Deftones Bullshit Thread

[DeftonesNZ]

Maybe in your country but we're I'm from we have pretty clean air, and humans are definitely not mean't to inhale smoke that's why you find it hard to breath and cough in smoke and your eyes start watering that's your body rejecting the smoke, there's a huge difference between using fire and directly inhaling smoke, hardly anyone even uses fire directly any more because of the side affects like smoke and I don't know who you're talking about with that generalisation of cultures but New Zealand's indigenous people even used to set up  their fires so the wind wasn't blowing smoke on them.

[SwerveCityUSA]

Maybe in your country but we're I'm from we have pretty clean air, and humans are definitely not mean't to inhale smoke that's why you find it hard to breath and cough in smoke and your eyes start watering that's your body rejecting the smoke, there's a huge difference between using fire and directly inhaling smoke, hardly anyone even uses fire directly any more because of the side affects like smoke and I don't know who you're talking about with that generalisation of cultures but New Zealand's indigenous people even used to set up  their fires so the wind wasn't blowing smoke on them.

I am indigenous to new Zealand, back up.

look up anything and everything you can on fire, don't even waste words.

[Jesus2Chino]

Cultural behavior and tradition is not the same thing as biological function. If our lungs were meant to inhale smoke, smoke inhalation would never be listed as a cause of death on an autopsy chart. Fire was an incredibly vital element in shaping modern society, insofar that it allowed us to settle in one place, fend off predators, protect ourselves from dangerous pathogens in our food, master metallurgy etc., but it has very little to do with the cultural commonality of getting intoxicated and altering your mind. Of course the inhalation of smoke is a fast way to become intoxicated, and one that was relatively easy to discover, but that's not to say it's at the root of mind-altering substance use.

Earth is also a vital element to human existence, but you wouldn't advocate inhaling a cloud of dust that you tossed into the wind. Obviously you wouldn't, because it's not good for you. On the other hand, if it was discovered that doing so altered minds, there more than likely would have been a cultural common of inhaling dust. That doesn't mean it's good for our bodies.

You're failing to distinguish between what you perceive as good for your mind, and healthful for your body. You can argue that marijuana expands your mind, and is thus a soul-satisfying substance, but you can't simultaneously say smoking tobacco is bad for your body, and smoking marijuana is good for your body. In conflict with yourself you've made the claim that we're meant to smoke, and that that is proven on a cultural basis, but that we're not meant to smoke tobacco. Tobacco smoking was a cultural adoption as well, and it's clearly not good for our bodies.

I hear what you're saying--carcinogens are all around us in todays society. That is very true. That does not discount the fact, however, that marijuana is one of them. I never commented on how concerned we should be about it, in fact, I specifically stated that there are more real, inherent dangers in life, but clearly to write off marijuana as being healthful just because you didn't cough when you first smoked it and because you haven't yet developed cancer from it's regular use is a little silly. I honestly feel like if you can't concede to some small degree that there may be truth to anything I'm saying, you're just being close-minded and stubborn. Once again, just my feelings on the matter.

Much respect,
-Matt

[Hank]

smoke pure sativa bred from queen born

live

[SwerveCityUSA]

Cultural behavior and tradition is not the same thing as biological function. If our lungs were meant to inhale smoke, smoke inhalation would never be listed as a cause of death on an autopsy chart. Fire was an incredibly vital element in shaping modern society, insofar that it allowed us to settle in one place, fend off predators, protect ourselves from dangerous pathogens in our food, master metallurgy etc., but it has very little to do with the cultural commonality of getting intoxicated and altering your mind. Of course the inhalation of smoke is a fast way to become intoxicated, and one that was relatively easy to discover, but that's not to say it's at the root of mind-altering substance use.

Earth is also a vital element to human existence, but you wouldn't advocate inhaling a cloud of dust that you tossed into the wind. Obviously you wouldn't, because it's not good for you. On the other hand, if it was discovered that doing so altered minds, there more than likely would have been a cultural common of inhaling dust. That doesn't mean it's good for our bodies.

You're failing to distinguish between what you perceive as good for your mind, and healthful for your body. You can argue that marijuana expands your mind, and is thus a soul-satisfying substance, but you can't simultaneously say smoking tobacco is bad for your body, and smoking marijuana is good for your body. In conflict with yourself you've made the claim that we're meant to smoke, and that that is proven on a cultural basis, but that we're not meant to smoke tobacco. Tobacco smoking was a cultural adoption as well, and it's clearly not good for our bodies.

