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[godin]

I think it's the raging stupidity on this board as well (i.e. the KFC thread). Don't get me wrong there are some pretty intelligent people on this board, but the majority can't even form a comprehensive sentence, let alone an argument. It's easy to get angry and turn into an asshole.

To be fair, there are alot of people on here whos first language is spanish or something (and other languages) that don't speak English in their day-to-day lives.

[Jacob]

yeah, let's blame it on the Mexicans. they're truly dragging this place down.

[Necrocetaceanbeastiality]

yeah, let's blame it on the Mexicans. they're truly dragging this place down.

Fucking lol.

[chick de la lynch]

I think it's the raging stupidity on this board as well (i.e. the KFC thread). Don't get me wrong there are some pretty intelligent people on this board, but the majority can't even form a comprehensive sentence, let alone an argument. It's easy to get angry and turn into an asshole.

To be fair, there are alot of people on here whos first language is spanish or something (and other languages) that don't speak English in their day-to-day lives.

It's pretty easy to tell between people who are non-English speakers and the people who can speak English but still can't manage to form a sentence. Either way it's the latter I have a problem with, not the former.

And it's Cinco de Mayo today! Let's celebrate the Mexicans!

[Necrocetaceanbeastiality]

Bout to go get trashed at a mexican restaurant I hear has good margaritas. They're 5 bucks, which seems like an alright deal to me.

[bebo]

I hope you have a dd for that thing

[blixa]

animals shmanimals, give me some god damned fucking steak

i've actually never had steak. ever. it's highly unlikely that i ever will.

[sing blue silver]

animals shmanimals, give me some god damned fucking steak

i've actually never had steak. ever. it's highly unlikely that i ever will.

you haven't lived. can't knock it til' you've tried it.

[blixa]

animals shmanimals, give me some god damned fucking steak

i've actually never had steak. ever. it's highly unlikely that i ever will.

you haven't lived. can't knock it til' you've tried it.

hahaha it's alright. i have no interest in eating steak. my grandfather was a pig farmer so meat had been really big in my family. when i turned vegan a lot of things changed. the amount of meat my family eats now has remarkably decreased.

[your sister gets me hard]

This place has always been faggy, fags.  More people were assholes back in the day which made it funnier.  A lot less whiners years ago as well.

To the OP, eat a dick.

[derekautomatica]

This place has always been faggy, fags.  More people were assholes back in the day which made it funnier.  A lot less whiners years ago as well.

To the OP, eat a dick.

yeah back when this board was on deftones world there were some assholes...i can vouch for that.

[mrs_swa]

animals shmanimals, give me some god damned fucking steak

+1

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[alvarezbassist17]

yeah yeah, we know it's the internet and no one gives a shit but people want to make this place different so people saying, "it's just the internet" doesn't cut it.

So you're saying you think we should only talk about butterflies and puppies and rainbows and pat each other on the back just for existing?

Talking about shit that matters naturally turns a conversation into a large debate because we're human. We're opinionated. It's in our nature to defend our beliefs.

You cite the KFC thread as an example of people being immature and incapable of having a discussion, but everyone WAS having a discussion. You just chose to ignore the people that were actually saying something of merit because they disagreed with you. Corey, for example, posted these huge long replies explaining the things he believes and you would reply with something that ignores everything he said that mattered. And then, to top it off, the first time someone said something in your defense, you praised that person and said something along the lines of it being a "mature and articulate response". Sure a few people were intent on berating you for no real reason, but still, can't you either a) not respond to that or b) respond in a way that isn't "you're wrong for believing differently than I"? Do you not think that that will make the situation worse? You were fueling the fire, not extinguishing it.

And you're all acting as if there was a time in the history of SL/Deftonesworld of complete peace with no assholes and nobody trying to get a rise out of people. If you think otherwise, you're sadly mistaken. In case you don't remember, I happened to be on the receiving end of the most shit I've ever seen anyone take on here (except perhaps, Ross) and do I give a shit? No. It's the internet. You can either converse, have fun, and give people shit, or you can get all personal and bitchy and cry. One is fun and cool and friendly and one just makes people annoyed at you.

And Mariam, I wouldn't expect you to be so completely blinded by your own feelings as to not realize how much of a self-righteous asshole you were being.

And now that I've been serious for once...



...penis.

Jesus, thank you Josh.  Thank you so much, the narcissist in me was thinking this whole thread was about me haha.  I'll admit I get a little incensed and come off condescending at times, but I do try not to just make rash statements without explaining myself and put as much effort as my schedule allows into being coherent and intellectually consistent.  But yeah Josh not to get all faggy and shit but I totally appreciate the support.  I'm glad to see someone can tell that I'm not just trying to blow smoke up people's collective ass.

