KFC WTF?!

[sing blue silver]

No, no, I was quoting Kelly but I was talking about Blixa 'cause Kelly was also quoting Blixa when she wrote that.

pretty sure i wrote that. look at the first post at the top of the page. and i know you were talking about blixa.

[blixa]

well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.

Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.

then i guess i'm stupid because i do believe that. i find it incredibily weird for a person to claim they love animals yet be able to eat meat, especially factory farmed meat. i don't understand how you can love a living being and be okay with it being killed to accomodate your appetite.

unless you are talking about the different levels of love then people should be more specific.

I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it.   But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty.     Jesus himself ate fish...   that cruel bastid...

i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.

if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.

newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.

the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...

i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.

hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.

i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.

well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals. then why do i volunteer at the local SPCA? you say you're not being an elitist but then you basically say people who eat meat are flat out wrong and you're more or less a better person than them. maybe take a look at how pathetic your own life is before trying to force your vegan shit on other people.

why don't you volunteer to get more humane animal farming going?

i never said i was better than anyone. i just stated the fact that if you consume meat then you do not love animals. maybe people are getting defensive for other reasons. if you love animals, why eat them? i don't think you can possibly respect something if you can take away its life.

i'm not asking you to believe anything i'm saying. i'm vegan so that is what i believe. you can continue believing what you believe in. i'm sorry but i find it incredibly hard to sit here and believe that meat eaters respect the lives of animals because that is something i cannot do. the fact is i never attacked any of you. i just stated my opinion and i was never trying to sound like an elitist and over priviledged wanker. being a vegan is a lifestyle rather than a diet.

[White Pwny]

Now that that's figured out....  


I'm getting hungry.  it's almost lunch time....     What's everyone having for lunch?!

[sing blue silver]

well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals.

Sorry Blixa, but if you really said, you're desperately stupid.

then i guess i'm stupid because i do believe that. i find it incredibily weird for a person to claim they love animals yet be able to eat meat, especially factory farmed meat. i don't understand how you can love a living being and be okay with it being killed to accomodate your appetite.

unless you are talking about the different levels of love then people should be more specific.

I get that some people don't eat meat..... I get it.   But I really HATE when they have to start peddling their propaganda about how it's animal cruelty.     Jesus himself ate fish...   that cruel bastid...

i'm not peddling propaganda. these are facts that are out there for you to find if you go looking. do you realise that the number one reason for climate change is animal agriculture? do you realise that livestock in factory farms cover 30% of the earth's surface? no, you don't because you're only told to not drive so much and to reduce the amount of energy you use. nothing about your diet.

if you want to talk about jesus then let's talk about jesus because yes, the way we treated animals during his time is exactly how we treat them now? there's scripture about him biting into a big hamburger that came from a factory farm. that's utter bull. we breed animals specifically to be killed now. if you participate in buying meat then you have a direct hand in that cruelty. i used to eat meat myself. i thought i loved animals too but i was ignorant of that love, i didn't know what it meant. i loved them, or i thought i did, but i did not respect them because i was saying yes to them being killed so i could eat a sausage roll.

newsflash: i am a vegan so that is what i believe about people who eat meat, and i'm speaking for myself, not other vegans. i don't believe you can love animals yet eat them at the same time. period. you can tell yourself whatever you want but if you eat meat then you just love animals purely for their flesh. nothing to do with them being anything else other than a commodity.

the more i read what you say on here the more i hate you. self righteous preachy cunt. get off that high horse of yours. if you don't want to eat meat that's fine and dandy but you don't have to have this elitist attitude about it. i agree that animal agriculture as we know it is not the best thing for the earth but annoying vegan hippies never changed anything. don't try and bring other people down because their beliefs aren't the same as yours. that's called being a fucking douchebag so how's about you...

i'm not talking about beliefs. killing animals the way we kill them now is cruel. that is fact.

