Koi No Yokan thread

[Jacob]

deftones are popular as shit, dunno what hes talking about. Granted they are no nickelback but still.

um, yeah. I got into them becuase I saw their videos on MTV (and Swedish video charts) and heard their songs on the radio.

ask any 16-year old today and I can almost guarantee the majority will know who Deftones are, but won't know of Soundgarden.

[Slacker]

for reason the imaginery of the movie, have stuck with me since i heard the song. so i decided to give it a go.

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[Teknoman]

After 2 weeks i think i have an opinion about this album.

1. Swerve City
This song is the easy one, sounds simple to your ears. Chino's soft vocal melodies fit in very nicely on the verses, an energic/bouncy chorus and then a solo (yes people that qualifies as a solo) that easily could be part of beauty school. (like it)

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

3. Leathers
Guitar and synths creates a dark but peaceful soundscape, then distorted guitars freaks you out with powerfull riffs during the verses followed by a more melodic chorus, Chino and Stef's guitars compliment each other on this song, quiet similar to what they did on Minerva. (like it)

4. Poltergeist
If there is a "beast" on this album its poltergeist, the distorted bass on this song makes this song sound like an 18-wheeler truck at full speed, Chino's vocal work fits in perfectly, excellent song. (love it)

5. Entombed
This song is the "Sextape" of KNY (a single for sure), Stef working the upper frets of his guitar is something we dont hear too often and on top of that he is using the tapping technique (a breakthrough for Deftones) the drum&bass beat very reminiscent of RxQueen and Frank keys are the perfect compliment, Chino's "new" vocal style is perfect for this song. (love it)

6. Graphic Nature
I find this song similar to Romantic Dreams in a way but as a whole this song sounds "fuller" than romantic dreams, i mean the song keeps the same "mood" through out the whole song, if that makes sense to you. It doesn't stand out too much for me tough. (Ok)

7. Tempest
I didnt like tempest not even a bit the first time i heard it 'cause it didnt sound like "deftones" to me but after hearing the whole album you hear this song with "different ears" (if you know what i mean), its all "new deftones" tough and I think that Chino's overuse of harmonic backing vocals is a big part of this new style. (OK)

8. Gauze
The intro increases the menace level by one, i'm like "wow, my ears are gonna be rapped xD" but then again the song changes its "mood" to a more mellow mid tempo song, i dont really like the singing parts of this song but the intro and the outro are great. (OK)

9. Rosemary
Epicness!!!! IMO this song has the Eros' spirit in its core, spacey guitar/synth intro then sergio's bass drags you to a darker room and stef's low tuned riffs closes the door, then the dreamy melodic chorus kicks in to shed some light on the darkness... and the final part of song where the heavy low tuned riffs reminds you where you were... great song!!! (love it)

10. Goon Squad
The dark but peaceful soundscape is here once again, suddenly the guitar goes louder and louder and then boom! an uber cool guitar/drums/bass kicks in and chino yells "I carve my naaame!" followed by a more melodic chorus, chino did it great on vocals on this song, also you can hear a meshuggah-ish solo on this song. (love it)

11. What Happened To You?
The melodic & peaceful song that closes this album where once again Stef uses the upper frets of his guitar making melodic guitar licks and complementing Chino's arpeggios. The guitar work on this song is very similar to what they acomplished on sextape. (love it)


PS. I am musician so im talking from a musical point of view (not lyrical).

[Rally Sweat]

The 'solo' on Goon Squad actually reminds me of early Young Widows for some reason (a good one I'm assuming!), minus the inevitable discord.

[DJR]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

[Teknoman]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

Lol...  no, its just that i don't really enjoy that song as much as the others but maybe i'll change my opinion later on, Deftones is the type of band that makes songs that you dont like at first but you end up loving after some time.

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[Slacker]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

Lol...  no, its just that i don't really enjoy that song as much as the others but maybe i'll change my opinion later on, Deftones is the type of band that makes songs that you dont like at first but you end up loving after some time.

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romantic dreams is easily the most overhyped/overrated deftones song...to date.

[976-EVIL]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

romantic dreams is easily the most overhyped/overrated deftones song...to date.

Wow Slacker, almost always agree with you and obviously respect your opinion but I gotta disagree big time with you on this one!

