New Zeitgeist movie!

[Variable]

Darius my man.  You have broken out of your shell.  I have to say that I agree with most of what you just said.  Sorry if my tone was a bit condescending before, I think I took your original statement wrong.

I totally understand what you mean about your head exploding.  Some people think I'm just an ass hole who talks shit online for shits and giggles.  But I actually lose sleep over this shit.  I think about it all day long.  I preach to people I work with.  I pass out Ron Paul's book for free to anyone who will take it.  I really, honestly , care and believe.  But for some reason people just DONT GET THE FUCKING POINT.  Our generation seems to be really stupid.

Which brings me to your point about Americans being stupid.  I agree.  We are after all the people who voted in Bush twice, and then believed that Obama is actually about change ( even though I will say the rest of the world seems to have jumped on the Obama band wagon) You can quote George W. Bush from 1999 and almost match it word for word what Obama was saying a couple months ago.  But people forget, because they are stupid, or maybe too distracted by halo 3 and the NFL.  I really believe that Americans seem to be the dumbest collective group of people because they technically control ( through a "republic") the most wealth and power in the world.  Therefore, it is of the most importance to hold us down and make us blind to the real workings of the world.  But fuck that shit.  There are still strong willed people in America.  Strong wills + intelligence.  The blinders just have to be taken off our eyes my friend.  People like you and many others that I encountered online, plus other great Americans like Ron Paul, took the blinders off of my eyes.  There will be a movement in America, all things take time though my friend.  There is a reason that Thomas Jefferson believed in regular revolution.  Today that reason is more clear to me than ever.  But in the tradition of great men like Gandhi and MLK, we will lead a peaceful revolution.  Because while Jefferson was right, these men enhanced his idea and showed  us a better way to do business.  And we are proud to follow in their foot steps.

I understand what you are saying about human evolution and how it has seemed to have stopped.  If not regressed in some way.  I have said that 100 times.  But honestly, when you look at it.  Society is still progressing.  That is hopeful.  Maybe humans were always this stupid, and the stories of our forefathers are just overblown.  I sure as shit hope so.  Because I know that I no where near stand up to the caliber of how I view of the founding fathers of America.  And I care more about these issues that anyone I know.  I just think that people lack inspiration.  Look at how much blind hope Obama got for no other reason that a catchy slogan.  If someone was able to channel that energy though an actual educated and righteous campaign, holy shit.  If someone stood on the national stage with the clout of Obama and spoke of Eisenhower's word about pre emptive war, Jefferson's words about central banks, Truly unregulated free trade, a non fiat monetary system........dude, just real, genuine conservatism or "classical liberalism" OMFG.  It would be amazing.  I am determined to make that happen in my lifetime.

Say what you will about the military.  But I am telling you right now.  100% honesty.  That I have to say, of all people, it was certain US Marines that opened my mind to these ideas.  To think outside of the box.  I really believe that our experiences in combat gives us a perspective on the world that only a few % of the populations can see.  Sometimes, to me, it seems that those of us who have lived the closest in the dirt, the closest to death, and the closest to the spear head of US foreign policy, are the ones who truly understand why things must change.  I am so disturbed every time I hear about Afghans being killed.  Thinking about my friends, my brothers, and their families being bombed and killed for the sake of democracy........I don't even know what to say........I guess just thank god that no pictures or names hit the US news.  Because I know and love too many Afghans.

You seem to have a really good head on your shoulders.  I just want to encourage you to always stand up for your beliefs and make them known.  I want to encourage you to make a difference.  No matter how big or small, make a difference.  Because if you don't, who will?  The only way that anything is going to change, is if we get enough people to make a revolution.  So....................

[lostpilot]

I will absolutely reply to this post later, Trey!

[Variable]

lol

[lostpilot]

well, actually I thought there is not much to reply here after all!
I'm glad we're both thinking!

[Variable]

Yeah, the thinking never stops.  It can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.  At times I think I am incapable of just turning off my brain and staring at a video game or sports or whatever.  But then, porn comes on

Seriously though.  If you really do believe that the world it totally jacked up.  I hope you act.  Try to impact your community.  I'm sure Ireland could use help too.   

But I do ( for the 1,001 time ) want to say that I really am disappointed in the stereotypes that surround service members.  We are a pretty large group of people, you can't judge us all from one or two of the idiots that you have met.  And for sure we can't be judged by our depiction in Hollywood.  They do a beyond terrible job of accurately depicting what it is like to be in the military.  I have been surrounded by some ridiculously intelligent and free thinking people in the military.  And lets be honest here, I don't think I'm particularly stupid.  For whatever reason we all signed up.  There wasn't a single one of us who though we were going to Afghanistan to fight for America, freedom, or democracy.  It's probably a strange thing to try and understand.....but yeah, we knew what was going on.  So rest at ease.  There is not a mass of hundreds of thousands of men and women with guns who are brainwashed into following an expectative order to the death.  We still have our brains. 

[tarkil]

So rest at ease.  There is not a mass of hundreds of thousands of men and women with guns who are brainwashed into following an expectative order to the death.  We still have our brains. 

I wish I could believe you... Hopefully you're right...

[Variable]

Do I honestly seem brainwashed to you?

[lostpilot]

Some rare times, yeah

[tarkil]

Do I honestly seem brainwashed to you?

