IMO SNW Is their best

[defTHE1s]

pink cellphone should have stayed on chinos laptop.

its actually the album that made me know who the deftones are

FAIL.

This is their best so far, yes! here's why...

Stef's Guitar tone.
Chino's lyrics and Voice.
Frank's keys and samples.

FAIL.

Truth.

SNW > S/T

No way in Hell!

+1

+ 1

[beaverwithfishyshoes]

how is it mainstream? really. be quite and drive, change.. 7 words (in nu metal respects) is radio material rather than later stuff. fuck off already. but ok, you wanna call it that, its ok boy, youre a good boy, mommy loves ya. its good music, one of the better albums i think too, and thats what matters.

[lostpilot]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

[sing blue silver]

i suppose it's a matter of taste. around the fur pwns all for me.

[Law]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

see what you're saying, but at the end of the day I guess they're out of their depth a bit with that sort of stuff and it isn't their most impressive, for instance how many times do they open with a song from SNW? And in their festival sets Beware is the major feature, and its a shame Xerces isn't played more recently, fucking practice that high note Chino.

[nineteenpeoplesnames]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

Even though I disagree, I like the way you have explained it - without the blatant "it's crap" or "It sucks donkey balls" etc. It's constructive!

Must admit though - SNW & WP as albums, don't seem to flow as well as the others.

[Starz]

Am I the only one here who thinks the SNW Bob Erzin demos aren't that great? I just can't see what all the fuss is about...

[Vesanic]

Am I the only one here who thinks the SNW Bob Erzin demos aren't that great? I just can't see what all the fuss is about...

No, you are not. I also think the Bob Ezrin demos, in their integrality, weren't that amazing. Some of them really amazed me, but not a big part.

[Far away]

I respect your opinion, but i cant say i agree with you.

[rocket]

I don't really regard SNW as their best but it's definitely up there.
I love all the Deftones albums except Adrenaline, which was and still is a bit difficult for me to get into.It's their only album that sounds nu-metal to me and maybe that's why.
My favourites are probably Around the Fur and ST, depending on my mood.
SNW has a really unique feel to it and some kick-ass songs.Sure it's not as heavy as some of the others but there will be more heavy albums so enjoy this one for what it is in the meantime.I don't know what everyone has against Mein - it has such a unique structure and the drums are kick ass!
Bugs me that it seems cool to say : ''Mein sucks and I only like White Pony''
Could never understand people who say that they only like White Pony because although each album is unique and different they all have the same deftones core sound.Maybe they just think it sounds cool or because their friends do it.
SNW seems to be getting the same reaction as ST did years back.Now people are starting to love ST and realise it's genius - the same will probably happen wit SNW in a few years.

[snw9]

one of the best birthday presents ever

[No More Sugar]

someone's brain isn't receiving enough oxygen.

[darksoul]

ehhh it was good but mein!!!!! what was that? no likey!  thats the only deftones song i ever disliked . so the album i believe to be the best is self titled then its around the fur,white pony ,adrenalin,snw hopefully D EYES takes the #1 spot and i feel like it will be

[nyquil addict]

Hole in the Earth, Cherry Waves and Beware are classics. Rats! Rats! Rats! and Combat are really good. Everything after that is ok.  I think it's slightly better than S/T  and WP because of how strong Hole in the earth, Cherry Waves and Beware are. So I would say it's their second best album behind ATF.

[Cherry Waves]

I think every Deftones album is a great album, but there really was no fluency or flow with SNW!
It was recorded in different spots, with different producers etc, and there was too much stuff on there that Chino could have used for Team Sleep instead he dragged it on to a Deftones record, however it still has some of there best work on it like Cherry Waves and Riviere!

[wither-I]

to be honest I personally never liked SNW much. there are several reasons to that:

a) demo versions > final album versions

I'm not sure whether that's some heavy influence from Chino (lets all remember how Team Sleep ruined most of its songs in the self titled album), but the album versions - for me personally - lack emotion. It's a highly overproduced album and the production quality (which steals the real music show) is the only overall quality which folds the album into one full creation. Comparison - S/T had an obvious general feeling, Adrenaline did too, as did ATF. Maybe White Pony's general feeling was a little clumsy, but SNW fails to have anything else as an album except for the production quality.

And in addition to this, please just turn on Bob Erzin demos, Beware early demo etc - those songs contains power, the pure form of music, while SNW seems to have been made a really user-friendly album, not much a masterpiece at all.

b) songs lack creative writing (ps - this is MY opinion, go fuck yourself if you will try to attack my personal opinion about things. you can say Sum41 and Blink-182 were awesome in songwriting, I don't care that much)

To be honest, SNW only has three songs which were really burnt into my head easily - Cherry Waves, Konami Code song (which is something Deftones never did = reinvention of yourself as an artist. Eros/new album with some live songs proved again (to me personally, again) that Deftones are not REALLY progressing as artists. Yes, they're doing what they're doing good. That's it - there's nothing that new) and Riviere. That's it. If it would be an EP instead of an album containing these three songs and, say, some of the reworks from Bob Erzin demos - I'd be much more happy with the album.


To sum up - yes, SNW is a listen-able album, but surely it is not their best - it's just a conclusory album of self-repetition as artists. I really hope Deftones will reinvent themselves as artists. And I am not mocking them - I am completely satisfied with everything they released before SNW, guys are really talented, but for me personally SNW was a step back.

Cheers

i agree with everything you just said.

stef needs to step up his game bigtime. just lazy.
and chino give the screams a rest, just keep the impassioned vocals where it resides between yelling and audible tongue. (snw's lyrics were just okay at times, and other instances -poo poo.)

abe is a straight up g. no problems there.
franks got groove.
chi, bless him. he's golden forever.

[snw9]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

[aeroplume]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

thats funny.

[snw9]

Its funny how wikipedia reports that this album got positive review from critics despite some of us fans not appreciating it...

thats funny.

the names of the reviews are mentioned as well. Even in the SNW interview list, got some good ratings.

[Vesanic]

Am I the only one here who thinks the SNW Bob Erzin demos aren't that great? I just can't see what all the fuss is about...

No, you are not. I also think the Bob Ezrin demos, in their integrality, weren't that amazing. Some of them really amazed me, but not a big part.

Holy shit, I take that back. Pretty much all of them are fucking awesome.