I also totally agree with your latter point, there has always been a minority of assholes here (and you've been a mighty fine convert, I mustn't neglect to mention haha), but I also can't remember the board without people bitching about how it's "changed" or "full of dicks and spammers now wahhh."  And to be completely honest, the arguments are one of the only things that draw me to this section of the board anymore.  Not to say it's bereft of benefit to anyone, that's just my personal experience.

oh, i read them, i just didn't feel like repeating myself so i didn't say anything because i didn't feel like dragging it on. he was talking about other things, which were important, but i was strictly speaking about factory farming. i stated my opinion on the matter. if that makes me self-righteous than that's fine. i am vegan and i try to live my life as ethically as possible. i think that totally makes me self-righteous to others, and i don't even have to open my mouth to speak. i'm already an arsehole to you. i don't really care to be honest. i've been called the worst of the worst by people because i hold strong convictions. i was an animal rights activist and i spent a lot of time around elitist vegans, but believe it or not, i'm not as much of an elitist as they are. i don't even tell people i'm vegan anymore because they attack me straight away and get really defensive around me. it's fine if you don't want to agree with me, but i'm not going to change my opinion and belief about people who eat meat because i have a right to that opinion. reading those two, three responses didn't make me want to go back there and talk it out with them because i felt that there was no point. there were exceptions as there always are (corey being one of them), but the majority of people didn't respond very maturely. i didn't say that anyone who didn't agree with my opinion was wrong, i obviously thought the majority of people would be against factory farmed meat but i suppose that is not the case.

there has never been a time where there were no arseholes. that's why these threads pop up all the time. if people did try to be more civil in their responses, well, that would be nice, but that's not going to happen due to the unstable nature of the internet. i don't expect people to talk about rainbows, sunshine, and lollipops. if they want to then that's fine.

Pretty sure we both touched on a few more topics than merely factory farmed meat, and pretty sure I was talking about factory farmed meat too, I was just trying to explain how it has to do with economics.  I think you'd have a huge leg-up on anyone FOR your cause if you would just learn those arguments I'm making for reforms that would actually work and change things for not only animals, but humans as well.  But he's right, you really did ignore everything I said that mattered to the arguments, no wonder you and Nailec get along so well.

[blixa]

i did read your posts. i just didn't feel like responding to them at that point and didn't go back. but if you want to talk to me about them, go ahead. we can do it here because i'm not going back to the kfc thread. irregardless of the lack of knowledge i have about american economic reforms. i will do my best. i know a bit via cross-reference points with our economic system here.

to tell the truth, i'm more interested in sustainability. advocates of sustainable agriculture find common ground in criticising the polluting practices of factory livestock feeding operations but i found that when it came to minimising the ecological costs of keeping the country fed, the definition of sustainability ran the ideological gamut. agriculture is losing the family farm run model, where the farmer was the owner of the farm and animals, and provided the management and the labour. i know that this is true in america. they've lost the whole model of a farmer really being a farmer. i believe that raising animals for consumption is never truly sustainable, whether the livestock is force fed in feedlots or grazed over bucolic pastures. relatively "natural," small scale livestock production may avoid the most obvious environmental impacts of factory farms, but in the long run these methods are still far from sustainable, simply because they are not an efficient use of natural resources. and this is just me thinking outside of animal rights and my belief that animals are not food. oh shit, who would've thought.

i'm aware that having respect and compassion for animals is not enough to alter economics and the supply chain. i'm very aware of that. i can't remember the argument you were making but go on...

[alvarezbassist17]

I'm confused as to what you mean by sustainability.  I think environmentalists, etc. have a way different definition than the way I construe the term.

The main thing I don't think environmentalists understand is that their cause and ideologies have been hijacked by statists and socialists.  They now believe that the only way to fix this problem is centralized control and regulation from people who "care more," when the people who end up in those positions are really only interested in control.  The reason everything is so fucked up now, the reason that it's too expensive to farm "sustainably," and why you don't see very many individual or family farms anymore is for a myriad of reasons, every single one of them to do with incentives or disincentives placed by the government.  First and foremost, when you have a government that taxes at exorbitant rates while taxing through inflation of the monetary supply (and the United States is taxed very, very heavily through this means), a society is not going to have the collective wealth to be able to lend to a farmer so he can increase his productivity so he can either sell more cheaply to more people, or sell at the same price and use the extra money to invest in a more sustainable or humane production process.  Right now, in the situation that at least the United States (and much of Europe) have put themselves in, because of the insanely high level of taxation (federal corporate tax rate in the US is already 35%), regulation, the ethanol boondoggle and farm subsidies, the only people that can afford to farm are the giant corporate entities that can clamor for the subsidies the fastest, and they're the ones that get complained about by your counterparts in government.  But it is the people of the very same vein that brought this situation about.