hate me all you want. it doesn't change things. if you think i'm preaching then don't fucking read it. i'm hardly being elitist. i'm telling you that factory farmed meat is cruel and it is the number one reason for climate change and water pollution.

i find it funny that no one has put forth a sensible post. it's all "hippie" this and "i love burgers" that. i guess some things haven't changed.

well you did say anyone who eats meat can't truly love animals. then why do i volunteer at the local SPCA? you say you're not being an elitist but then you basically say people who eat meat are flat out wrong and you're more or less a better person than them. maybe take a look at how pathetic your own life is before trying to force your vegan shit on other people.

why don't you volunteer to get more humane animal farming going?

i never said i was better than anyone. i just stated the fact that if you consume meat then you do not love animals. maybe people are getting defensive for other reasons. if you love animals, why eat them? i don't think you can possibly respect something if you can take away its life.

i'm not asking you to believe anything i'm saying. i'm vegan so that is what i believe. you can continue believing what you believe in. i'm sorry but i find it incredibly hard to sit here and believe that meat eaters respect the lives of animals because that is something i cannot do. the fact is i never attacked any of you. i just stated my opinion and i was never trying to sound like an elitist and over priviledged wanker. being a vegan is a lifestyle rather than a diet.

you are one prejudiced  cunt. it's not like i'm out killing every other animal. anyway i'm done.

[devilinside]

No, no, I was quoting Kelly but I was talking about Blixa 'cause Kelly was also quoting Blixa when she wrote that.

pretty sure i wrote that. look at the first post at the top of the page. and i know you were talking about blixa.

Yeah...that was this dude...lol it's ok though.

Cyn...I'm having Pizza for lunch...it's a veggie one though. I don't like meats on me pizza. LOL I'm being serious too.

[alvarezbassist17]

I'd eat that. it'd be perfect after a long night out with lots of alcohol.

That's exactly what i was thinking, that thing would be amazing after a night out. The UK is so uptight since Jamie Oliver told everyone off for eating what they like.

The problem isn't the food, it's the fat fucks who have no self control or self respect and end up burdening the NHS with tripple heart bypasses. It means those who are responsible with what they eat are now being fucked over, take the banning of 'super sizing' at McDonalds as an example.

the food is APART of the problem. as far as i'm concerned, we will have less health problems if we start shutting these arseholes down. it's great you have self control but a large number of people don't.

You could say that about anything, if you take that view then they should have banned alcohol decades ago. The problem is education, parental upbringing and people lacking common sense. I know KFC and Mcdonalds taste good, i'd like to eat them every day but i'd be dead and for the vast amount of people that is an obvious fact.

I'd rather the Government passed a bill requiring fast food franchises to have a set of electronic weight scales set up at the entrance manned by a security guard. If you're too fat you are directed to a running track adjacent the drive thru, if you complete twelve laps in 24/hrs you may make a single purchase with diet coke. This would also provide entertainment for those sitting in the drive thru and those dining inside, this would drum up business and counter the severe losses in revenue associated with banning fat asses.

you can say that about everything. it's like if i stood there and made a gun shape with my hand and went "bang bang" it's not going to do shit. i'm actually going to need a gun to kill somebody. don't stop at alcohol, go for cigarettes, dairy products, drugs etc.

you can educate people as much as you want, it's going to come down to people controlling themselves and making choices. we've already established the fact that most people can't control themselves, wouldn't it be better if fast food companies did something as well. in australia they're raising the price of cigarette packets and alcohol. i work in a liquor shop so i am seeing the direct impact of those price hikes and when i get underage kids and drunks coming in, i refuse to sell them alcohol. some big industries have taken measures but fast food companies are way behind. kfc is the biggest evil in my eyes. it'll be a dream come true if it just fucking disappeared.

you can't tell how unhealthy a person is by their weight. i have a friend who is overweight yet she eats very healthy food and another friend who is a stick and eats oporto and mcdonalds every day. there's thyroid problems and stress and god knows what else. i'm not innocent in all this. i love fried food, i smoke A LOT and i drink shitloads of coffee. i am great at controlling myself though, especially around alcohol. i haven't gotten plastered in a very very long time.

