The UK tour setlist

[lukas989]

Saw the Glasgow gig (took my time getting my thoughts up here I know), and was very impressed - the show as a whole was extremely enjoyable.  I was however a bit surprised they didnt play one song from Saturday Night Wrist...myself and my special ladyfriend listened to that record on a regular basis, and were looking forward to swaying gently whilst singing along through wide grins to these tracks we had enjoyed together through those happy times.  But alas - totally shunned.  How come?

[Vesanic]

Lots of people here have been wondering that, me included.

We have no real answer to that, but we can have a pretty precise idea... Since they started their 2010's tour, Deftones almost haven't played anything from Saturday Night Wrist. The only song from that record we saw on the setlist was Hole in the Earth, and yet, not often.

I talked about it with Juan, their assistant. He told me that, first of all, they haven't rehearsed that album at all, so they never took the risk to put the songs on the setlists. Also, he told me that the general band opinion about the album is pretty mixed. It's not that they think it sucks, they like it, but as you may know, it was recorded in some really hard conditions and context. I guess it brings back lots of bad memories. Plus, it's their most experimental album to date, take all the things I mentionned and that, and you can guess that Deftones are afraid of its live rendition. They're not confident about that album at all.

This week, they started adding back some songs from this record (Xerces & Kimdracula so far, I witnessed Kimdracula myself). Also, I had the privilege to see them soundcheck Combat. They're not forgetting about this record at all, they're just really afraid of what it sounds like when played live.

[lukas989]

Oh yeah apologies...forgot about the wonder of search - but much thanks for the swift reply in spite of this   I wondered if it was a Chi related decision, totally understandable obviously.  Just from a selfish viewpoint I was really looking forward to seeing them perform Cherry Waves, Mein and so on.  Moreso my girlfriend, whos a much newer fan than me, and is way more familiar with that record than any of the others - on the plus side she did enjoy the gig nonetheless. 

[from_musings]

They have played and tested most songs from SNW during their career so they know how they sound live when those songs are rehearsed. Hole in the earth,rapture,beware,cherry waves,mein,xerces,rats,kimdracula have all been played live. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong but its select /start, pink cellphone, combat, and riviere they haven't play anywhere? They probably have chosen not to rehearse SNW-songs because that album sold poorly and is regarded as their worst by, not all, but most people, so why play it you know.

I don't think deftones just play what they like themselves so much, more playing what the paying visitors are expected to like. chino 'r really tired at 7 words but sings it all the time anyway 

[Vesanic]

They do both, actually. They have to play some songs to please the audience, the younger fans, they must play the singles too. But they also choose the songs THEY want to choose.

[Vesanic]

They have played and tested most songs from SNW during their career so they know how they sound live when those songs are rehearsed. Hole in the earth,rapture,beware,cherry waves,mein,xerces,rats,kimdracula have all been played live.

Yes but even during the SNW era, the setlists weren't really full of SNW songs. Chino said himself that Combat didn't sound good live (which I beg to differ, hehe). But anyway, seeing how the setlists have been changing lately, we might expect more and more stuff from this album. Finally.

[yeah]

This discussion made me put Combat on...

[lukas989]

Interesting its mentioned that poor album sales may have influenced the neglect of SNW - music gets more and more fickle by and large anyway, so I would have strongly doubted the 'tones would have decided 'not enough units, means no airing'.  Whether or not people think its their weakest album, its by no means such a rapid departure from the sound they've honed over the years for a large number of fans to go as far to hate it and abandon the band.  I personally think its right up there battling for their best to date.  The 'tones are a band who have a full catalogue of extremely strong records - a very very rare thing...especially nowadays.

[from_musings]

I exaggerate to prove a point: if everyone in the band would like a song, but everyone in the audience would dislike it - the deftones would probably not play it. but if everyone in the band disliked a song, but knew everyone in the audience appreciated it, they would play it anyway (7 words for example) because they tour around the world to entertain people, not to entertain themselves in the first place. That's why they don't play snw, they kinda know it's not that appreciated among listeners.

