DEFTONES 2.0?

[Penicks]

if it's not 2003, he's not interested

that's not true, i love 2000 as well

[BillyNo.9]

Everybody loves 2000

[wheresmysnare]

Deftones are certianly a lot more predictable these days as far as live performances are concerned, you know what your going to get, but thats not really a bad thing, as what they are offering is a pretty tight gig.

Compare Chino's vocals to ST and SNW live performances and you can see how hard he's worked to get there. The rest of the band have always been pretty tight.

When you consider that Deftones could have folded following Chi's accident and the lukewarm recpetion of SNW, you gotta admit Deftones 2.0 is a pretty awesome alternative.

[Vesanic]

I don't know man... I'd take Chino's vocals from late 2003 over the actual ones anyday, even though he couldn't hit the highest notes. There was just something deeper in his voice.

[wheresmysnare]

2000 -2003 yeah chino sounded more like his old self than he has done since...

but I don't know man I can't make it through a live performance of beware from the SNW era. I know what he's trying to sing but his voice fails so much it actually sounds painful to me and i'm a fan!

I think Chinos soft breathier vocals are all there right now in DE, really controlled, but when he tries to sing more aggresively, for example on royal and cmnd ctrl, his voice sounds shrill, which makes it difficult to listen to, but thats all the vocal damage. Overall i think he's working really well with his vocals considering the past injuries, it sounds like he has had to adjust a lot and develop methods to hold notes better and that can't have been easy.

It's crazy going back to the original deftones demos and hearing how silky his voice was back in the day

[Vesanic]

No doubt about that, man. 2006 was just horrible.

About the actual vocals... Actually, Chino uses the exact same technique he was using during the SNW era, the fact is that, being thinner gives him more stamina, and thus, more chance to hit his vocals correctly. But saying that he's perfect now is totally ridiculous. He still misses lots of things. It's all about the diaphragm, man. Chino has always been a throat singer, but during the old days, he was able to use his diaphragm to make it up for the hardest vocals. Now, he just seems to have forgotten what a diaphragm is...

[Hidalgo]

he used to have realy nice range, especially in the like linus days. he lost the consistent high notes in early 01 i'd say. 2010 seems like the most effort he's put in to sound really sharp in a long time

[pony_01]

i hate that chino cant do rap anymore. now he sounds so ugly when he rap man.

[bodywars9000]

i hate that chino cant do rap anymore. now he sounds so ugly when he rap man.

I don't know if you were serious about that or not, but i actually agree in a way. Of all the rap done in rock, Chino was the best cuz he had his own flow. Not like Fred Durst or others with their "dudda dudda dudda-sky...dudda dudda dudda why...dudda dudda dudda lie...dudda dudda dudda DIE!!!" mad/sad/glad/dad nursery rhyme rapping styles.
Take a song like Lotion (one of my all time faves) for example...Chino is essentially rapping, however, somehow he makes it work without rhyming AT ALL WHATSOEVER. And yet imo it still works, and quite well might i add (so much intensity!!!). It's because of his flow. Chino's flow/flows are such that even in songs where i can't decipher wtf he's saying at all (like any rapping on adrenaline except for minus blindfold, bits of e#9, and 7 words, wexcept for the ending which mostly i can't make out), even then it just SOUNDS cool. Again, just my opinion, but i think in his prime, Chino was better than most rappers out there, and definitely more original, and I MISS THAT
Guess that's why i really love CMND/CNTRL, even though i know many of you dislike it. It's the first time in years and albums that he has used that kind of delivery, at least it's comparable.

Deftones, yes yes, gangsta rap, yes yes, fucking woohoo, yes yes.

[pony_01]

i hate that chino cant do rap anymore. now he sounds so ugly when he rap man.