[BillyNo.9]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

Lol...  no, its just that i don't really enjoy that song as much as the others but maybe i'll change my opinion later on, Deftones is the type of band that makes songs that you dont like at first but you end up loving after some time.

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romantic dreams is easily the most overhyped/overrated deftones song...to date.

F'sho. It's like a lazy version of Passenger or something.
On a separate note, why does Chino have to use the same words so many times? He uses Sail too much, why does he want to Sail everywhere all of a sudden.

[DEFinatelydeftones,fsho]

hes been sailing since 2000 or earlier... where u been? lol

[BillyNo.9]

I guess he's just getting lazier with his lyrics and just using it more on the last 2 albums

[Vesanic]

Koi No Yokan lyrics are terrible to me... Overused shit. I miss Chino's innovations.

[jez rox kaluha]

Okay - re-review after a couple of weeks

1. Swerve City
Nothing about this song stands out, yes it is pretty "banging" as the kids say, but in the end they're playing one stock riff to the ground. It's simplistic, has no identity, no hook. The songs glides effortlessly between verse, chorus, bridge and middle eight. No high point.

2. Romantic Dreams
The intro riff is spot on. Great atmosphere, good sense of suspense. The track bounces almost randomly between its segments which makes it an insteresting package but a jarring experience nontheless. Features some cool, almost longing passages sung by Chino.

3. Leathers
Terrible verse, with another stock riff by Stef. It's almost like he doesn't care anymore. Chorus is just weird. It clearly is outside of Chino's comfort zone - it's almost annoying to listen to. Features some nice cymbal work by Abe in the outro.

4. Poltergeist
Another stock riff that at least radiates some energy and makes you want to move. For the first time on this record. Chino yells stoically, without emotion, without passion, without any kind of inspiration. The band does their best to fill the void Chino is creating with his lacklustre performance - with some intense and powerful drumming by Abe.

5. Entombed
A standout track in many ways. Sonically it sounds like it doesn't even belong on the record. Very dreamy, broad and almost completely placid. Almost falling off the kitsch cliff, the song barely makes it through. It sounds insincere in it's ambition of big emotions. Great, open chorus. Maybe too repetitive. Still good.

6. Graphic Nature
This song is almost not worth writing about. The drumming is good, but again the riff is so gooddamn stock, both rhythmically and the chord progression reek of 90s alternative standards. Song ends on a great note, though. The last minute sees Abe opening up and just pounding through the reminder of the song. Very bouncy - almost RATM like.

7. Tempest
Probably the only Deftones track that could qualify as an epic. 5 minutes of wall of sound, introduced by 1 minute of somber tones. I KNOW this song is supposed to feel apocalyptic and menacing but in reality, it does not. All the ingredients are there, they just don't gel. There are a few moments of greatness though. The bridge is fantastic, gaining momentum and a sense of impeding doom but dissolves in a chorus that is hampered by poor production. The drum sound in the chorus is so tinny, it sucks all power  right out of it.

8. Entirely unremarkable track. The verse again, is so stock, so devoid of any idea, it sounds like another alternative standard from the 90s. The chorus is nice, but not enough to make you want to sit through a minute of one of the most boring riff you have ever heard in your life. Chino is trying to infuse life by giving his melodies a little arabic twist - but fails miserably.

9. Rosemary
Another ambitious track. Very reminiscent of SNW and Beware in particular. The delay drenched guitar is nice, giving a nice spacious vibe.  But before you can fully appreciate this new sonic quality, Stef comes in. And start ploughing through the track with just 4 different notes. Man, can this guy become ANY lazier with his parts? I doubt it. Terrible. Wait till you hear the "heavy" break down. That's a band going through the motions, because one guy likes Meshuggah but doesn't understand what makes them great.

10. Another two tone snoozefest. At this point I'm not even sure if Stef is serious. Well, he sure is - because the refrain again is two chords! Maybe they should just roll with it and call themselves twotones. Abysmal showing. How uninspired can you be? Oh, I forgot. They tried to get a guitar solo in. HAHA. Yes. HAHA.

11. What happened to you?   
Yes. It's nice. And pleasant. Has some beautiful sounds. No edge. No idea. No cojones. Just nice. If I were a girl, I would friendzone it.