I hear what you're saying--carcinogens are all around us in todays society. That is very true. That does not discount the fact, however, that marijuana is one of them. I never commented on how concerned we should be about it, in fact, I specifically stated that there are more real, inherent dangers in life, but clearly to write off marijuana as being healthful just because you didn't cough when you first smoked it and because you haven't yet developed cancer from it's regular use is a little silly. I honestly feel like if you can't concede to some small degree that there may be truth to anything I'm saying, you're just being close-minded and stubborn. Once again, just my feelings on the matter.

Much respect,
-Matt

no, no, no.


I'm tired, I woke up at 6 am, look what I've got myself into. those whose logic stems from illogic, not again! here we go I'll break it down one by one.

the first part was noise in which you concluded with inhaling clouds, I really don't know anything about that.

but on the matter of the psych. Yes "marijuana" is good for that, even in the case of those who it drives crazy. I would argue that Tobacco which is another sacred plant and is medicine as well doesn't kill everyone simply because they love it and it puts them in a positive frame of mind and relieves stress, that alone is what fights off cancer and other negativities, the mind is stronger than the body, that's not just a saying. but what is even more positive enhancing and been used for meditation since the beginning of time by all cultures (not going by wiki, that is) yes herb.

I would be weary as a tobacco smoker if I used it through government resources. Id grow my own and smoke it by rolling it from the bark of a tree, if I used it.

it's not the inhaling of smoke that's bad for you, are you kidding me? you inhale gas, by that logic you would drop dead, be brain dead, or write the things you write which sound elementary and cute at best. most of all they win people over because it simply sounds logical.

To me saying that we aren't meant to smoke the nice things we find on this earth is like saying we wernt meant to drink water. your not going to die of nothing if you don't do nothing. lungs are made for smoke, for that is what air is.

[DeftonesNZ]

Also let's not forget most weed is not sourced straight from a plant, weed is often cut in with other stuff by dealers for increased profits, this stuff can damage your lungs. It's not just a issue of the side effects of smoke. I know some dealers will mix stuff in or soak their weed to increase the weight and others will even mix theirs with a fine glass like substance to add weight and create an thc heavy appearance and this cuts the lungs causing all sorts of damage, I think they call it grit weed.

[SwerveCityUSA]

Also let's not forget most weed is not sourced straight from a plant, weed is often cut in with other stuff by dealers for increased profits, this stuff can damage your lungs. It's not just a issue of the side effects of smoke. I know some dealers will mix stuff in or soak their weed to increase the weight and others will even mix theirs with a fine glass like substance to add weight and create an thc heavy appearance and this cuts the lungs causing all sorts of damage, I think they call it grit weed.

ouch, thankfully I haven't had that. even more reason to get it off the streets, so people stop fuckin with it and giving motherfuckers a reason.

10 foot homegrown Delaware plants like Bob or no go. know whether or not your farming is done organically or not. NO GMO'S!

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah goes back to my earlier point about most of the bad stuff that comes from weed is because it's illegal, making it illegal doesn't stop people from doing it, it just means you have no means of regulating the products safety and the crime that happens because of weed isn't because people are on weed it's because organised crime and gangs get involved so you get stuff like dealer conflicts and all the other shit that comes with drug rings.

[SwerveCityUSA]

Yeah goes back to my earlier point about most of the bad stuff that comes from weed is because it's illegal, making it illegal doesn't stop people from doing it, it just means you have no means of regulating the products safety and the crime that happens because of weed isn't because people are on weed it's because organised crime and gangs get involved so you get stuff like dealer conflicts and all the other shit that comes with drug rings.

ya I feel that, but Its all the system they want it that way so they can call all those Indians the bad guys, I mean the "latinos" you know, Mexicans, Colombians, Cubans and so forth, and they aren't good guys either but they aren't the ones that make the rules either. we saw what this government did to JFK, they put together any scheme and even the people will know whats up and they still say "do something!" ok we'll vote replys the people.

[Jesus2Chino]

*Sigh*

I tried, but I'm done. To say smoke and air are analogous is silly. Smoke is a mixture of particulate matter in air--i.e., smoke is an additive to air, and it's the additive that's bad for you.

