Koi No Yokan thread

[defsteve]

do you really think your opinion is that important?

[Bergerac]

I have to laugh at the denouncing of Adrenaline. The bass led bridge of Nosebleed has one of the prettiest examples of melody that Chino's ever sang.

There's no consistency with this board. New record comes out and something in the past gets shit on.

SNW comes out: 'S/T was shit' (fucking heresy).
DE comes out: 'SNW was shit' (not disagreeing, but I always have said it's their worst from the moment it arrived).

...

KNY comes out: 'Adrenaline is shit'.

[Jacob]

I have to laugh at the denouncing of Adrenaline. The bass led bridge of Nosebleed has one of the prettiest examples of melody that Chino's ever sang.

There's no consistency with this board. New record comes out and something in the past gets shit on.

SNW comes out: 'S/T was shit' (fucking heresy).
DE comes out: 'SNW was shit' (not disagreeing, but I always have said it's their worst from the moment it arrived).

...

KNY comes out: 'Adrenaline is shit'.

I have to laugh at someone thinking he's the judge about what's good and not.

I agree with the lack of melody on Adrenaline. there are a lot of melodies in Chino's vocals, but they have always been very subtle and not catchy at all. with time he's started relying more on straight forward melodies. but especially on Adrenaline, the melodies are a lot more subtle. that doesn't make it bad though. it even makes it very interesting. but overall a lot more tiresome to listen to than a lot of their other stuff. many songs on Adrenaline have melodies and parts that are pretty close to each other, which makes it a little monotone in the long run. same goes for the whispered vocals and effects on Chino's voice. it's too muddy a lot of the time. in my opinion, of course.

[DJR]

One Weak has beautiful melody

No defones album is shit....no defones song is bad! New album comes out then fantastic! But ive listened to KNY and Adrenaline today! Both listens gave me gossepimples , as theyre records always do!

I dont understand any kind of hatred at all for their records

[Bergerac]

I have to laugh at someone thinking he's the judge about what's good and not.

Please do point out where I claimed 'authority' so I can get past this feeling that you're saying it purely because you're in the group I mentioned.

[Rally Sweat]

Every so often I try and listen to Adrenaline - less than half of it sounds like Deftones, and the rest, a bit derivative, to me anyway. So I put it away - the ratio's too high! I don't like skipping songs, or half songs, I just can't do it. So I'd always put it at the bottom of any list. Every other album I can sit through.

[durtysanch]

I have to laugh at the denouncing of Adrenaline. The bass led bridge of Nosebleed has one of the prettiest examples of melody that Chino's ever sang.

There's no consistency with this board. New record comes out and something in the past gets shit on.

SNW comes out: 'S/T was shit' (fucking heresy).
DE comes out: 'SNW was shit' (not disagreeing, but I always have said it's their worst from the moment it arrived).

...

KNY comes out: 'Adrenaline is shit'.

I have to laugh at someone thinking he's the judge about what's good and not.

I agree with the lack of melody on Adrenaline. there are a lot of melodies in Chino's vocals, but they have always been very subtle and not catchy at all. with time he's started relying more on straight forward melodies. but especially on Adrenaline, the melodies are a lot more subtle. that doesn't make it bad though. it even makes it very interesting. but overall a lot more tiresome to listen to than a lot of their other stuff. many songs on Adrenaline have melodies and parts that are pretty close to each other, which makes it a little monotone in the long run. same goes for the whispered vocals and effects on Chino's voice. it's too muddy a lot of the time. in my opinion, of course.

The whispered Vocals and subtle bending of notes offkey in Chino's singing is powerful and unique to me. The biggest draw for me. That And Stefs Riffs.

[gwenudo]

I came here for koi no yokan news not bullshit. Theres a thread for that elsewhere. So please .. send that BS to the BS thread. Thankyou have a nice day.

[Flowb]

I'll always hold Adrenaline in high regard since it's the album that got me into the band. It still sounds great to me.

KNY has a few moments that remind me of some of their older pre-Adrenaline songs for some reason, I'm really digging the new album a lot.

[Diplo]

It seriously cracks me up to see so many people citing Adrenaline as their favorite Deftones album, or even above any of the band's other albums, for that matter.

I listened to Adrenaline the other day for the first time in years, No melody whatsoever in Chino's vocals.

wow. I find some amazing melodies on that album. Many off key notes but notes nonetheless grouped together in a pitch and rythm that created tension and release (melody). Lots of unorthodox verses and chorus structures but definite continuity of pitch and duration. Embryonic Chino original melody on that album mixed with the screaming that was popular at that time. But even the screaming he found a way to make palatable and in some cases powerful and critical to the life of the song.

When i listen to Adrenaline i hear some amazing vocals but alot of Raw music, due to production limitations and no Frank of course.

ATF is much better and their best album in my opinion. Mostly because it's still their raw unorthodox sound but produced real well.

I just don't hear this melody you speak of on Adrenaline. It's all whisper to scream in zero to sixty. And that monotonous guitar tone. I agree with what you said about ATF but it was the same producer for both records. The musicianship on ATF is what bolstered that album into the stratosphere compared to Adrenaline. Adrenaline is such a chore for me to listen to these days that I'm more inclined to just turn it off than sift for the decent parts. Even "Teething" and "Can't Even Breathe" from the following year sound like a completely different band. I've never viewed Adrenaline as anything more than a passable debut.

