Koi No Yokan thread

[Jacob]

god, no leak, and i have to suffer a fucking debate on Linking Park

Sigh, I die a little when I see these debates....and when people put a G at the end of Linkin.

Back to KNY. Pumped as fuck! Just pre-ordered and can't wait, I might not listen to the leak, depends when it comes out I suppose. Tbh, with what Chino has stated, Im not surprised people aren't leaking it haha.

yeah, because up until now everyone thought bands didn't mind their albums leaking. Chino changed all that, though. quite the revolutionist he is.

[gui]

and everybody reads ALL the interviews chino gives just like us.

[RaptureWS]

Exactly, people change. 10 years ago if you would have told me Imogen heap would be one of my favorite artist, I would have laughed and then punched you. Now I adore her.  ATF is still my all time fav album, and I do not believe that will ever change. While I would be thrilled to have an ATF 2.0, I know that part of me would be disappointed that I waited x number of years for a Deftones album that did not progress their sound. I think if they continued to make more aggressive music constantly, they would get burnout and so would many fans and media. it would reach a point to where they would have no funding to even be creative and write a record that THEY want to write. Maybe I am missing the point, but I love Cherry Waves as much as I love Lotion, and everything in between.

[lungdamage]

feel sick jed

[ghettovaquero]

heres my 2 cents on all of this madness.

Diamond Eyes: in my opinion it was a great bounce back album from the band after SNW and Chi's accident. It sounds cohesive. Has a certain fluidity throughout but it still misses in some aspects. It misses with tracks like "CMND/CTRL" "Prince" "This Place is Death" thats 3 out of the 11 tracks and these three were definitely forgettable in my opinion. could have been good b-sides.

SNW: This record had the potential to be great! but since it was recorded in a few different studios during different times as in some parts recorded and then revisited, cut edited re worked etc. the final mix sounds "cheap" terry date really spoiled us and the first 4 records are so crisp and clear. for an example listen to the vocals on "rapture". Forgettable tracks on this record are "FM-Rapture" "Pink Cellphone" "Kim Dracula" "Mein" and the instrumental track is cool but I remember chino saying it was added near the end of finishing the record it was on stefs hardrive and it was dusted off and made a late addition to this unorganized record. It would have been better as a b-side "finger of death" was a shocking omission a final version could have strengthened this record.

KNY: I honestly believe this will be a huge leap from DE. DE like i said was a nice "bounce back" record and caught alot of peoples attention again for the band ie: "casual fans" KNY will be a masterpiece due in part to the group gaining experience from those DE sessions and strengthening as a band with the additions of sergio and nick R. the producer.

[pony_01]

if there was no KoRn back in 1994, do you think deftones now still nu metal?

I don't think Korn made them change i think it was the other bands like Limp Bizkit that made them change because they were getting sick of being grouped in with that shit

Deftones were never nu-metal to begin with. They were only lumped into that ridiculous genre because they toured and were friends with the guys in Korn, Limp Bizkit, Sevendust, etc. But they were never nu-metal - which is why they are around now and the other bands are practically unheard of nowadays.

The things Linkin Park, Korn, & Limp Bizkit were doing were were nu-metal. They wrote themselves into a corner because at the time that shit was acceptable - but now rap-rock metal is lame and unoriginal. Everyone appreciated what those bands were doing then because it was cool, fresh, and new - now it's not.

As for Deftones, they were never restricted to that "nu metal" rap-rock bullshit - which is why they are still around and evolving. Essentially they were ahead of the game.

nu metal are just the media labeling these new generation of metal during the period 94-97, which is the years debut for korn deftones and limpbizkit, so, i'm agree that deftones started as nu-metal one, but since the media always comparing these bands, deftones just bounce off the scene..

[lungdamage]

you raise some good points

IMO prince reminds me of on ATF era track.. the croon in the chorus..? anyone?  'you've taken over-er-er'.... i'm not even sure if that's what he says... but this whole song gave me an atf vibe...

[DeftonesNZ]

some of you guys should realize it's not the 90's and nu-metal isn't cool anymore. I'm fucking glad Deftones managed to move away from that scene and show they're really capable musicians. some of you don't seem to appreciate that as much.

That's another problem...there's what I feel an epidemic of hipsters in metal.  Certain bands that people used to head-bang to in the 90's/2000's are automatically shunned now because a giant scene of metal/rock douche nozzles collectively decided it wasn't "cool".  There's a reason why "Be Quiet and Drive", "Lotion", "Around the Fur", "Engine No. 9", "Nosebleed" and "My Own Summer" are some of the best songs the Deftones have ever made...they just fucking rock.  They're aggressive, the riffs are killer, and they don't try to pull any punches.  The break-down in Be Quiet and Drive, as simple as it is, is just as magnificent for a lot of us the first time we heard it.

