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[Jesus2Chino]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

Kind of a weird thing to say...as a Deftones fan...

Like I said before, you should really stop trying to objectively determine some albums as being better than others; it's not possible, and no opinion you have on the matter is right or wrong. It's music, not math. If there was a way to write music that was objectively better than other music, everyone would like the same albums universally across all artists, as those albums would have a higher value of goodness than all others. The reason this is literally never the case is because what music is good and what music isn't is ENTIRELY subjective.

That being said, ATF through to S/T, that was the golden age of Deftones. Nah just kidding. But no really. Nah. But yeah. This is my subjective opinion, and it doesn't matter if anyone else agrees or disagrees, as it won't ever be more wrong or right than anyone else's. You can argue, and disagree, and insult people as much as you want over their subjective opinions, but you're literally just wasting energy, time, and life. It won't change their opinion of anything but you.

Much respect,
-Matt

[DeftonesNZ]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

It's a weird thing they attract intelligent people who are in to the band for what they do musically but they also attract a ton of "stupid" fans who are really more fixated on Chino then the band or their music, anyone who has seen some of stupid stuff on the FB groups knows what I'm talking about.

[ANattyRat]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then. They might prefer it because of the rawness or the fact that it was such a unique sound back then, or maybe they associate it with a good time in their life, etc. Same applies to all their albums. If you hate clean, polished-sounding music, you're not going to prefer Diamond Eyes or Koi No Yokan over Around the Fur or the self-titled album, are you? But that doesn't mean they're their worst albums, it's just about what people are looking for.

Everyone's opinion is valid, but they are still just opinions. The only stupid thing is when people say "____ isn't a REAL Deftones album" just because it doesn't have the sound they expect. Deftones have never stuck to a specific genre or set of rules, they make whatever they want. If you hate it, that's no big deal, but it's still Deftones.

[from_musings]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then.

I don't think stephen has evolved that much since adrenaline (which had awesome riffs) on the contrary, it's rather the opposite of that. to quote cain on kny: it's like stephen isn't even trying anymore.

[DeftonesNZ]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then.

I don't think stephen has evolved that much since adrenaline (which had awesome riffs) on the contrary, it's rather the opposite of that. to quote cain on kny: it's like stephen isn't even trying anymore.

I don't think so, for a while he just settled into power chords but on the last record he incorporated more techniques like tapping and tremolo picking, definitely not complex stuff but it shows he's moving in  the right direction, I have high hopes he's continued that on the new album especially after seeing that long interview where he talks about how seeing people on youtube has inspired to become a better guitar player and pursue further training.

[from_musings]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

[DeftonesNZ]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

Yeah there's some in goon squad aswell, not sure it's actually tremolo picked or whether it's an effect but it has a tremolo sound anyway, also not sure who wrote it Chino may have I know he plays it live atleast.

[Capt Snow]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

Maybe you should actually listen to Deftones albums a little more before you start shitposting.

[Inkblades]

So much stuff that I disagree with on the last two pages, but I'm not really going to change the minds of anyone, so I won't even bother. Plus, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I will respect that...

PSYCH!

KNY IS IN THEIR TOP THREE ALBUMS AND EQUAL TO WHITE PONY?



ADRENALINE IS BETTER THAN ATF?



PALMS IS BETTER THAN S/T, SNW AND TEAM SLEEP?



*runs out of thread*

[from_musings]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

Yeah there's some in goon squad aswell, not sure it's actually tremolo picked or whether it's an effect but it has a tremolo sound anyway, also not sure who wrote it Chino may have I know he plays it live atleast.

stephen used tremolo picking back in 1995 on the 7 words b-side/promo "please please please let me get what i want" so using that again 17 years later isn't that evolving i think. the power chords on adrenaline is far more bad ass than the powerchords and hitting that lower string on an 8-string guitar a la rosemary on kny. most of the kny riffs sounds so dull and inspired. like i said, entombed is a song that is something new.
but that one song isn't enough "proof" that he is constantly evolving growing and improving since the adrenaline days

[Inkblades]

Also, tremolo picking or not, that main riff on Entombed gets really repetitive.

