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[Hidalgo]

i've only heard one. but it sounds like a more mature deftones with the new adrenaline vibe. and since it is written in 92 maybe, i would guess there's a version that sounds like something on like linus. i don't know

yea, you don't know. and you keep saying korn influenced deftones like it's a fact, yet you're the only one on earth to say that. deftones nor korn have said this. deftones love talking about their influences and they never mentioned korn, even when it would have been cool to like 95-97 before FTL. judging by interviews and stuff korn and jon davis have always acted more influenced by deftones than the other way around. god's hands i think was the progression song to the heavier modern sound, and it's from FAR before korn existed. they played it in the live 1992 show that's out there. sounds just the same then, actually heavier live in 1992. they beat korn to the new sound not vise versa. 1992 korn didn't exist, they formed in 1993, deftones in 1988. god's hands could have existed in 91 90 or even 88. fact is it's from before korn. not that the 2 bands ever sounded alike, but deftones were onto the modern metal sound well before korn. they're known for progressing, and they started that adrenaline direction before korn was a band(and i like korn). root from the 1992 show is another example, it's real close to the adrenaline version. they were already heading the adrenaline direction before korn existed. adrenaline doesn't sound like korn anyway. jon never screamed like Chino. two very different styles, and senses of melody.  so enough with the deftones were influenced or copied korn stuff, cause it's just not there. the like linus stuff is killer, 88-92 era deftones, most of it is rock and roll/punk style. misfits kinda tunes, but better. badass tunes imo, far from a joke

http://youtu.be/qqiLGPUmZrU
god's hands/quirk 1992

http://youtu.be/qIxDmYEpGrs
root 1992


and this is just cause it's awesome, 1990 deftones! (does older footage exist of them?)
http://youtu.be/CHBEAtxLEQY

[from_musings]

they played it in the live 1992 show that's out there. sounds just the same then

haha NO. that's the thing... when chino sings on linus - he does it with a much deeper voice, sounds like elvis. let's call that elvis chino. on adrenaline he sounds much more vulnerable, sweet, tired and distant. let's call that vunerable-korn-chino. it's completely different chino's in my ears. the gods hand's version that we know got the vunerable adrenaline korn chino, the linus stuff's got elvis chino and adrenaline's got the vunerable korn chino. if the god's hand version we know was recorded before Linus like in 90 (vunerable korn chino) it would mean that when Linus was recorded 92 he said "fuck it, im just gonna sound like Elvis from now on." and when they later on would record adrenaline in 95, it would mean that he would say "nah fuck elvis, im just gonna make an entire record sounding like that old song god's hands again." it would be very strange that he would begin to sound like five years back again. the qurik live version totally got the elvis/linus vibe to it, nowhere near the vunerability like the gods hand version and adrenaline. i never thought he jump back and forth between eras like that, which automatically makes me believe that the god's hand version is a later recording. if it actually was recorded before linus then it would blow my mind. then they are pioneers. i thought it was well known that korn and deftones started the new metal thing for real, and to say that they don't have a similar ground is crazy.     again, this is always what i assumed, and when one assume one thing that makes sense, that becomes almost fact after a lot of years. i don't have an exact year for the gods hands that's out there and as long as i don't, i can't be sure.  songs do develop though.. oraled became bored, quirk became god's hands. do you think chino sings the same in engine9,7words in like linus as he does in those songs on adrenaline?

[BillyNo.9]

I don't think the "elvis" sound was a conscious decision, keep in mind he was still really young then, so his voice is obviously gonna sound different

[from_musings]

I don't think the "elvis" sound was a conscious decision, keep in mind he was still really young then, so his voice is obviously gonna sound different

he did say danzig influenced him though.. and danzig is called evil elvis. and it aint because of the looks

[BillyNo.9]

I don't think the "elvis" sound was a conscious decision, keep in mind he was still really young then, so his voice is obviously gonna sound different

he did say danzig influenced him though.. and danzig is called evil elvis. and it aint because of the looks