I took some heat for giving almost the exact same review last week so you're kinda my hero...this album's pretty unremarkable...and you're right about stef...we should be used to his habits of creating a wall of sound instead of actually, ya know, playing guitar but after 7 albums & being promised that they were stepping up their game like never before, I've never been more disappointed & feel I've officially outgrown this band...they're not subversive edgy or seductive anymore, just full of sound & fury signifying nothing

[976-EVIL]

Listen!!!   Chinos Lyrics are explained in the best opening Album track ever...ST

Hexagram.....it's the Same Sound, every self respecting Deftones Fan knows that. But the Groove remains the Same.

[lxix]

I dunno what ya'll are saying about not much promotion for KNY? They gave away the first track, had contests, been doing interviews, not to mention touring like crazy. They did the "signature" copies, constantly posting on Facebook, Instagram, etc. We all saw how greatly the anticipation of the leak was.. not to mention I've seen countless ads for KNY on YouTube & Spotify. They promoted the shit out of this album.

It really just comes down to the kind of band Deftones are - they aren't a huge mainstream, top 40 pop-hear them-on-the-radio 24/7-kinda-band like Green Day & Soundgarden (Thank God). So they aren't going to utilize media such as MTV & Fuse etc. They aren't that kind of band, and like what Chino said in a recent interview "We have a lot of die hard fans, as well as new fans. I think that our fans will buy our record, and Green Days fans will buy their record.. it's just how it goes."

Deftones are well known and regarded as successful musicians and a successful band. I think everyone knows what they're all about, and they respect that. 7th album, by now it just comes to word of mouth (which they have relied a lot on over the years) If they haven't already heard by now via ads on the internet and all the talk about KNY- anyone who needs to know or wants to know- will know that Deftones have an amazing new album out - and tell their friends to go buy that shit!

You're right, but I think having a video out before an album drops is a must. A video & a TV performance are the two things that grab an extra few thousand none Deftones fans, curious or new fans etc.

[Slacker]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

romantic dreams is easily the most overhyped/overrated deftones song...to date.

Wow Slacker, almost always agree with you and obviously respect your opinion but I gotta disagree big time with you on this one!

its cool dude, we are individuals.

i was listening on shuffle yesterday to the whole discography and the ATF stuff sounded so fresh...i see where people are coming from when comenting on steff's riffs...im missing his tastiness, since at least 2006 i used to be blown away by his stuff...there only a couple of songs that have been mindblowers on the guitar department since SNW.

the thing with this album...im not shure is chino is holding back steff, with all this guitar playing. im cool with the "less is more" argument and minimalistic its alright. but it still miss that wholeness that deftones had riffing wise, a constant throught the 1995 to 2003 era.

bring back the consistency. i miss the juice.

[TheShade1989]

2. Romantic Dreams
Interesting intro, cool/complex drumbeat during the verses, followed by a "bridge" that changes the rhythm/time signature of the song (this is getting too "bouncy") and then the happy-ish sounding chorus comes in changing the dark-ish vibe of verse. (Ok)

Ok?.......You craaaaazyyy mannnnn

Lol...  no, its just that i don't really enjoy that song as much as the others but maybe i'll change my opinion later on, Deftones is the type of band that makes songs that you dont like at first but you end up loving after some time.

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romantic dreams is easily the most overhyped/overrated deftones song...to date.

F'sho. It's like a lazy version of Passenger or something.
On a separate note, why does Chino have to use the same words so many times? He uses Sail too much, why does he want to Sail everywhere all of a sudden.

A lotta ppl who write (music, poetry, whatever) tend to re-use certain words for whatever reasons; they like how it sounds, they like the implications of it or the imagery, etc. The last three albums Chino seems to have been doing that. Maybe before that, but it feels more apparent on the last three albums.

Agree with Vesanic though...to an extent. I dont think they're terrible, but it's the only part of the album that I find weak-ish. But that's more a personal preference than anything else, since the style of lyrics has changed album-to-album in my opinion, and since my favorite style of lyrics is frm WP, I guess anything that deviates so much frm that is gonna be seen as weak, or not as good as it good be. But 12 yrs is a long time to change how you write.

[Vesanic]

Chino Moreno:

1995:
"I want to be much then more while I watch you."

1997:
"There's something about her long shady eyes, I'm all about her shade tonight."

2000:
"You move like I want to, to see like your eyes do, we are downstairs where no one can see a new like breakaway."

2003:
"As soon as you came in, all the beasts went away."

