The Ron Paul topic ( aka your candidate sucks topic )

[defskull]

Obama and McCain aren't the only choices though.

[alvarezbassist17]

But democrats are all about love and peace and prosperity for all.  Or didn't you hear?

yeah but i'm all about that too, but i'm more about achieving it through economic prosperity, not through socialism.  we don't have the population density for that.  but i know, i'm preachin to the choir.

[bangbang240]

That, and they have been convinced that the other party is evil and they would rather vote for the lesser of two evils just to keep this horribly evil Republican or Democrat out of office.  Which of course is total bull shit.

To grossly over simplify it.  Republicans are supposed to be a political party that believes in a very small federal government, tiny government spending, and states rights.  The Democrats are supposed to be a political party who believes is a much larger and powerful central government.  Pretty much, bigger government and more spending in order to improve the quality of life for American citizens.  No where, in the definition of a Republican or Democrat does it talk about being liberal or conservative.  No where in their doctrine does it talk about abortion , religious morals, progressive thinking...or whatever else people associate with these parties.

But what happened was that these parties pretty much merged with their ideas on how to govern the country.  Probably largely due to large campaign contributions from very wealthy men.  Probably a lot in part to things like central banking and other special interest.  Anyways.  They merged.  So now, instead of debating the best way to govern the country.  They try to make you feel like you are voting for ideals.  "change" "country first" instead of " an end to imperialism "  " No more central banks " "true free trade" " a monetary policy that makes sense" ect ect.  Because they all agree on how to govern.  So Republicans try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for the military, for patriotism,  for morals, and for Jesus.  Democrats try to make you think that if you vote for them you are voting for progression, the environment, civil right and and to poverty.  They only do this because they need something to draw a base from.  Republicans know they will get a large base of "social conservatives" and Democrats know they will get a large base of " progressive liberals" This way, they don't have to talk about how they are actually the same dam thing.  Jokes on us.

That is a very good simplistic break down of the parties. I am registered as an independent however I am admittedly left leaning... or at least that's what the TV tells me... What I mean is I can look at an issue research it,  and make my own educated decision on it. Now in a perfect world that would be the end of it, I could just go on making my own decisions based on the knowledge I gather. But here is where the media comes in. They say, "Oh.. you're pro choice? Liberal. You want to drill in Alaska? Conservative. Free Health Care? Dem. Against gays marrying? Republican."

Someone listening to this then thinks hey.. I don't believe in global warming and I hate gays so I must be a "conservative" and wait... "conservative" means "republican" so now I must vote for John McCain.. or I love the environment and Will and Grace is my favorite show I must be a "liberal" and hence a "democrat"  so Obama is my Savior. Now that the population in neatly catagorized into one of only TWO parties for however many millions of people in America they then pick their media outlets.. Dems to MSNBC & Bill Maher!!! Repubs to Fox News and Bill O'Reilly!!! Once here they then hear one sided views of the world that further pushes them together with their herd and further splits the 2 herds from each other. This, my friends, is the 2 party system driven by the media.

So now, instead of having multiple candidates debating meaningful issues, we get 2 people to choose from. All I can hope is that people do their homework and pick the candidate that best represents their concerns and beliefs.

[devilinside]

So,I did early voting today. While I was there,I noticed there WAS a spot for Write In Cadidate. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in) so you could in fact vote for Ron Paul.


I voted all Democrat,accept one Independent,and that was for County Commissioner.


Thought these were cute...and they totally didn't give out the stickers this year!!!!!!!!!!1 

[bangbang240]

What state did you vote in?

[Jerry_Curls]

But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].

[Variable]

^ exactly.  Even though I would leave the booth with such a big smile if I was able to actually check his name

[devilinside]

But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].

Maybe,but why not write in Ron Paul...it's not like him or Baldwin are gonna get it anyways. If you like RP...write in RP.

What state did you vote in?

Tennessee....good ole red state.

[defskull]

But there i no point in writing Ron Paul in. He is supporting another candidate that has his same views on how to lead this country [CHUCK BALDWIN].

Have you actually looked Chuck Baldwin up?  I don't know if he's the best bet.  Some of his views seem great, but others seem way too religion based in a way that blends the line of church and state. 

That's why I'm voting Nader.