Okay you may be right. Could also be a Morrissey influence. Maybe he was just putting on that voice for confidence, what with still being a kid and all, I'm sue he'd have had some insecurities about his natural singing voice

[pony_01]

they should cover Ghost Town by the Specials

[from_musings]

[Hidalgo]

they played it in the live 1992 show that's out there. sounds just the same then

haha NO. that's the thing... when chino sings on linus - he does it with a much deeper voice, sounds like elvis. let's call that elvis chino. on adrenaline he sounds much more vulnerable, sweet, tired and distant. let's call that vunerable-korn-chino. it's completely different chino's in my ears. the gods hand's version that we know got the vunerable adrenaline korn chino, the linus stuff's got elvis chino and adrenaline's got the vunerable korn chino. if the god's hand version we know was recorded before Linus like in 90 (vunerable korn chino) it would mean that when Linus was recorded 92 he said "fuck it, im just gonna sound like Elvis from now on." and when they later on would record adrenaline in 95, it would mean that he would say "nah fuck elvis, im just gonna make an entire record sounding like that old song god's hands again." it would be very strange that he would begin to sound like five years back again. the qurik live version totally got the elvis/linus vibe to it, nowhere near the vunerability like the gods hand version and adrenaline. i never thought he jump back and forth between eras like that, which automatically makes me believe that the god's hand version is a later recording. if it actually was recorded before linus then it would blow my mind. then they are pioneers. i thought it was well known that korn and deftones started the new metal thing for real, and to say that they don't have a similar ground is crazy.     again, this is always what i assumed, and when one assume one thing that makes sense, that becomes almost fact after a lot of years. i don't have an exact year for the gods hands that's out there and as long as i don't, i can't be sure.  songs do develop though.. oraled became bored, quirk became god's hands. do you think chino sings the same in engine9,7words in like linus as he does in those songs on adrenaline?

he doesn't sing like elvis, that's retarded. he sang a bit like danzig, more old school rock punk.sounded great.  but yea the proof is in the pudding, that 1992 live version is exactly like the studio version, which could very well be from 92 or earlier. they'd be pioneers? where have you been? they've been pioneers all along. you'e the only one claiming the ripped off korn, which is pretty offensive, basically calling them frauds. adrenaline sounds nothing like korn. and wtf is vulnerable korn chino? that's in your own mind. by no means a fact. downright goofy actually. what's so wrong with giving this band credit for what they've done? they were well on their way to the adrenaline sound before korn existted. it's far more likely korn was influenced by them. i mean there's video evidence of deftones sounding adrenaline like before korn. and saying they ripped off korn in particular, when any number of 1,000s of bands could have influenced them, seems pretty thin. plus we already know their influences. saying that god's hand live 1992 sounds different than the studio version is ridiculous, and just you being hell bent on your retarded 'they ripped off korn" theory. even though the 2 bands never sounded alike in the first place. if adrenaline is Chino trying to sound like jon davis, he did a horrible job. not very similar all. let it go

i'm not speaking on the subject again, i've made my point

[spitfire]

they should cover Ghost Town by the Specials

The Prodigy Ghost Town

[from_musings]

hey hidalgo..do you think there is any difference in how chino expresses himself in like like linus and adrenaline? or do you think the form of expression is the same? does he sing in the same way? (big BIG difference to me)

1992) chino sings like elvis and make songs like gift with a fucking flute, dumb circus rap like freaks and straight up happy pop songs like venison and linus

1994) korn release their debut where jonathan shows a lot of sadness mixed with a lot anger to heavy metal guitars

1995) deftones release their debut where chino shows a lot of sadness mixed with a lot anger to heavy metal guitars

just saying

[Hidalgo]

ok 1992 god's hands and root, well on their way to the adrenaline sound. for all we know korn heard that and it influenced them , that's far more likely. Elvis? good god dude...

