SNW the new S/T

[nineteenpeoplesnames]

I love SNW. Great album but just difficult to 'get'.

[Far away]

yeah it's completely underrated. if you wanted white pony part 2 you'll never get it because deftones realize that repeating yourself is just plain retarded.

I don't think that's the main problem - in my eyes (or rather, ears) SNW is the closest tied to WP of all their albums. this might be a wild guess, but I'm under the impression that most of the hate for SNW comes from the same people who think Chino should still write songs where the chorus goes "Suck suck suck... (x12)".

to be honest i just didnt like the way those songs sound with shawn lopez working on them. I'd like to hear the entire cd mixed by Terry Date.. i wonder sometimes if we would noticed a big difference.

I like the way Terry used to produce their records..

[Deftones-argentina]

I actually heard it on its enitrety today. SNW sometimes enters in my top 3 deftones albums.

[Hidalgo]

the MH review of DE said it's Chino's best vocal performance. i'd say s/t is his worst vocal performance, pitch wise, and song structure wise, he seemed to have writers block on some tracks. the lyrics were good as usual. on snw he sounds alot better

[Vesanic]

the MH review of DE said it's Chino's best vocal performance. i'd say s/t is his worst vocal performance, pitch wise, and song structure wise, he seemed to have writers block on some tracks. the lyrics were good as usual. on snw he sounds alot better

I disagree.

Chino's got his sneaky tone back on the S/T era, which was really good to hear, whereas his voice sounded overwhelmed during the 2000/2001's live performances.

My favorite screamings from Chino are on the self-titled album.

[Hidalgo]

late 2000-2001 he had serious vocal damage, i can't hold it against him. but i'm talking albums here, his worst vocal performance is s/t. i'm not saying he sucked, cause he did fine, just the worst by his standards

i think the most intense, loud, strong, heartfelt screams he's done are at the end of dai the flu. damn, that song is so great. my favorite screams he's done

[gui]

I love SNW. Great album but just difficult to 'get'.

i dont think there's anything about this album hard to 'get', except Pink cellphones which all i can get of it is that it's sucks. Adrenaline is million times harder to 'get' melodically speaking.

xerces, beware, cherry waves, kimdracula, riviere, combat, hole in the earth, those songs are all pretty much straight foward.

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

I love SNW. Great album but just difficult to 'get'.

i dont think there's anything about this album hard to 'get', except Pink cellphones which all i can get of it is that it's sucks. Adrenaline is million times harder to 'get' melodically speaking.

xerces, beware, cherry waves, kimdracula, riviere, combat, hole in the earth, those songs are all pretty much straight foward.

dont forget that adrenaline is a million times better too. but none of their records is especially hard to get, ALL of their albums is easy to get.

[nineteenpeoplesnames]

It might have 'Previous Deftones Album Syndrome' where the last record is liked more when the latest one comes out.

Well, that works for me anyways...

[Martin]

Nice perspective, there was backlash at the S/T after some time and the same for SNW.
Who knows, maybe those who backlash will rediscover SNW like the S/T after time.

Personally I love both records; though after they started playing When Girls Telephone Boys live I rediscoverd the record due to finally focussing on Frank. And currently, I listen to SNW the least.

[Jacob]

Pink Cellphone is a great track. just sayin'. Lucky You on the other hand.... bleh.

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

Pink Cellphone is a great track. just sayin'. Lucky You on the other hand.... bleh.

stop trolling jacob

[gui]

Pink Cellphone is a great track. just sayin'. Lucky You on the other hand.... bleh.

Pink cellphone was completly out of place, lucky you seems more fitting on the album.

Teenager is million times better than both though.

[Hidalgo]

yep, but the idiot pilot versionon b-sides and rarities is horrible. only song they've made i'll call flat out bad

[sing blue silver]

yep, but the idiot pilot versionon b-sides and rarities is horrible. only song they've made i'll call flat out bad

yeah i also hate it quite a bit. half of that album should have been replaced with other stuff like lovers, drive, to have and to hold, like linus, etc. so many other songs deserved to be on there over sinatra, some of the acoustic stuff, black moon, wax and wane (personal opinion) and this version of teenager. not my cup of tea. i remember being rather disappointed at the track list upon first look.

[FeetLikeFins]

so many other songs deserved to be on there over sinatra, some of the acoustic stuff, black moon, wax and wane (personal opinion)

[Hidalgo]

i like wax and wane. teenager & black moon definitely shoul have been left off. they don't call it the idiot version for nothin

and the dvd is a half assed joke

[Dienekes]

yep, but the idiot pilot versionon b-sides and rarities is horrible. only song they've made i'll call flat out bad

yeah i also hate it quite a bit. half of that album should have been replaced with other stuff like lovers, drive, to have and to hold, like linus, etc. so many other songs deserved to be on there over sinatra, some of the acoustic stuff, black moon, wax and wane (personal opinion) and this version of teenager. not my cup of tea. i remember being rather disappointed at the track list upon first look.

That is why I made my own b sides and rarities 2! 

[sing blue silver]

yep, but the idiot pilot versionon b-sides and rarities is horrible. only song they've made i'll call flat out bad

yeah i also hate it quite a bit. half of that album should have been replaced with other stuff like lovers, drive, to have and to hold, like linus, etc. so many other songs deserved to be on there over sinatra, some of the acoustic stuff, black moon, wax and wane (personal opinion) and this version of teenager. not my cup of tea. i remember being rather disappointed at the track list upon first look.

That is why I made my own b sides and rarities 2! 

as did i. it'd just be nice to see it properly done someday. the dvd was just fine for what i was expecting but some bonus stuff would have been nice. live stuff is just too much to ask from these guys it seems. hopefully someday a PROPER deftones dvd happens. live in hawaii is just fine but the people making it obviously didn't know anything about the band. my ultimate wish would be for "entertain us" to finally be released but we all know that's not going to happen ever. fuck WMG and maverick.

[anguria]

They're different, but I like both albums and I don't understand all this hate for SNW. I just hate Rats!Rats!Rats! with a passion, it reminds me a LOT of Korn, and I can't stand them. Mein... Well, the video sucks as hell, but the song is not that bad, Serj's part is completely useless, anyway, it seems like it's simply pasted to a random song. I even like Pink Cellphone! By the way, I only recently realized that on my CD there is not the last part, the one about germs and... other stuff. Does anyone know why? is it a censored version or what?