I don't know if you were serious about that or not, but i actually agree in a way. Of all the rap done in rock, Chino was the best cuz he had his own flow. Not like Fred Durst or others with their "dudda dudda dudda-sky...dudda dudda dudda why...dudda dudda dudda lie...dudda dudda dudda DIE!!!" mad/sad/glad/dad nursery rhyme rapping styles.
Take a song like Lotion (one of my all time faves) for example...Chino is essentially rapping, however, somehow he makes it work without rhyming AT ALL WHATSOEVER. And yet imo it still works, and quite well might i add (so much intensity!!!). It's because of his flow. Chino's flow/flows are such that even in songs where i can't decipher wtf he's saying at all (like any rapping on adrenaline except for minus blindfold, bits of e#9, and 7 words, wexcept for the ending which mostly i can't make out), even then it just SOUNDS cool. Again, just my opinion, but i think in his prime, Chino was better than most rappers out there, and definitely more original, and I MISS THAT
Guess that's why i really love CMND/CNTRL, even though i know many of you dislike it. It's the first time in years and albums that he has used that kind of delivery, at least it's comparable.

Deftones, yes yes, gangsta rap, yes yes, fucking woohoo, yes yes.

actually im glad that now he dont make any rap style anymore, but after 2006 when they did performence for example like engine no.9 or back to school, his rp style sounds really ugly.

[bodywars9000]

Yeah i agree. It sounds like shit. I just like the way he USED to do it.  Also although it's very different, i like the attitude and delivery he uses on the verses of cmnd/cntrl.

[from_musings]

i hate that chino cant do rap anymore. now he sounds so ugly when he rap man.

I don't know if you were serious about that or not, but i actually agree in a way. Of all the rap done in rock, Chino was the best cuz he had his own flow. Not like Fred Durst or others with their "dudda dudda dudda-sky...dudda dudda dudda why...dudda dudda dudda lie...dudda dudda dudda DIE!!!" mad/sad/glad/dad nursery rhyme rapping styles.
Take a song like Lotion (one of my all time faves) for example...Chino is essentially rapping, however, somehow he makes it work without rhyming AT ALL WHATSOEVER. And yet imo it still works, and quite well might i add (so much intensity!!!). It's because of his flow. Chino's flow/flows are such that even in songs where i can't decipher wtf he's saying at all (like any rapping on adrenaline except for minus blindfold, bits of e#9, and 7 words, wexcept for the ending which mostly i can't make out), even then it just SOUNDS cool. Again, just my opinion, but i think in his prime, Chino was better than most rappers out there, and definitely more original, and I MISS THAT
Guess that's why i really love CMND/CNTRL, even though i know many of you dislike it. It's the first time in years and albums that he has used that kind of delivery, at least it's comparable.

Deftones, yes yes, gangsta rap, yes yes, fucking woohoo, yes yes.

cmnd/ctrl is awesome. i also like the rap/rhythmic singing on prince on the "and you can't stop now, rung by rung almost out.." part. i'm glad he doesn't abandon that style totally because it's a part of them i think. but he has stopped moving like a hip-hopper on stage which probably comes with age

[Vesanic]

You should listen to some of the 2004's performances of Engine No. 9, Lotion or any song including some rap parts. They had to play those like waaay slower than usual in order to prevent Chino from struggling haha.

[from_musings]

You should listen to some of the 2004's performances of Engine No. 9, Lotion or any song including some rap parts. They had to play those like waaay slower than usual in order to prevent Chino from struggling haha.

chino on stage rapping on lotion in a couple of years

[Vesanic]

Hahaha, good one. Seriously though, check it out...

Engine No. 9 - Earthlink Live, Atlanta, Georgia, USA - October 15th 2004

http://www.goear.com/listen/1d9a26c/engine-no-9-live-2004-deftones

[BillyNo.9]

I love his rapping. I didnt really notice it when i saw them this year,but ido remember engine no.9 sounded fucking tight

[from_musings]

Hahaha, good one. Seriously though, check it out...
Engine No. 9 - Earthlink Live, Atlanta, Georgia, USA - October 15th 2004

haha some kind of slow stoner version.

btw, here's fred durst rapping "break stuff" on stage: