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[Hidalgo]

i don't see how s/t is their best. really only this little message board would agree to that. it's only an opinion, & outside this site it's not close to their best album poll wise. it's an awesome album no question, but it's near the bottom for me(but deftones worst albums are still great, so no big deal)

i'd rank them like this

around the fur
white pony
adrenaline
diamond eyes
like linus (i feel these old demos are so badass and deserve to always be mentioned, for me at least. awesome)
koi no yokan
self titled
saturday night wrist

i would put crosses, & palms ahead of s/t as well. team sleep's 2005 album barely behind it

counting Chino's other 3 albums it would be like this

around the fur
white pony (virtual tie with atf)
adrenaline
crosses
diamond eyes
palms
like linus
koi no yokan
self titled
team sleep (2005)
saturday night wrist

holy shit Chino makes some awesome music. i love all these albums

[rainnyx4]

If you can't see how lazy the songwriting is on S/T, you're not looking at it objectively.  They overused and rehashed certain sounds and riffs on that album that made it monotonous and a lot of those songs don't even have proper bridges because again, they would get 3/4 the way through writing a song and just call it a day.

[Jesus2Chino]

One man's lazy is another man's cohesive, haha. Best, worst, whatever--people will almost always choose their favorite albums based on the emotional response they elicit. S/T does it for me, but I can see how it might not for others. I don't think there's a whole lot of room for objectivity when deciding which albums are your favorites.

Much respect,
-Matt

[Martin]

people will almost always choose their favorite albums based on the emotional response they elicit.

Exactly.

ATF does it for me.

[rainnyx4]

WP=Adrenaline=KNY>ATF=DE=SNW>S/T

White Pony, Adrenaline and Koi no Yokan are all pretty much perfect albums with unique and fleshed out ideas on them.  Around the Fur, Diamond Eyes, and Saturday Night Wrist are nearly perfect.  They each have some problems whether it be some redundancy or rehashed sounds or disjointed production.  Self-Titled just wasn't written as well as the other albums.  It had some great ideas on it and Anniversary is a top five Deftones track but the laziness was definitely there.

[Penicks]

Koi no Yokan pretty much perfect album with unique and fleshed out ideas

Diamond Eyes nearly perfect

[Capt Snow]

WP=Adrenaline=KNY>ATF=DE=SNW>S/T

White Pony, Adrenaline and Koi no Yokan are all pretty much perfect albums with unique and fleshed out ideas on them.  Around the Fur, Diamond Eyes, and Saturday Night Wrist are nearly perfect.  They each have some problems whether it be some redundancy or rehashed sounds or disjointed production.  Self-Titled just wasn't written as well as the other albums.  It had some great ideas on it and Anniversary is a top five Deftones track but the laziness was definitely there.

[from_musings]

Koi no Yokan pretty much perfect album with unique and fleshed out ideas

Diamond Eyes nearly perfect

[rainnyx4]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

[Freedomsoldier17]

all the albums are good in their own way

[Jesus2Chino]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

Kind of a weird thing to say...as a Deftones fan...

Like I said before, you should really stop trying to objectively determine some albums as being better than others; it's not possible, and no opinion you have on the matter is right or wrong. It's music, not math. If there was a way to write music that was objectively better than other music, everyone would like the same albums universally across all artists, as those albums would have a higher value of goodness than all others. The reason this is literally never the case is because what music is good and what music isn't is ENTIRELY subjective.

That being said, ATF through to S/T, that was the golden age of Deftones. Nah just kidding. But no really. Nah. But yeah. This is my subjective opinion, and it doesn't matter if anyone else agrees or disagrees, as it won't ever be more wrong or right than anyone else's. You can argue, and disagree, and insult people as much as you want over their subjective opinions, but you're literally just wasting energy, time, and life. It won't change their opinion of anything but you.

Much respect,
-Matt

[DeftonesNZ]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

It's a weird thing they attract intelligent people who are in to the band for what they do musically but they also attract a ton of "stupid" fans who are really more fixated on Chino then the band or their music, anyone who has seen some of stupid stuff on the FB groups knows what I'm talking about.

[ANattyRat]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then. They might prefer it because of the rawness or the fact that it was such a unique sound back then, or maybe they associate it with a good time in their life, etc. Same applies to all their albums. If you hate clean, polished-sounding music, you're not going to prefer Diamond Eyes or Koi No Yokan over Around the Fur or the self-titled album, are you? But that doesn't mean they're their worst albums, it's just about what people are looking for.

Everyone's opinion is valid, but they are still just opinions. The only stupid thing is when people say "____ isn't a REAL Deftones album" just because it doesn't have the sound they expect. Deftones have never stuck to a specific genre or set of rules, they make whatever they want. If you hate it, that's no big deal, but it's still Deftones.

[from_musings]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then.

I don't think stephen has evolved that much since adrenaline (which had awesome riffs) on the contrary, it's rather the opposite of that. to quote cain on kny: it's like stephen isn't even trying anymore.

[DeftonesNZ]

At the end of the day, it depends on your preferences. Some people prefer Adrenaline, even though they've grown and evolved and improved so much since then.

I don't think stephen has evolved that much since adrenaline (which had awesome riffs) on the contrary, it's rather the opposite of that. to quote cain on kny: it's like stephen isn't even trying anymore.

I don't think so, for a while he just settled into power chords but on the last record he incorporated more techniques like tapping and tremolo picking, definitely not complex stuff but it shows he's moving in  the right direction, I have high hopes he's continued that on the new album especially after seeing that long interview where he talks about how seeing people on youtube has inspired to become a better guitar player and pursue further training.

[from_musings]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

[DeftonesNZ]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

Yeah there's some in goon squad aswell, not sure it's actually tremolo picked or whether it's an effect but it has a tremolo sound anyway, also not sure who wrote it Chino may have I know he plays it live atleast.

[Capt Snow]

Yep, Deftones fans are dumb as shit.

Maybe you should actually listen to Deftones albums a little more before you start shitposting.

[Inkblades]

So much stuff that I disagree with on the last two pages, but I'm not really going to change the minds of anyone, so I won't even bother. Plus, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I will respect that...

PSYCH!

KNY IS IN THEIR TOP THREE ALBUMS AND EQUAL TO WHITE PONY?



ADRENALINE IS BETTER THAN ATF?



PALMS IS BETTER THAN S/T, SNW AND TEAM SLEEP?



*runs out of thread*

[from_musings]

yeah there's finger tapping in entombed,something new i agree. but when you say tremolo picking, do you mean the "solo" in swerve city?

Yeah there's some in goon squad aswell, not sure it's actually tremolo picked or whether it's an effect but it has a tremolo sound anyway, also not sure who wrote it Chino may have I know he plays it live atleast.

stephen used tremolo picking back in 1995 on the 7 words b-side/promo "please please please let me get what i want" so using that again 17 years later isn't that evolving i think. the power chords on adrenaline is far more bad ass than the powerchords and hitting that lower string on an 8-string guitar a la rosemary on kny. most of the kny riffs sounds so dull and inspired. like i said, entombed is a song that is something new.
but that one song isn't enough "proof" that he is constantly evolving growing and improving since the adrenaline days