Oh, give me a break.  What a bunch of pure hypocrisy.  You have heard of personal responsibility, right?  Just like you're responsible for smoking a lot of cigs (a vice i share), everybody else should be responsible for every single decision they make, no matter how misguided.  Once you place that responsibility on government, it's one of those cliche slippery slopes.  It's going on right now in America; admittedly the fast food companies are just goading on the movement to ban everything under the sun with all of these baconators and loaded steakhouse burgers (which are delicious, I might add), but seriously, it's gotten to the point where I can't think of much "unhealthy" behavior that isn't under fire or likely to be very soon.  Tanning booths are getting a tax hike, there isn't a quarter that I don't hear about the cigarette tax going up, one is disallowed from smoking in virtually every OUTDOOR public locale, I hear New York is working on a city-wide salt limitation, with similar discussions going on in Minnesota, the War on Drugs is imploding Mexico and as a consequence border states (and Mexico to a far greater degree) are losing their liberties, Mexicans and Americans are losing their lives at incredible rates, not to mention its entire premise is a violation of a human's natural rights.  And all of this is because our Congress is filled with people like you that truly believe that everybody is too fucking stupid to take care of themselves, so it's up to the smart people to take care of them, with money and loss of our liberties.  What the fuck is compassionate about that?

Apologies for just going off on you like that, I'm not against you holding those views, it's just that yours has been the dominant viewpoint in the world for decades now, and has used in legislation for far too long now.  Where is any of this great societal benefit that has come from the exponentially increasing control over peoples' lives?  Isn't the response always going to be that existing controls weren't followed well enough or just weren't Draconian enough in nature?  Can you not see how that philosophy has played out through history?  Do you think that there's just going to be some magic, benevolent politician that's going to go against the classic nature of someone in power when he achieves the ability to use "the public health" as an excuse to do whatever he wants?  Even if that happened, what then, if someone who had a philosophy you entirely disagreed with were then elected to that same position with those very same powers?

What are you going to say if smoking gives you cancer?  Are you going to say "I was too butt-stupid to quit and I wish someone would have regulated my behavior?"

some people are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. that is the thing. if tomorrow i woke up and i couldn't buy cigarettes because they were banned then that is when i'll stop smoking. otherwise i'll continue smoking because it's there and easily accessible to me. it does shit me that i cannot smoke in bars and in certain places outside but those legislations have been effective in me cutting down on how much i smoke so i welcome it. i know it's there for the betterment of my health. what the fuck do i have to complain about?

shoot me for wanting the fast food companies to make their foods healthier. just because it's fast food doesn't mean it has to be rubbish. some people have no control and if we need legislation to control it then so be it. in a utopian society there will be kfc, no cigarettes, no alcohol.

if that makes me a hypocrite then i'm a hypocrite. oh, look, she wants fast food joints shut down but she's a smoker. the reason i want kfc gone is from the animal rights stand point. there is no distinction between animal cruelty and eating meat. eating animals is cruel. the way animals are used is cruel. they way they are bred to be murdered is cruel. if they're passing legislation to put pictures on cigarette packets:


then they should put massive pictures of the effects of fast food in kfc, mcdonalds, hungry jacks, and everywhere else. why should they be exempt.