and alot of the linus stuff wasn't "happy", plastic, christmas, god's hands. pretty heavy and pissed. circus? WHAT THE FUCK? get ahold of yourself man

just like from atf to wp, they changed from like linus to adrenaline. to say it was because of korn is ridiculous, when there's video proof of them playing adrenaline style before korn existed. and who know how long after korn formed it took them to make their songs before deftones even heard them, all the while they continue to try different styles and sounds

i'm done with this silly subject. this is sad. deftones korn ripoffs? korn themselves would probably laugh at you for that

[from_musings]

ok so you think chino sounds like danzig but not elvis

about danzig: "As a singer, he is noted for his baritone vocal range and distinctive style, which has been compared to that of Elvis Presley"

well danzig is constantly being compared to elvis so...   

[from_musings]

i have an old interview on fucking tape somewhere, from 96-97 i think,where chino says that a lot of people who heard deftones the first time said "wow.. kinda korn?" and you can hear he's tired of it. steph interrups and says "we got our own vibe and they got theirs". according to chino himself, there were a lot of comparing, which probably is why he mention them as little as possible. korn were the bigger brother and deftones looked up to them at first but hated it later. that being said, deftones music will always be a gazillion times better, no matter who influensed who

[Hidalgo]

i like them both. deftones are better for sure. i think they're two very different bands who came with really original sounds. but unique in their own ways. i don't think either ripped off the other

i think god's hands was definitely recorded before korn's debut. and i hear the exact same sound in the 1992 live version, it's no different. i hope you brought your umbrela, cause it's raining cold hard facts in here

and they may have been the first to mix rap/reggae/metal. 88 answers. they've always brought the originality

think about how different tool sounded on opiate in 92 vs undertow in 93. did they rip off korn too? bands can try different sounds and change

[from_musings]

one little thing that says a lot is: listen to the way chino says "shut up you don't know me" in 7 words in like linus 1992. have in mind that korn release their debut in 94. then listen to how chino says "shut up you don't know me" on adrenaline. i hear a jonathan davis influense. suddenly that part is emo as fuck. that being said.. it's just a year and just a song.. but if god's hands "studio" version is recorded before korn's debut then it would actually turn my world upside down and change my view on deftones as a band. that means deftones had the adrenaline sound even years before adrenaline.i hope it's true (no i can't hear that emo shit in the 92 concerts)

[from_musings]

a couple of things that shows that the god's hand that we got (let's call it studio version) is recorded later, maybe in 1994, after the linus sessions, is:

1) in the live 1992 quirk,there' no alarming intro, the songs kick off right away.
in the studio version there is an alarm intro. in the 1994 live version - there's an alarm intro too.

2) in the 1992 live version - in the breakdown,the bassline is a little different. from 2:35-2:45
it's a different loop, for ten seconds, right before it becomes like the studio version.

if you listen to the studio version and the 1994 live song, those are the same. those two haven't got that
extra 10 seconds loop.seems deftones scrapped it.

3) in the 1992 live version he is shouting "shut up,shut up,shut up" repeatedly (2:10)

in the 1994 live version he says "shut the fuck... UP!" once. just like in the studio version


1992:  Deftones Rares - God's Hands (Quirk) Live 1992

1994: Deftones-God's Hand


so no hidalgo, the 92 version and the studio version, does not sound "exactly the same". how about listening to the music insted of just talking about it 

[from_musings]

it's also a lot more dist (guitar) in the verse in studio version and the 94 live song.

the 92 quirk version, got that guitar sound like in like linu's 7 words- not so much dist.

if you listen to god's hand 94 live, the studio version, it's got a lot more dist. just like the verse on 7 words on adrenaline got a lot more dist compared to the linus version. in 1994 they're moving towards their known deftones sound guitar wise, and started to sound more vunerable and less deep like danzig/elvis vocally

[from_musings]

i still just LOVE God's Hands. It's like the link between linus and adrenaline, mixing everything i love about both eras. I just love that song.

what is it with that god's hand version that makes you think it doesn't sounds 100% like a linus song? what's the adrenaline vibe in it to you?