2006:
"She haunts the roads. She waits for a new face. I'll cut your armies down and turn your heart."

...

2012:
"I promise to watch and raise your babies."

LOL.

[Amoe38]

Okay - re-review after a couple of weeks

1. Swerve City
Nothing about this song stands out, yes it is pretty "banging" as the kids say, but in the end they're playing one stock riff to the ground. It's simplistic, has no identity, no hook. The songs glides effortlessly between verse, chorus, bridge and middle eight. No high point.

2. Romantic Dreams
The intro riff is spot on. Great atmosphere, good sense of suspense. The track bounces almost randomly between its segments which makes it an insteresting package but a jarring experience nontheless. Features some cool, almost longing passages sung by Chino.

3. Leathers
Terrible verse, with another stock riff by Stef. It's almost like he doesn't care anymore. Chorus is just weird. It clearly is outside of Chino's comfort zone - it's almost annoying to listen to. Features some nice cymbal work by Abe in the outro.

4. Poltergeist
Another stock riff that at least radiates some energy and makes you want to move. For the first time on this record. Chino yells stoically, without emotion, without passion, without any kind of inspiration. The band does their best to fill the void Chino is creating with his lacklustre performance - with some intense and powerful drumming by Abe.

5. Entombed
A standout track in many ways. Sonically it sounds like it doesn't even belong on the record. Very dreamy, broad and almost completely placid. Almost falling off the kitsch cliff, the song barely makes it through. It sounds insincere in it's ambition of big emotions. Great, open chorus. Maybe too repetitive. Still good.

6. Graphic Nature
This song is almost not worth writing about. The drumming is good, but again the riff is so gooddamn stock, both rhythmically and the chord progression reek of 90s alternative standards. Song ends on a great note, though. The last minute sees Abe opening up and just pounding through the reminder of the song. Very bouncy - almost RATM like.

7. Tempest
Probably the only Deftones track that could qualify as an epic. 5 minutes of wall of sound, introduced by 1 minute of somber tones. I KNOW this song is supposed to feel apocalyptic and menacing but in reality, it does not. All the ingredients are there, they just don't gel. There are a few moments of greatness though. The bridge is fantastic, gaining momentum and a sense of impeding doom but dissolves in a chorus that is hampered by poor production. The drum sound in the chorus is so tinny, it sucks all power  right out of it.

8. Entirely unremarkable track. The verse again, is so stock, so devoid of any idea, it sounds like another alternative standard from the 90s. The chorus is nice, but not enough to make you want to sit through a minute of one of the most boring riff you have ever heard in your life. Chino is trying to infuse life by giving his melodies a little arabic twist - but fails miserably.

9. Rosemary
Another ambitious track. Very reminiscent of SNW and Beware in particular. The delay drenched guitar is nice, giving a nice spacious vibe.  But before you can fully appreciate this new sonic quality, Stef comes in. And start ploughing through the track with just 4 different notes. Man, can this guy become ANY lazier with his parts? I doubt it. Terrible. Wait till you hear the "heavy" break down. That's a band going through the motions, because one guy likes Meshuggah but doesn't understand what makes them great.

10. Another two tone snoozefest. At this point I'm not even sure if Stef is serious. Well, he sure is - because the refrain again is two chords! Maybe they should just roll with it and call themselves twotones. Abysmal showing. How uninspired can you be? Oh, I forgot. They tried to get a guitar solo in. HAHA. Yes. HAHA.

11. What happened to you?   
Yes. It's nice. And pleasant. Has some beautiful sounds. No edge. No idea. No cojones. Just nice. If I were a girl, I would friendzone it.

I took some heat for giving almost the exact same review last week so you're kinda my hero...this album's pretty unremarkable...and you're right about stef...we should be used to his habits of creating a wall of sound instead of actually, ya know, playing guitar but after 7 albums & being promised that they were stepping up their game like never before, I've never been more disappointed & feel I've officially outgrown this band...they're not subversive edgy or seductive anymore, just full of sound & fury signifying nothing

tell me about it... i got so much hate for listening and  describing the album 3 months b4 it leaked ....and funny thing about it everyones explaning it the same way i did...

[bewareofrats]

2003:
"As soon as you came in, all the beasts went away."

I love this line.


Best lyric of Koi No Yokan right here:

"And brace for the glory as you stare into the sky"