But although I think snw is far from what they are capable of, compared to their other records, I do believe that material from all albums should be played in order to cover all the periods of their career. for the overall feel of the set. and throw in a b-side once in a while! we talked about lovers,I would be excited to hear it live. we're talking serious fap-time  

[Vesanic]

They're already taking their time to play stuff from their official albums, so let's not talk about the b-sides, haha. I wonder if they will ever pull off some stuff from B-Sides & Rarities again

[from_musings]

Chino said himself that Combat didn't sound good live (which I beg to differ, hehe)

I know right.. I cant see why it would sound worse than any other song live. not really a complex song.. not difficult to express in terms of instruments or hard notes to hit or sing for chino. I bet it would sound super  

They're already taking their time to play stuff from their official albums, so let's not talk about the b-sides, haha. I wonder if they will ever pull off some stuff from B-Sides & Rarities again

You're right.. the more albums they release - less chances for b-sides live. Personally I like rarities live, they could do it especially when playing in clubs, where there are many hardcore fans. at festivals, I understand they avoid it.

[Vesanic]

Chino said himself that Combat didn't sound good live (which I beg to differ, hehe)

I know right.. I cant see why it would sound worse than any other song live. not really a complex song.. not difficult to express in terms of instruments or hard notes to hit or sing for chino. I bet it would sound super 

I just know that when SNW had just dropped, Chino wasn't able to do his vocals and guitar parts on this song... But it just needed some more time. They soundchecked Combat in front of me three times in Antwerp, and fuck, Chino's definitely ready for that.

[Penicks]

they soundchecked combat? oh lord.

[Vesanic]

Read my story about the Antwerp show in the live guide.

[DEFinatelydeftones,fsho]

Chino said himself that Combat didn't sound good live (which I beg to differ, hehe)

I know right.. I cant see why it would sound worse than any other song live. not really a complex song.. not difficult to express in terms of instruments or hard notes to hit or sing for chino. I bet it would sound super 

I just know that when SNW had just dropped, Chino wasn't able to do his vocals and guitar parts on this song... But it just needed some more time. They soundchecked Combat in front of me three times in Antwerp, and fuck, Chino's definitely ready for that.

Lucky dog! I do think it has it's "high" moments as far as vocals go, but we all know Chino can munipulate these areas very well throughout history. Love this song and hope to hear or see it one of these days here in Detroit or here at SL.

[DEFinatelydeftones,fsho]

Interesting its mentioned that poor album sales may have influenced the neglect of SNW - music gets more and more fickle by and large anyway, so I would have strongly doubted the 'tones would have decided 'not enough units, means no airing'.  Whether or not people think its their weakest album, its by no means such a rapid departure from the sound they've honed over the years for a large number of fans to go as far to hate it and abandon the band.  I personally think its right up there battling for their best to date.  The 'tones are a band who have a full catalogue of extremely strong records - a very very rare thing...especially nowadays.

Well put, indeed guy. It was and still may be too far of a jump for the "average" fan from self titled, but i'm with you on that, exacltly. I even had to glance at it more often than the previous records and I adore it today.... women love that record even, and the women i'm speaking of barely know who they are or what they've done.

[Law]

You'd have thought they could have knocked out one track from it, but if they don't feel comfortable then fair play, since we all want to see a tight ass Deftones show rather than a load of fuck ups if that would be the case. Beware is the one I wanted. More Stef on keys would be interesting for the future.

Anyway, WP is more experimental, IMO, I remember when WP and we were all like WTF!

[from_musings]

Well put, indeed guy. It was and still may be too far of a jump for the "average" fan from self titled

No drama, but I think saturday night wrist will get off the hook too easy if you mean snw's relatively bad reputation only depends on how the albums before it sounded. There's alot to say about chino's voice on snw, the production,the flow of the album,the lyrics,song material and so on...... you know- the record itself.

women love that record

I'm not familiar with that study. how many girls participated in it? remember that two drunk girls at a party who howls "put on cherry waves!! *hick*" isn't a good enough. haha j/k. I don't know, maybe it's true that chics dig it ^^