DEFTONES 2.0?

[Vesanic]

he ruined his voice in 2001 ... you can hear it clearly on the live performances of music in high places show.the dvd when they jerk around in hawaii. his voice constantly cracks at that gig

Wrong. If you check out the acoustic set, you can hear his voice was strong as fuck. In between the two sets, his vocal chords got irritated but the melting stones smoke and gas.

His voice was getting better in Autumn 2003, he was getting back to hitting the high notes and the screamings from 2003 are the most monsterous ones I've ever heard from Chino. He still had " it ", he just didn't take care of his voice and now it's fucked up forever.

[bodywars9000]

Yep.

[from_musings]

he ruined his voice in 2001 ... you can hear it clearly on the live performances of music in high places show.the dvd when they jerk around in hawaii. his voice constantly cracks at that gig

Wrong. If you check out the acoustic set, you can hear his voice was strong as fuck.

I have that dvd, no he has to struggle at some of those songs too. listen and watch him sing the go get your knife part at knife prty, he has to struggle  

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"Vocal Damage

In 2001 Moreno developed a throat injury due to heavy screaming and was forced to miss at least four shows. He suffered inflammation on his right vocal cord and partial paralysis of the left vocal cord. During the rest of their supporting tour, Chi Cheng took over vocal duties that required screaming while Chino sang the softer melodies of the lyrics, despite recommendations by doctors to hold off from singing to allow time for recovery as well as rumors that the band would be cancelling the remaining stretch of the tour with Godsmack and Puddle of Mudd. [2]"

wkipedia    also, check him singing digital bath at the jay leno show in 2001. he's doing the same thing there

[Vesanic]

Chino has always been a throat singer, that's why.

Besides, during an acoustic session, you don't allow your voice go the way you let it go onstage surrounded by tons of electric
noises. Combine these two things and it gives a voice that cracks when the voice itself hasn't got any problem.

I mean, check out the Change video, his notes are as clear as crystal, on the acoustic version at least.

[from_musings]

Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

[Vesanic]

Chino had a vocal irritation during the 2000's winter White Pony tour, you can hear it on every performance from that era. The Jay Leno performance was on February 2001, that means, the same era. The tour finished on March 2001 if I'm correct. I would say that the Live In Hawaii was recorded between March 2001 and June 2001. His voice got better from the previous irritation from the winter White Pony tour, but got fucked up by that fucking smoke, like I said.

The severe vocal injury we all heard about occurred on July 2001.

[from_musings]

Chino has always been a throat singer, that's why.

Besides, during an acoustic session, you don't allow your voice go the way you let it go onstage surrounded by tons of electric
noises. Combine these two things and it gives a voice that cracks when the voice itself hasn't got any problem.

I mean, check out the Change video, his notes are as clear as crystal, on the acoustic version at least.

Do you mean his voice cracks because there is electronics on stage?  they had electronics on the around the fur gigs too, no damaged vocals

[Vesanic]

Nah, that's not my point. I wish I could express better, my English sucks balls, I know.

[from_musings]

Nah, that's not my point. I wish I could express better, my english sucks balls, I know.

Don't worry, it's my bad...  im just slow in my mental process 

[bodywars9000]

Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

Dood, again, if you dismantle my post, sentence for sentence, it's pointless. I also at no point mentioned his clothing or hairstyle, nor do i advocate him throwin' up gang signs and shit. Although, the almost "Emcee" aspect of Chino i think is/was one of the things that seperates him from other frontmen. I'm not a big hip-hop or rap fan, but some of those guys really did know how to get the crowd hyped and involved, and i think that's integral. Most if not all "rock" frontmen just don't know how to do that. Chino himself in a 97 interview that Sly posted on youtube says that he really tries to get the crowd into it. He feeds off them and vice versa, basically. By the way he never stopped doing that, he does that to this day. IMO much better than the "Are you fuckin' guys ready to get fuckin' crazy!!!??? Hello Cincinatti!!!" approach of many others.
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[from_musings]

If you check out the acoustic set, you can hear his voice was strong as fuck. In between the two sets, his vocal chords got irritated but the melting stones smoke and gas.

Chino sounds the same in music in high places as in the back to school apperance at the Jay Leno show,.that voice sound is the same as when his voice breaks in digital bath, jay leno show. personally I think it is something other than gas and stone but I don't know. all I know is that the voice screwed up long before 2003, that was my point 

[from_musings]

Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

Dood, again, if you dismantle my post, sentence for sentence, it's pointless.

ok sorry. it was a long read, maybe i should have read it more slow and again. i thought i commented on the two big things in all that text

[bodywars9000]

No worries.
And yea you did, it's just that the last quote you edited just so happened to be followed by: .....HOWEVER....
It's all good man.

[Deftones-argentina]

Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

He feeds off them and vice versa, basically. By the way he never stopped doing that, he does that to this day. IMO much better than the "Are you fuckin' guys ready to get fuckin' crazy!!!??? Hello Cincinatti!!!" approach of many others.
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That's right. He has a good way of making the audience part of the show without being an hypocrite about it.

[UrZ*]

the acoustic renditions on Hawaii are dubbed. Chino had a cold there, u can hear it in the interviews too.

[pinkmaggit69]

Back to School was the Conan O Brien show, and that was the worst I've ever heard his voice.  The screams were awesome, the singing/rapping was not.  I remember hearing he had doctor's orders not even to talk that day or something.

[Frankz0r]

I couldn't read all that. That's some kind of 'spamming text'. Don't even know what's this thread about. Yep I'm drunk.

Be specific man, write less shit.


With love, F.

[bodywars9000]

Sorry that you have trouble reading.

I'll be more succinct next time, thank you for your constructive criticism.

I truly appreciate the time you took to share your feelings.

BTW tell your mom i'm sorry the condom broke.

[from_musings]

I think we have Mr.The more the merrier Vs. Mr less is more.

Sometimes an opinion or view can get lost in cyber if there's too much chatter around the main thing. At the same time- if a person is writing too brief about something, the opinion sometimes can't be expressed properly. Both extremes causes confusion.

So I'm for the middle thing of the two. that's why I'm mr diplomacy

[Vesanic]

that's why I'm mr diplomacy

My irony-o-meter just exploded.