome that Deftones cater to a wide range of tastes.

[mrpelon94]

this might have been answered....on Romantic Dreams what is voice in the background saying??

[Playhouse]

Imagine if Eros had this kind of new sound as well. I think all the new sound dislikers, would have a heart attack lol

[samson simpson]

anyway, "Swerve City", reminds me of the twilight zone episode called "spur of the moment" where this young girl on a white horse gets chased by an older evil lookin lady on a black horse (screamin at her. the young girl is horrifed thinking she's about to be murdered. after a long chase she gets away) turns out the older evil looking lady was actually the same person, just her older self, & she was chasing her to try & warn her not to ruin her life, but she can never catch her, & she only realises who was chasing her when she was younger once she becomes that older miserable lady. that's swerve city to me. i'm a twilight zone freak,  lol

dammit man....

so fucking awesome you saw that in that song !

I remember seeing that episode a few years ago ( they show like a Twilight Zone marathon on some channel during christmas or new years and that shit bugged me out ..along with some other episodes) and when I heard Swerve I thought of it briefly ..

youre awesome for putting that together

[mrpelon94]

anyway, "Swerve City", reminds me of the twilight zone episode called "spur of the moment" where this young girl on a white horse gets chased by an older evil lookin lady on a black horse (screamin at her. the young girl is horrifed thinking she's about to be murdered. after a long chase she gets away) turns out the older evil looking lady was actually the same person, just her older self, & she was chasing her to try & warn her not to ruin her life, but she can never catch her, & she only realises who was chasing her when she was younger once she becomes that older miserable lady. that's swerve city to me. i'm a twilight zone freak,  lol

dammit man....

so fucking awesome you saw that in that song !

I remember seeing that episode a few years ago ( they show like a Twilight Zone marathon on some channel during christmas or new years and that shit bugged me out ..along with some other episodes) and when I heard Swerve I thought of it briefly ..

youre awesome for putting that together

i love that episode..but i just dont make the connection to the song and that episode?

[samson simpson]

three little birds

[Penicks]

I've been listening to Koi No Yokan for a week now with headphones. Walking around. It's nice and cold out. I'm going to do a stream of thought kind of thing...

Swerve City:
This track has great soaring vocals, pretty straight-forward stuff. I love how bouncy it is and would love to be in the pit and just jump around like it was 1999. That bass is so groovy. Short and concise...get it out of the way :-)

Romantic Dreams:
One of my favorite tracks off this album. As usual, Abe shines. Another soaring chorus, but this time, I love it. I love the anxiety in Chino's voice during the verse. Song makes me feel like I am in a dream.

Leathers:
I love this intro. I don't get how some people don't like it. I love what frank is doing..feels like it is still part of Romantic Dreams. The song, for me, starts when the guitars rip my face off. At first, I didn't like this song. I love this chorus. I love the lyrical content. Great track. I get the SNW vibe from this one. And that fucking scream is what we all love about Deftones. That anger! Pain! Something!

Poltergeist:
I fucking love those claps and Frank's effects. Feels like something sinister is about to go inside your mind. I totally get an ATF vibe from this track. Super up-tempo. The part where he says "I love you to death" or whatever it is he says...everything about this part sounds ATF to me. The washing guitar sound, Chino's melody...Like everyone says...a scream here or there would have brought this song over the edge. The last part of the song...I hear something rising, like it's getting thicker. Might be Frank doing something but I love it!

Entombed:
I love what Chino is playing here in the background. This song reminds me of Silent Hill if the vocals were to be taken out. The drum samples, the airiness of the guitar. I like that during the chorus, Chino doesn't do a falsetto...he's singing. I like how his vocals are about to break down. I love the keyboard part in the bridge to the end of the song...and I hear some sound like something exploded in the sky. I love this outro.

Graphic Nature:
Fucking dark song. White Pony b-side? I like the slight guitar sliding I hear in this song. My favorite part of this song when he its "wOoooo" and then delay. I know he does a lot of "wooos" in this song, but this one is special. Makes the song sound weird. The last part where he goes, "tell me how you do it" is fucking killer...and then Abe's master drumming!!#@#$#@$ I love the outro on this one as well...song winds down...arrive back to earth for a little bit...

Tempest:
This song is rockin! The imagery is amazing.. "Id like to be taken, apart from the inside.." love that line. I love the interplay between Stef and Chino during this song. Frank's effects/keys are amazing as per usual. The part after the song makes me bob head. Love this part. Last chorus gets walls of noise...love this...Abe killing it in the end! My favorite drummer!

Gauze:
Stef's guitar is my favorite part of this song. How can people say this album isn't heavy? It's way more dark, brooding, and songs actually feel heavy compared to DE. Sorry off topic...I love that bridge after the 2nd chorus...whatever Frank is doing is rad. Gauze may not be my favorite, but its getting there. I fucking love this outro...gets me ready for a masterpiece...

Rosemary:
I love how Franks effects ebb-and-flow while getting louder...Then Sergios bass if perfect. Chino starts and reminds me of S/T. Stef just launched me into space! haha  I think this might be the sludgiest he's ever sounded yet, this song is so tender and beautiful...That fucking bridge. "Stay with me....come sail with me..." IT's what I love about Deftones. Then he soars with "ExploooooooooodeeeeEEee" I love how his voice sounds at the end of that word. Not perfect, I love that....Then the bridge comes again and washes of beauty, sensuality, space, dreams..I can't put into words how this part makes me feel. When I kind of did, but yeah you get. Here we go again with an outro that I love...Polar opposite of what Stef was playing. It's cool how Chino is playing what he was singing...It's the little things like this that make me love this band...

Goon Squad:
Totally hear the smashing pumpkins comparison. There is some weird sound that Frank is doing in the background of the intro. Like something is whirling up and then the song kicks in! I love that delayed "wWAH" sounds like some weird shit they would've done during ATF. Chorus is groovy.. I love that "designed special for you..." part..then noise....Love this part. Sound like Chino is screaming sound weird shit in the back...Aliens??? I wish Chino wasn't playing guitar in these songs...I want him to be in the crowds screaming his lungs out. Great track.

What Happened to You:
Abe's beat...so sick. Totally hip hop with that dub bass...Chino's vocals remind me of their Japan cover. I kind of have a feeling Stef is doing keys here something else different. I love the bass in this song....."The sky is falling down...this night BELONGS TO YOU" damn....gets to me. I have no idea how music can do that. I don't know what it's pulling from the back of my mind but it brings me to tears. I love the ending. It's just noisey...vocals are in the back with guitars taking over and then bam...song is over. I love this track. Like I read in some review...it has this positive feeling that the rest of the album doesn't have. A promise of hope, a promise of love.


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I can see why some people don't like certain things, but I am not hearing these things. Deftones sound so tight here. I hear a lot of everything they have ever played up to now...I love this album. One more track and it would be more awesome! At first listen I didn't love it. Not even the second...but after listening to it with good headphones, I could hear everything that was going on.

I look at their albums like this:
OLD             NEW
Adrenaline :: SNW
ATF :: DE
WP :: KNY

with S/T being a a bridge between sounds. There was a review that said DE was the start of their new sound, but I think it goes back to SNW with the references to space, Chino playing more guitar...

though i don't agree with all your points, nicely written, if i read this review before i heard the album i would be stoked as shit

[Hidalgo]

anyway, "Swerve City", reminds me of the twilight zone episode called "spur of the moment" where this young girl on a white horse gets chased by an older evil lookin lady on a black horse (screamin at her. the young girl is horrifed thinking she's about to be murdered. after a long chase she gets away) turns out the older evil looking lady was actually the same person, just her older self, & she was chasing her to try & warn her not to ruin her life, but she can never catch her, & she only realises who was chasing her when she was younger once she becomes that older miserable lady. that's swerve city to me. i'm a twilight zone freak,  lol

dammit man....

so fucking awesome you saw that in that song !

I remember seeing that episode a few years ago ( they show like a Twilight Zone marathon on some channel during christmas or new years and that shit bugged me out ..along with some other episodes) and when I heard Swerve I thought of it briefly ..

youre awesome for putting that together

thank you sir, i'm glad you see it too

[Sett]

I am loving the album more and more with each listen. I know it will be regualary played record by me, unlike DE.

[rxjustine]

I think the general praise for it is a little exaggerated. Saying it's the best thing Deftones have done is, for me, a hyperbole. Calm down, peeps.

Yes. Thank you.