[DeftonesNZ]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

Yeah there's some in goon squad aswell, not sure it's actually tremolo picked or whether it's an effect but it has a tremolo sound anyway, also not sure who wrote it Chino may have I know he plays it live atleast.

stephen used tremolo picking back in 1995 on the 7 words b-side/promo "please please please let me get what i want" so using that again 17 years later isn't that evolving i think. the power chords on adrenaline is far more bad ass than the powerchords and hitting that lower string on an 8-string guitar a la rosemary on kny. most of the kny riffs sounds so dull and inspired. like i said, entombed is a song that is something new.
but that one song isn't enough "proof" that he is constantly evolving growing and improving since the adrenaline days

I'm aware of that and having played all the albums on guitar Adrenaline is still the hardest to play just because of the speed and subtle changes my comment wasn't really talking about his development overall, I agree he hasn't developed much as a player over his career what I was talking about is his playing on KNY vs the preceding albums like DE and SNW which were simpler, basically even though his playing has been pretty basic for a while KNY is a step in the right direction.

[N0S3BLEED976]

Also, tremolo picking or not, that main riff on Entombed gets really repetitive.

True, however I think it's more the sum of their parts what makes their music so great and appealing to me, nowadays. In the earlier years it was really just guitar, bass and drums, so it was up to Stephen to create the memorable melodies in their music. But now that they have Frank on keys and synths and Chino as an additional guitarist he can take a step back and focus on playing what he really prefers, which is playing rhythm guitar. Sure, his riffs have gotten simpler, but with everyone else playing together their instrumentation as a whole has become more complex and layered.

[DeftonesNZ]

Also, tremolo picking or not, that main riff on Entombed gets really repetitive.

Yeah it's not the best I feel it fits the song as it is but he could have added more to the song by developing the riff but it's a good sign for me because it shows he may be reassessing his playing and looking at other ways he can play, Chino may have written it but I like that Stephen may be picking up his guitar and doing something outside what he is automatically drawn to, could be Chino talking bullshit but if there is some truth to the "we're forcing ourselves to take songs in less obvious directions" thing then it could be a good writing environment for him to do something new.

[from_musings]

Also, tremolo picking or not, that main riff on Entombed gets really repetitive.

But now that they have Frank on keys and synths...

i see your point,i just want to say and clarify that frank did stuff on all of their records.

[N0S3BLEED976]

Also, tremolo picking or not, that main riff on Entombed gets really repetitive.

But now that they have Frank on keys and synths...

i see your point,i just want to say and clarify that frank did stuff on all of their records.

I know, but come on, he only has a pivotal role in the band since White Pony

[from_musings]

"we're forcing ourselves to take songs in less obvious directions"

can also mean that they're pushing themselves into a territory they can't handle

[Diplo]

And that's would be great.

I agree with so many post in this thread... I really think they have improved them as musicians in a wayAnd that's would be great.

I agree with so many post in this thread... I really think they have improve them as musician in a way but it's not individualy, they have improved themselfs as a group. Just listen Noosebleed and then Entombed, Im not saying wich one is better, it's just not the same thing, but the way it's written it's a proof of maturity.

Also I want Abe to be more present, since snw (where he was sooo good) I dont know it lacks something not individualy, but  have improved themselfs as a group. Just listen Noosebleed and then Entombed, Im not saying wich one is better, it's just not the same thing, but the way it's written it's a proof of maturity.

Also I want Abe to be more present, since snw (where he was sooo good) I dont know it lacks something

[RavinVsFlud]

I'll just put this right here

Deftones' Chino Moreno Rig Rundown Video & Live Footage Available from theprp

https://youtu.be/DQ1oq7qfd_0

[Jesus2Chino]

Really interesting and clean setup. And dang, his vocal is on point these days.

Much respect,
-Matt