Writing in Ron Paul is just as useful as writing in Mickey Mouse.  If you vote for Ron Paul, then it shows nothing.  You vote for a third party candidate that is actually running and it's a vote against the Repubs and Democs and shows the country that third party should not be considered lightly.  I know my vote essentially doesn't matter.  It takes a vote away from McCain or Obama.  But at least I can say I chose the candidate running for president with the most views akin to my own.

[Jerry_Curls]

You are correct. If I made it seem like I was voting for him, sorry. I was just saying how if you were GOING to vote for RP, he has recommended you vote for Baldwin since he stated publicly he was going to support him and not Nader. ALTHOUGH RP also said that you shouldn't vote Rep. or Dem. at all and vote for any Third Party candidate.

Ever since the 1996 election I've been interested in voting for Nader. This will finally be my chance!

[devilinside]

Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol   That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.

[nonesuch]

YEA

[wither-I]

[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]


...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.

NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".

NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"

for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.

OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......


OBAMA IS FIXED

[devilinside]

OK...are you posting under 2 names? Cause,what you wrote was under Nonesuch's name,then all of a sudden,you post and it's under yours and his is changed to "yea"....Odd.............

[wither-I]

yeah because im using his laptop in the airport, and i forgot it was logged in under his name so i copied and pasted...

got a problem with that sukka??

[devilinside]

If I do...whatcha gonna do...NUKKA!

[Jerry_Curls]

Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol   That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.

I have always been interested in things that the other youngins weren't into.

[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]


...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.

NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".

NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"

for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.

OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......

Exactly. Just a couple of days ago Joe Biden spoke at a fundraiser [hmmm...only speak the truth about this change to the people that give you their money? Why not TV or the debates?] Want to read some things Joe Biden swore was going to happen?

-"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," ....

-"Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

-"I promise you it will occur," Biden added, "As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen."

He also said something like most Americans will not like these decisions Obama will make..yadda yadda.

Is he a psychic all of sudden? You guys really think all of this stuff just happens on accident. It is all planned out.

I SURE as hell can't wait for this "change" you guys are talking about. FUCK OBAMA.

Here is Joe speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwb9l0DtRA

[devilinside]

That's pretty cool though. My son is 9,and they have been talking about it at school and are having an "election" there to see who the kids pick. And without hearing anything I've ever said,he told me "I'm gonna vote for Obama,cause he seems like the right guy. The other one looks mean" ...hahah nice way to judge!

[Variable]

The other one looks mean" ...hahah nice way to judge!

thats how 90% of adults vote

[wither-I]

Since you were 8?? Dayum....lol   That's pretty young to be thinkin about voting.

I have always been interested in things that the other youngins weren't into.

[THE SLAVERY OF AN ENTIRE PEOPLES]


...AND WATCH... when this guy fucks you all over by sending more kids to die in war, or an even worse answer to our "problems", by raising some unseen calamity to the fortune of "prosperity" you rely so sheepishly on... you will have no one to blame but yourself... its gonna happen you fucking watch it.

NOTHING IS GOING TO "CHANGE".

NOTHING WILL "PROGRESS"

for you and ALL... it will be the same war mongering global genocide and slavery you fail to witness when you fall "consciously" under the very regime.

OBAMA IS FIXED.
I'll SAY IT AGAIN......

Exactly. Just a couple of days ago Joe Biden spoke at a fundraiser [hmmm...only speak the truth about this change to the people that give you their money? Why not TV or the debates?] Want to read some things Joe Biden swore was going to happen?

-"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," ....

-"Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

-"I promise you it will occur," Biden added, "As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen."

He also said something like most Americans will not like these decisions Obama will make..yadda yadda.

Is he a psychic all of sudden? You guys really think all of this stuff just happens on accident. It is all planned out.

I SURE as hell can't wait for this "change" you guys are talking about. FUCK OBAMA.

Here is Joe speaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwb9l0DtRA

THIS is the exact reason i posted my rants this morning.

IM frankly fucking pissed off because ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE'S FUCKING FACE and they ignore it anyway


90% of people in this ENTIRE world are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BRAIN-WASHED TO NEAR EXTINCTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS.


THIS IS THE SADEST PERIOD IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY AND ONLY HINDSIGHT WILL GAWK SO
SPELLINGLY AT IT WITH HILARITY IN DISPOSE.

FOOLED.

FAIL.