See, that's my huge problem, with your thinking, essentially admitting that you and others are too stupid to take care of yourselves and that someone else needs to begets the tendency for people to get worse, more irresponsible, because they increasingly rely on government decree for their moral fabric.  I mean look, we've been moving in the direction of more and more control for decades, and people are only getting more and more irresponsible.  I was trying to point out that you're not better than anyone, you're not special in the least, and you're just proving that those pictures and warnings really don't have any effect when someone perceives the present benefit from smoking to be greater than the future costs.  You're saying you don't give a shit about your health, so someone has to give a shit for you, and that is exactly the kind of mentality that has permeated the world society, and to its great, perceivable detriment.  So what that means is essentially in order to help people like you that can't make decisions for themselves, we also have to punish the people who engage in whatever behavior responsibly and with moderation.  It's essentially like reverse evolution, in today's society we subsidize the stupid because it's compassionate, but don't realize the detriment put on the responsible.

Another problem I have with your philosophy is your putting animal interests above human interests.  Since we live in a society with limited resources, limiting food, whether animal or vegetable, kills people in third world countries.  That's it, pure, unadulterated fact.  I mean I don't personally understand this suicidal/murderous attitude (I mean I do, because it's so impersonal, and you're never going to see the people that your type of vegan activism kills), but I don't have a problem with it unless its attitude is used in legislation, which it has been for years.  But seriously, just because you hold your ever-fallible moral "high-ground," doesn't mean it's truly right enough that it isn't immoral to force it on others.

Also, newsflash: climates change.  Humans don't cause it, at least not even close to the extent that you environmental Nazis presume.  Get the fuck over yourself and let people make better lives for themselves and those around them.

[White Pwny]

ha!   well, pizza is good.   And veggies are good on it.


Im STARVING from all the McDonalds, BK, Baconator and Wendy's talk!  

[devilinside]

Go getcha a fried bologna sangwich! ewww

[White Pwny]

*gags*


I love meat...   however ... I don't know that bologna can be classified as meat.   It's kind of like Spam to me.... I just can't do it, captain!

[alvarezbassist17]

yeesh... spam.  Fun fact: did y'all know that while spam is manufactured in my home state of Minnesota, its primary market is in Hawai'i?  I'll allow for speculation on the potential reasons.

[Jacob]

you are one prejudiced  cunt.

alright, time to lay off the personal attacks. you're just as prejudiced claiming to hate someone based on their opinions. either have a real discussion without unnecessary namecalling or just keep quiet.

[alvarezbassist17]

It's the unfortunate consequence of one's inability to intellectually win an argument...  Although she does tend to make some rather inflammatory statements from the standpoint of people who have a love, as opposed to a disdain for humanity.

[wheresmysnare]

lol @ what happened to this thread, debating KFC FTW.

[White Pwny]

Kentucky Fried Chicken.... it brings out the best in people.

[E-Money]

and since we are on it...   I don't think the government should exist to put their thumb on what I do.    We do have a constitution.. and no where did I see them say they would regulate how the fuck I live my life.   If I want to kill myself eating KFC, smoking... or drinking.. then I should be allowed to do so.   I don't need the government breathing down my throat about how I live my life.      Sure, some people have no control.. and it's their fucking right to not have it!         Yes, now the government has in some way stepped in and banned me from smoking in bars and such...  it's not to regulate MY life... it's to make it nice for the non smokers.. and I have no problem going outside to smoke.     But in my own space,  I should be able to eat what I wish.. and smoke as many cigarettes as I wish...   and it should not be a govermental issue at all.

+1

[sing blue silver]

Kentucky Fried Chicken.... it brings out the best in people.

it brings out the diarrhea in people

[Nailec]

lol@
-the jesus-argument
-the hate against educated people (which btw is often enough a sign of authoritarian sentiment)
-the comparision between blixa and the nazis (i know such argumentation is more common outside germany. but still, i would punch you in the face for that and force you to give an excuse in front of a jewish person)
-the "i have a dog such i love all animals"-argument which is as smart as "i have a black friend therefore im no racist"


you all must be kidding

[White Pwny]

gosh, I thought some of the points were valid.

[White Pwny]

omgosh... who would play me?!

[White Pwny]

Sweet.   We should do it.    This shiz is better than Big Brother and Real World combined!