Diamond Eyes sales and Deftones popularity?

[from_musings]

where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then, but i'd rather be wrong here so i don't care, hopefully it is 836k. i just know i saw the 520k numbers from expert sources and wrote it donw right then(yea i'm a deftones info nerd) that 836 number has no source, or does it? i'd much rather it be 836 k

i wished you had an updated more serious link or something ,with actual figuers to look at.Your math based on 4 year old numbers isn't good enough i think. mine could be wrong,maybe, but it's all we got for now it seems 

[Hidalgo]

most of the billboard, & blabbermouth articles that told the sales figures are long gone, but i still have this for what it's worth. it's from early Jan 07

[from_musings]

it's from early Jan 07

yeah but we have early jan 2011 round the corner, a four year old list isn't very updated.that page says adrenaline sold under platinum wich isn't true now.  Don't you have a link or something to an updated actual page? no offense but you could've made that list yourself even

[Hidalgo]

yea i'm way too lazy to make a list like that, and i'd have no clue how to make it look that real/official. plus i have no interest in lying about deftones facts to you fine people, that would just be retarded and pointless. it has adrenaline somewhat on the verge of platinum in jan 07, then in sept 08 it went platinum. i looked for some of the links from billboard but they're long gone now, i never saved those. i think the billboard article was actually about b-sides debut in oct 05 not snw, and it said s/t was at like 485k, so when i saw those 07 figues i was glas to see it in the 500ks, true gold sales. 836k would make me alot happier though

[from_musings]

i'd have no clue how to make it look that real/official.

actually that list looks real home made  but it may be accurate numbers anyway four years ago. Who ever made it.

[Hidalgo]

somebody posted it in here jan 07, and they had access to all the sales figures somehow, probably for any band. i think you have to pay for that kinda access on riaa or be in the business, or whatever. just regular joe schmos like us can't find sales figures unless billboard tells them in an article. that's why i saved it right away. i was really excited to see it. i bet the topic is still on this site. whoever posted it i think is long gone. there was also a site caled metal-sludge.com, and each week they'd show random metal bands sales figures, even random shit like w.a.s.p.'s exact numbers for all their albums, etc. someone who worked there, a chick i think had access,  and i got them to do a huge deftones update by sending tons of requests with different fake names. it's still in the archives, somewhere around aug-nov 04. the 07 updates looks like a very natural progression of the 04 update. i think the 07 list is very real

[from_musings]

still... it's old. And I think I know how you function. deep down,you don't want s/t to have those high numbers in sales, it's just bullshit. you search and want facts on that the self titled is a bad album according to most people, so poor sales and figures is an argument that you would use. so when a link says a total of 800.00 you almost seems irritated

[Hidalgo]

check this out. i reluctantly got them to do it

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39

[Hidalgo]

no, believe me, i'd rather s/t be at 800k+ or platinum, our 30 platinum for all their albums. i want the most sales possible for them. i just dispute what i think might not be correct. no s/t hate agenda here, cause i don't hate the album. i'd much rather be wrong in this debate. it's basically just the deftones nerd in me trying to get things right

[from_musings]

check this out. i reluctantly got them to do it

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1027&Itemid=39

ok thanks, but an updated list is still what we're looking for. that list is from 2004, shit's 6 year old. s/t had only been out for a little more than a year-- not very fresh numbers.we are still at square one with this.

[Hidalgo]

square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you

[UrZ*]

yeah hidalgo is pretty right about that..

shame though.. itunes(album)sales don't count for the total sales?...

[from_musings]

square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you

yes it probably is some random fan who posted on wikipedia, but from my point of view you're also a random fan,who counts and estimates from 4-6 years old lists.to me it's both as good/bad sources for a person to use. personally I'm at square one as long as I don't have a new updated list.
yes we need that list from someone in the business, or the terrorists have won.

[from_musings]

yeah hidalgo is pretty right about that..

shame though.. itunes(album)sales don't count for the total sales?...

i believe itunes(album) are counted in total sales

[Hidalgo]

square 1? not really, look at the natural sales progression, s/t didn't sell freakin 300k+ since 07, especially with how much worse record sales have got since then. it would have shown up in the billboard top 100 or 200 selling like that, and it was never in there after 03. i'm jusy saying what i'm presenting is much better logic than a random wikipedia number with no source any fan could have posted. i can't just give you an updated list, someone in the business has to do it, i'd like to see it as much as you

yes it probably is some random fan who posted on wikipedia, but from my point of view you're also a random fan,who counts and estimates from 4-6 years old lists.to me it's both as good/bad sources for a person to use. personally I'm at square one as long as I don't have a new updated list.
yes we need that list from someone in the business, or the terrorists have won.

well at least you know i'm not making the lists up, or i'd have made a new one. the terrorists just might win if somebody doesn't come strong with a new liznist

[Hidalgo]

i have noticed alot of deftones billboard charting is all out of wack on wiki lately. it says digital bath peaked at #3, when #16 is the truth. says bts made top 20, not true. says ystb is #18 now, well i looked and didn't see it. some fan went in and changed alot of facts with bs.

[BillyNo.9]

Ha...

[derekautomatica]

yea, albums don't sell worth a piss these days. that's actually a fairly big number these days. thst would be the equivalent of about 600k 10 years ago

As the years progress the number of "tangible" album sales will drop substantially. I mean, every time I get in a friends car they don't have CD cases; they have auxiliary cables going to their ipods. Basically, CD's are on the road of becoming obsolete. Now, they'll always be around no doubt. But people aren't going to a record shop any more to buy CD's. Why leave home when you can download it off of the internet?

[from_musings]

i think that 836k number is way way off, i dunno where it came from but i can pretty much guarantee that if we got the real numbers for s/t it would be around 600,000. which is good,

According to Chino - s/t is close to platinum,something he said in aug 2010 to altpress.

(http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/the_class_of_2000_chino_moreno_on_deftones_white_pony/)

Alt.press: "Isn't White Pony the last Deftones record to go platinum?"

Chino: "Yeah, I think it is. Actually, I think the self-titled record is close to going platinum. I never got a platinum record for it. The only platinum plaques that I have are Adrenaline and White Pony."

@Hidalgo "close to platinum" isn't 600.000 copies, i'd say "close" is around 800.000- 900.000 copies

where's the source of your source? mine was hitsdailydouble.com, and billboard. they said 520k right before snw came out. about impossible to sell 300k from then

well either it is possible or your homemade lists sucks

[pissedandpierced]

The biggest show they've ever done here is at Wembley Arena after S/T was released and I'm pretty sure that album didn't do as well as DE is doing at the moment. They've been playing the same size venues over here for a while now and I doubt DE will send them into popularity where they need to start headlining bigger venues than Brixton Academy for example.

The biggest show they ever did in the UK was at London Arena on the Back to School tour.