So it's all the fault of the government, as in nearly every bad aspect of society.  I'm not altogether informed about your other political views, but someone like Nailec would (unintentionally of course, his heart's in the right place, but he lacks a fundamental understanding of free markets and economics as well as the law of unintended consequences) have us live in a society where we're all either clamoring to get our basic necessities, whether it be working far longer hours than in our current, pre-bond bubble society, or just having the government steal it from the rich.  This is what is called a zero-sum society, and it's plaguing Europe very heavily at the moment, because the creation of wealth has taken a backseat to the redistribution of it, which is not sustainable by my definition of it.  Unfortunately, that is the trend that we've been heading in for the last hundred years (the politics of envy infiltrating everywhere), and once the bond bubble pops in the US and we see hyperinflation, it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better.  Sorry, sort of got off on a tangent there, but you see what I'm saying.  Making society poorer, which is the only thing that centralized regulation and redistribution can do, will not help the animals or the environment.  That's why I'm saying that statists and socialists have hijacked your cause, because that's the only kind of "solution" I hear from the environmental movement, and I get very incensed because I'm under the impression that history has proven that statism and socialism do not work and are immoral to an extreme degree.  The only way we're going to be able to afford to treat the animals in a more humane manner is through progress in society, and nothing ceases that process like socialism, statism, Democrats and Liberal Republicans.  Did you watch that video I posted?  If my arguments are unclear still, he addresses a lot of them within it.

And let me clear up again for anyone else that the government, when it's not SOLELY protecting private property rights, individual rights, and its country from outside force, is a burden (at best) on society.  It's not as if there are two sectors with their own resources; the government sector can only remove resources from society and distribute them elsewhere, but it doesn't make society better off in the long run, because those distributions are inherently arbitrary.  I'd gladly explain this concept in more detail if anyone wanted.

[Necrocetaceanbeastiality]

to be completely honest, the arguments are one of the only things that draw me to this section of the board anymore.

I couldn't agree more.

And this is vaguely related to the whole farming thing, have either of you seen DIRT! The Movie? It's a pretty interesting documentary on the de-evolution Earth's soil and the terrible, terrible things our farming processes do to it.

And I just wanted to say that while I agree that factory farmed meat is wrong, I don't believe that a handful of people saying "HEY MEAT INDUSTRY! You're doing it wrong so I am going to stop eating meat!" is going to change ANYTHING for the better. Vegetarians have existed FAR longer than factory farmed meat has and to think that going vegan or vegetarian will benefit anything other than your ego is pretty silly to me.

[janedoe*]

[alvarezbassist17]

to be completely honest, the arguments are one of the only things that draw me to this section of the board anymore.

I couldn't agree more.

And this is vaguely related to the whole farming thing, have either of you seen DIRT! The Movie? It's a pretty interesting documentary on the de-evolution Earth's soil and the terrible, terrible things our farming processes do to it.

And I just wanted to say that while I agree that factory farmed meat is wrong, I don't believe that a handful of people saying "HEY MEAT INDUSTRY! You're doing it wrong so I am going to stop eating meat!" is going to change ANYTHING for the better. Vegetarians have existed FAR longer than factory farmed meat has and to think that going vegan or vegetarian will benefit anything other than your ego is pretty silly to me.

Word, I just don't see how people don't get that if farmers didn't have to give 30-50% of their income to the government that they would be able to afford to not fuck up the dirt or to be able to use more humane, environmentally friendly methods and still be able to stay in business and produce an affordable product.

[sing blue silver]

to be completely honest, the arguments are one of the only things that draw me to this section of the board anymore.

I couldn't agree more.

And this is vaguely related to the whole farming thing, have either of you seen DIRT! The Movie? It's a pretty interesting documentary on the de-evolution Earth's soil and the terrible, terrible things our farming processes do to it.

And I just wanted to say that while I agree that factory farmed meat is wrong, I don't believe that a handful of people saying "HEY MEAT INDUSTRY! You're doing it wrong so I am going to stop eating meat!" is going to change ANYTHING for the better. Vegetarians have existed FAR longer than factory farmed meat has and to think that going vegan or vegetarian will benefit anything other than your ego is pretty silly to me.

Word, I just don't see how people don't get that if farmers didn't have to give 30-50% of their income to the government that they would be able to afford to not fuck up the dirt or to be able to use more humane, environmentally friendly methods and still be able to stay in business and produce an affordable product.

oh, mmm, yes, quite right.



bewbs

[Now Im Nothing]

its been a while since ive been on but im not likin how this site is now back then ppl were actyally nice and chill now its filled with assholes.
y is it that ppl r bein mean to others this is supposed to bring us together because we all share somethin in common!
me and another member talked about this last night.

your grammar fucking sucks, dude.