I get it...nu-metal was being flooded with "Crazy Town", and a parade of other sub-par to straight horrible bands that were devastating to the genre.  Instead of refining it, most bands (like Deftones, Linkin Park, Slipknot) decided to jump ship and venture out into uncharted territory. Linkin Park failed miserably (every album after Meteora was a disaster), Slipknot got a lot more technical and flourished, Staind started venturing into radio-friendly bullshit like It's Been Awhile *even though they completely redeemed themselves by returning to their 90's roots with their seventh album last year that fucking rocks*, and our boys  made White Pony and survived the early 2000's with their ground-breaking new material. 

Anyone left doing what they felt like doing were cast-aside as "lame", and then all the band wagoners jumped on the collectively awful dicks of bands like Taking Back Sunday...then they started gobbling the knobs of The Strokes, which lead them to throat-hug even more choad bands like MGMT and the such to show how avant garde and eclectic their musical taste was while listening to obscure death-metal bands from Bumblefuck, Europe that have an awe-inspiring career of 2.5 years...you guys get the picture.

YES.  Although, Linkin Park didn't pioneer shit.

Yeah linkin park came like ten years later,though i will agree on they went downhill majorlly after the first two albums

I know this isn't the thread to begin this debate but I think they went uphill after Meteora. 2min Nu-Metal songs? Nah sorry, doesn't interest me anymore.

..what have we become..

hah dont get me wrong don't like linkin park just if i had to choose their better,haven't listened to them since i was 13 lol

[lungdamage]

^ linken park vs who?

[pony_01]

you raise some good points

IMO prince reminds me of on ATF era track.. the croon in the chorus..? anyone?  'you've taken over-er-er'.... i'm not even sure if that's what he says... but this whole song gave me an atf vibe...

if chino do his whisper-to-scream vocals on kny, then it is automatically be atf 2.0
too bad he's obsessed with his high pitch vocals now but its good tho, lot of progress in this band..

[lungdamage]

you raise some good points

IMO prince reminds me of on ATF era track.. the croon in the chorus..? anyone?  'you've taken over-er-er'.... i'm not even sure if that's what he says... but this whole song gave me an atf vibe...

if chino do his whisper-to-scream vocals on kny, then it is automatically be atf 2.0
too bad he's obsessed with his high pitch vocals now but its good tho, lot of progress in this band..

i've got a good feeling about this one...

to be its own beast

[pony_01]

@lungdamage your profile pic made me miss dave chappelle. haha funniest guy ever

[lungdamage]

@lungdamage your profile pic made me miss dave chappelle. haha funniest guy ever

yeah i miss him too :/

[DeftonesNZ]

^ linken park vs who?

My bad was meant to be if i had to choose from their albums i would rate the first two as the best that being said i still rate them low in general lol

[ominousnimbus]

I'm not really a "fan" of any group being tossed around under the nu-metal moniker these past few pages, but I have to say that Korn probably deserve a tad more respect than to be laid alongside Linkin Park or, god forbid, Limp Bizkit. I don't own any of their records, but I admit Korn's sound at their peak (late 90s) was relatively unique and interesting. If anything, the contrived lyrics and posturing were all that really turned me off.

Also, nu-metal to me never really meant rap-metal ala Bizkit or LP, but more just power chord driven stuff like Staind or Taproot. Therefore, I can see where ATF fits into that genre. And at their core, Deftones have continued to carry elements of nu-metal ever since; they just have superior songwriting, production, lyrics, and Frank as a secret weapon. Not really anything to be ashamed of.

[DeftonesNZ]

I'm not really a "fan" of any group being tossed around under the nu-metal moniker these past few pages, but I have to say that Korn probably deserve a tad more respect than to be laid alongside Linkin Park or, god forbid, Limp Bizkit. I don't own any of their records, but I admit Korn's sound at their peak (late 90s) was relatively unique and interesting. If anything, the contrived lyrics and posturing were all that really turned me off.

Also, nu-metal to me never really meant rap-metal ala Bizkit or LP, but more just power chord driven stuff like Staind or Taproot. Therefore, I can see where ATF fits into that genre. And at their core, Deftones have continued to carry elements of nu-metal ever since; they just have superior songwriting, production, lyrics, and Frank as a secret weapon. Not really anything to be ashamed of.

That's my exact opinion on korn and i think nu-metal sort of absorbed that rap metal crap because of people who didn't really know metal labelling it nu-metal, so the likes of deftones were unfairly grouped in with bands like Limp Bizkit and that's why they made a conscience effort on white pony to detach themselves from the genre.

[kurtone]

You guys like Huey Lewis and the news?  Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

[sing blue silver]

[pony_01]

am i the only one that in love with Limp Bizkit's "three dollar bill"??
that was a masterpiece and the only GOOD album they ever put out in their career. i was have mad respect for fred, now im feeling sorry to him.

[DeftonesNZ]

am i the only one that in love with Limp Bizkit's "three dollar bill"??
that was a masterpiece and the only GOOD album they ever put out in their career. i was have mad respect for fred, now im feeling sorry to him.

Yes,Limp Bizkit is like a parody of metal