Kids get cancer and die, despite being positive, wide-eyed little things. Positive feelings, while undoubtedly helpful in the quest to defeat cancer, are not going to do it by themselves.

Inhaling gasses of different varieties will have different effects on your body. Inhaling cyanide gas for a prolonged period will kill you. Inhaling gaseous oxygen will not kill you, at least not at normal atmospheric levels. Also, because you seem unclear on the matter, smoke is not a form of gas, as previously stated. That's not some weird logic, that's just physical fact.

I didn't wiki a thing in response to any of your claims, and I doubt anything I said will come up verbatim or even in abbreviated form if you googled any of it.

Our bodies are specifically designed to process and survive off of water. Smoke plays not a single role in our biological functioning. If I were to never smoke, I wouldn't die. If I were to never drink, I would. There's a fundamental difference between the roles of water and smoke in our lives. Typing this I cannot even believe I'm having to argue this point.

To claim that marijuana smoke, or that on a even broader scale natural smoke in general, cannot kill you in excess is seriously asinine. That claim alone is proof of your unwillingness to open your mind to anything outside of your narrow belief system. I don't mean any disrespect, but you make it very difficult to be entirely respectful. It seems that that's a common response to your behavior on this forum. That's not because people are just naturally against you, and it's not because they're resistant to the "truth" you're spreading, it's because you're incredibly close-minded and people in general resist close-mindedness, especially in today's society. That is all I will say. Like I said, I'm done. It's not a discussion if one party is completely shut-off to embracing new and unfamiliar concepts, or at least accepting the possibility that those concepts may have validity to some degree.

Much respect,
-Matt

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah I agree those corrections, if you think your lungs are meant to inhale smoke and if you think smoke is the same as air try to stand in a room full of nothing but smoke and try breath, you won't get far. smoke is still a foreign product to our lungs.

[SwerveCityUSA]

*Sigh*

I tried, but I'm done. To say smoke and air are analogous is silly. Smoke is a mixture of particulate matter in air--i.e., smoke is an additive to air, and it's the additive that's bad for you.

Kids get cancer and die, despite being positive, wide-eyed little things. Positive feelings, while undoubtedly helpful in the quest to defeat cancer, are not going to do it by themselves.

Inhaling gasses of different varieties will have different effects on your body. Inhaling cyanide gas for a prolonged period will kill you. Inhaling gaseous oxygen will not kill you, at least not at normal atmospheric levels. Also, because you seem unclear on the matter, smoke is not a form of gas, as previously stated. That's not some weird logic, that's just physical fact.

I didn't wiki a thing in response to any of your claims, and I doubt anything I said will come up verbatim or even in abbreviated form if you googled any of it.

Our bodies are specifically designed to process and survive off of water. Smoke plays not a single role in our biological functioning. If I were to never smoke, I wouldn't die. If I were to never drink, I would. There's a fundamental difference between the roles of water and smoke in our lives. Typing this I cannot even believe I'm having to argue this point.

To claim that marijuana smoke, or that on a even broader scale natural smoke in general, cannot kill you in excess is seriously asinine. That claim alone is proof of your unwillingness to open your mind to anything outside of your narrow belief system. I don't mean any disrespect, but you make it very difficult to be entirely respectful. It seems that that's a common response to your behavior on this forum. That's not because people are just naturally against you, and it's not because they're resistant to the "truth" you're spreading, it's because you're incredibly close-minded and people in general resist close-mindedness, especially in today's society. That is all I will say. Like I said, I'm done. It's not a discussion if one party is completely shut-off to embracing new and unfamiliar concepts, or at least accepting the possibility that those concepts may have validity to some degree.

Much respect,
-Matt

everything you say is cliché what is new about it? your as good as a dare teacher, hypocrite. if those things you were saying were correct we would all perish already.

and hinting that I did a google *zack galifikankis voice* is saying there is actually weight or education to what I'm saying. there isn't, everything I'm saying is coming from experience, that thing which not even science can defeat. If what I said sounds like something, then I know this is just close mindedness and that in fact i'm the one with such broad ideas as you are the one regurgitating propaganda that even the reefer madness era didn't try. you would be there god.

if smoke is foreign to your body, so is the dick in your motherfuckin ass faggot. now go to the fridge and a eat a dick up. give a response again.

no respect.
unknown.

p.s. lol I know you all will take that last line to heart, I don't really talk like that.