Something is wrong with you.
Seriously, I will not discuss this because it's not the topic but dude, we talk about Adrenaline right ? Okay it's not good as ATF/WP/ST but this was the first record, the sound is just dirty but even with that it's still one of the best, the guitar, the sing, the rythm.
And don't compare it with HED pe, I'm pretty like Jahred and hed pe in live but his record are so different than deftones record.
Deftones have never been "nu metal" for me and Adrenaline was little more than a "passable debut", after 17 years it continues to make me crazy.

[jciraheta]

wll my opinion  is that for the time, for thier age, etc etc , ..adreanlines is a masterpice, love that record when i was very young and  has a really special place in my heart,

.. its ok , if somebody thinks is weak , has no meloddy , is bored, etc etc for me it doesnt 

but i  do think is very dificult analize   an album 16 or 17 yeras old

[bewareofrats]

And God I would have given anything to have a less depressing and shorter intro on Good Squad. Oh well..

I am on the other side of the fence.  I love that it has the intro and I like the sound of the intro.  Either that or Rosemary's ending needed to be longer.  What do you think of the album overall?

And for those who have heard the leak and the actual cd, does the cd sound better?

[jaypayton]

The people shitting on Adrenaline are probably people who are now too old and mellow to appreciate it....Same as the Chili Peppers fans who kiss their ass or their "mature" music they make nowadays and are stupid enough to shit on their early albums

[NicholasHume]

And God I would have given anything to have a less depressing and shorter intro on Good Squad. Oh well..

I am on the other side of the fence.  I love that it has the intro and I like the sound of the intro.  Either that or Rosemary's ending needed to be longer.  What do you think of the album overall?

And for those who have heard the leak and the actual cd, does the cd sound better?

I agree with you - love the outro/intro - flows nicely and compliments each other. Especially the end of Rosemary; it's complete bliss. Also, It locks you in to listening, so if you start Rosemary with intent to finish it, your head is nodding to Goon Squad before you know it. I may or may not be drawing from recent experience.

As far as differences between the CD and leak, there isn't much difference - but of course, that depends on the quality of your copy. For me it went: the 192kpbs initial leak on Wednesday, a 320kpbs version out Thursday, I found a FLAC copy on Friday, then I "won" KNY on CD at a listening party in Toronto on Saturday. I just kept movin' on up (I was expecting for a vinyl copy somehow for Sunday, to keep this pattern going but my progress stopped there, for some reason). All of them sound good to me, but I may not have the best ears for this sort of thing, especially in comparison to first Rosemary casette rip.

[beansandcornbread]

The people shitting on Adrenaline are probably people who are now too old and mellow to appreciate it....Same as the Chili Peppers fans who kiss their ass or their "mature" music they make nowadays and are stupid enough to shit on their early albums

Early Chilli Peppers is easily their best.  Adrenaline is very pedestrian in comparison.  If you like it cool.  To each their own.

[bewareofrats]

I figured it wouldn't be that noticeable of a difference but I was/am hoping it will be quite a bit.  The production seems better than DE in a way but it also almost lacks punch to me.  The bass could be more up front for me.  Or something.

[NicholasHume]

I figured it wouldn't be that noticeable of a difference but I was/am hoping it will be quite a bit.  The production seems better than DE in a way but it also almost lacks punch to me.  The bass could be more up front for me.  Or something.

I noticed after a few listens that I had my equalizer on in my iTunes, VLC & my iPod - when I turned it off, I was able to hear the individual parts clearer, and the snare specifically was given a little bit more pop to it.

Conversely, if you know better than I, you may be able to use an equalizer to actually improve the sound

[DAFTPUNK87]

Koi No Yokan. Wow.

This is, in fact, the reason why our solar system exists. Music is the highest form of art, and art is the sincerest form of expression. This is the best music. The universe wanted to hear this music, and so billions of years ago it started a process to have this sun and these planets form so that our very species could come to fruition, eventually giving rise to the spectacularly creative individuals known collectively as Deftones.

Seriously, fuck everything that's not this album.

haha this is one of the best things i've ever read

[Visitant]

I listened to Adrenaline the other day for the first time in years, No melody whatsoever in Chino's vocals.

Dude, that is just wrong.

I'm serious! What am I supposed to be looking for? Help me out here. Dude sounds like just another Hed PE/Slightly Stoopid frontman on Adrenaline. ATF is rife with vocal melodies. Adrenaline just sounds like by-the-numbers nu-metal to me. I can't even hear these "intricate riffs" Steph is pumping out on Adrenaline.

It bores me senseless, and the only album of theirs I can't listen to over and over and over again.

Nope.  Those bands came well after Deftones and were obviously influenced by them and took it in a different direction.  I completely disagree with everything else you said is but technically it's debatable.  Just a matter of opinion. 

[Visitant]

I listened to Adrenaline the other day for the first time in years, No melody whatsoever in Chino's vocals.

Dude, that is just wrong.

I'm serious! What am I supposed to be looking for? Help me out here. Dude sounds like just another Hed PE/Slightly Stoopid frontman on Adrenaline. ATF is rife with vocal melodies. Adrenaline just sounds like by-the-numbers nu-metal to me. I can't even hear these "intricate riffs" Steph is pumping out on Adrenaline.

It bores me senseless, and the only album of theirs I can't listen to over and over and over again.

I totally understand why you would disagree that adrenaline isn't their best album, but I don't understand you finding it laughable. Some people don't judge albums by vocal melody.  When deftones first came out, no one flocked to them because of insane vocal melody. It was raw, dirty, emotional and different. Many claim it sounded like every other numetal band at the time, but I beg to differ.

Anyways, there's tons of reasons to judge that cd, but I don't think melody is a strong criteria.

Speaking of melody, back to KNY

WORD.