[DeftonesNZ]

the basic fact is your body is designed to reject smoke you can even deny it it's just fact, there are even fine hairs in your throat that are their to remove smoke, the hairs get stimulated when smoke is inhaled and force the smoke back up away from the lungs and then the coughing reflex is activated to remove the smoke from your body, the only reason this doesn't happen to regular smokers is because they build up a coating over which covers the hairs.

[Hank]

All this started because Stef was pictured loving one of the many things he seems to love and someone pulled his card for acting like a kid for doing so.
"ACT LIKE YOU BEEN TO THE DANCE BEFORE" I guess...fuck it ..If you love something you should treat it like its new everyday. That's how you will appreciate it to it's fullest potential . The day you stop appreciating anything you love is the day it starts to die.

good for him

[DeftonesNZ]

Yeah it's ridiculous how far it's gone but you just look at some of these posts logic and just go "wtf how did they get there?"

[Penicks]

that was my point. loving weed and daily abusing it is for fucking teenagers.

[Hank]

oohhh ok I get it .

I really do.

[Hank]

This whole thing is really funny.

We all listen to these artist's that are probably blasted out of their mind off God only knows what when they make the music that we love and we relate to but yet discussions like this go on.

shit

loving weed and daily abusing it is for fucking teenagers.

So is judging people you don't know and their actions.

[DeftonesNZ]

Haha yeah to that first part as soon as he said that first comment I thought of that Bill Hicks thing from that Tool song where he's talking about drugs and musicians and that if you you think drugs are bad go throw out all your music because that was made by people who were really high.

[Caín]

*Sigh*

I tried, but I'm done. To say smoke and air are analogous is silly. Smoke is a mixture of particulate matter in air--i.e., smoke is an additive to air, and it's the additive that's bad for you.

Kids get cancer and die, despite being positive, wide-eyed little things. Positive feelings, while undoubtedly helpful in the quest to defeat cancer, are not going to do it by themselves.

Inhaling gasses of different varieties will have different effects on your body. Inhaling cyanide gas for a prolonged period will kill you. Inhaling gaseous oxygen will not kill you, at least not at normal atmospheric levels. Also, because you seem unclear on the matter, smoke is not a form of gas, as previously stated. That's not some weird logic, that's just physical fact.

I didn't wiki a thing in response to any of your claims, and I doubt anything I said will come up verbatim or even in abbreviated form if you googled any of it.

Our bodies are specifically designed to process and survive off of water. Smoke plays not a single role in our biological functioning. If I were to never smoke, I wouldn't die. If I were to never drink, I would. There's a fundamental difference between the roles of water and smoke in our lives. Typing this I cannot even believe I'm having to argue this point.

To claim that marijuana smoke, or that on a even broader scale natural smoke in general, cannot kill you in excess is seriously asinine. That claim alone is proof of your unwillingness to open your mind to anything outside of your narrow belief system. I don't mean any disrespect, but you make it very difficult to be entirely respectful. It seems that that's a common response to your behavior on this forum. That's not because people are just naturally against you, and it's not because they're resistant to the "truth" you're spreading, it's because you're incredibly close-minded and people in general resist close-mindedness, especially in today's society. That is all I will say. Like I said, I'm done. It's not a discussion if one party is completely shut-off to embracing new and unfamiliar concepts, or at least accepting the possibility that those concepts may have validity to some degree.

Much respect,
-Matt

everything you say is cliché what is new about it? your as good as a dare teacher, hypocrite. if those things you were saying were correct we would all perish already.

and hinting that I did a google *zack galifikankis voice* is saying there is actually weight or education to what I'm saying. there isn't, everything I'm saying is coming from experience, that thing which not even science can defeat. If what I said sounds like something, then I know this is just close mindedness and that in fact i'm the one with such broad ideas as you are the one regurgitating propaganda that even the reefer madness era didn't try. you would be there god.

if smoke is foreign to your body, so is the dick in your motherfuckin ass faggot. now go to the fridge and a eat a dick up. give a response again.

no respect.
unknown.

p.s. lol I know you all will take that last line to heart, I don't really talk like that.

Based on how and what you write, I think it's likely that you have a psychological problem. You should consider consulting a professional about it.