I think you're definitely able to think on your own, but I'm definitely not sure that's the case for everyone in the military.
I mean, it's pretty much a known fact that most of the people entering the military do it cause they're too dumb to do anything else.
I'm obviously not talking about everyone, and it definitely depends on the "assignment' or "role" or whatever you call that of the guy.
But the basic "trooper" (or whatever you call that) is definitely not hired because of his cleverness and ability to think back what he's asked...

[Variable]

I disagree.  Most of the guys I work with are very intelligent.  You have to take poverty into account. A lot of people join the military because they need a stable job, money for college, family tradition, a belief in service, they seek adventure.  There are a lot of reasons becides an alternative to failure.  But I think the #1 being poverty.  Just because you are poor doesn't make you stupid ( I know you didnt say that, I'm just saying ) I think that is just a really misguided stereotype that the media ( mainly movies ) have placed in peoples minds.  Not to mention that their are a shit ton of officers in the military.  All of them with college education.  Obviously some people join as an alternative to failure.  But a lot of them get weeded out.  Or don't make rank to be in a position that matters

[Starz]

I have got so many people to watch the Zeitgeist movies but they just don't care. People seem to be happy or maybe a better word, content in their own world regardless if they know that they are in fact slaves to the dollar or not. Sometimes I preach ideas discussed in the movies to friends and family and they just look at me like I'm insane. Ironic really...

[Jedidiah Solomon]

It was funny my brother who is in Mosul Iraq right now showed me this clip of him and the other medics getting their co worker to eat a doggy treat for 5 bucks, the fucker really did it too, that was harsh watching him take it down, he was gaggin' and everything.

[defkitty]

My friend joined the army because her life was a mess. She said she needed "structure" to pull shit together... and college money.

[Variable]

and how do you feel about that?

[defkitty]

It's her life I guess...but I get it. She got into some really bad shit (drugs) so I guess it could be like a rehab type thing.  Last I heard she liked it at basic.

[lostpilot]

I think army can easily put one's life in control.
Just my guess.. I guess I'm right, Trey, am I not?

[Variable]

It just depends on what the person wants.  I have seen plenty of people fuck up their lives in the military.  It is a good way for people who genuinely want to do good in life, but lack the motivation, to get on the right path.  You defiantly have a hand pushing you.  It is no longer your choice to be inactive.  You will either do it, or suffer worse than if you just performed the task.  So if she is just trying to get someone to force her to do what she wanted to do, then its a good deal.  But if she decides that she hates being told what to do and just wants to tell everyone to fuck off, then her life is going to suck, and be worse for joining the military.

[Variable]

So its kind of funny that this topic got bumped.  Because lately I have been watching A LOT of Zeitgeist.  Its the new craze on base.  But as I was watching these movies a few times, some things did not seem to add up right.  Plus I'm the kind of person that never accepts anything as truth, it has to be proven to me.  So I started doing some research of my own.  I started with religion as it is part 1 of the first Zeitgeist movie.  I VERY quickly found out that Zeitgeist had its story all fucked up.  Like, not even close. 

Well as I moved past Horus to try and look at some other Gods to check out their story I found this web site http://www.conspiracyscience.com/ This guy pretty much claims that he completely debunked the first zeitgeist movie + the 911 theories.  Also that he has debunked pt. 1 of addendum, but has not had time yet to finish the rest of the film. 

I have not read everything on this site.  Nor have I checked all of his sources to make sure he is not full of shit.  But just from how blatantly wrong Peter Joseph was about religion based on my own research( probably because he was intentionally lying ) I pretty much don't trust the rest of the Zeitgeist movies until I can find some reason to believe them again.  I will say though that Edward Winston gives himself too much credit.  He seems to think that if he can't prove that Peter Joseph is wrong, a sarcastic comment is proof enough. 

Check it out guys, I think it will be worth your time.

The other research that I did besides Religion was on the Federal Reserve.  I will put this very basic, and very simple for the sake of time and the varied education we all have on economics here.  The federal reserve DOES NOT hold the U.S. government in debt.  They only attribute to about 7% of the National debt annually.  Then they rebate that debt back to the treasure department every year.  The FED makes NO MONEY from the federal government.  They allow smaller banks to loan out money to people like you and I, then we pay interest, and that is where Bank profit comes from.  Not the federal government.  This allows the federal government to keep taxes lower.  So it is actually a good thing. ( or so a lot of people would say )

[Sleepymaggie]

Okay so this movie was AWESOME..but for a movie... very very influential..but i did notice a flaw..a big one at that...in the first part
bout the hindu god Krishna...everything about him was absolutely wrong except for the fact that he apparently performed some miracles. He was born 3000odd bc. and his birthdate is  july/august (depending on the hindu calender) so all that was ballcrap. Another thing: The Vedas...which are the ancient hindu text date back to over 5000B.C..all the stuff in the first part was after that...me and my mum were like "oh they probably havent explored that so theyre talking of what they know" well..then i looked at this site ^^^conspiracyscience.com and alot of it fits...so im a bit confused..

I think everything thats wrong about the military is wrong on the whole..not as per each individual in the unit. It would be absolutely stupid so talk about variable or anyone he knows coz what should concern us is the WHOLE concept and the acts they perform and whether they are in alliance with what we believe as humans not americans or afghans or brits or french.

The 9/11 shit has really been talked about alot...We'll its over and WHOEVER did it needs to go down but until somone can PROVE something substantial that can be acted upon all of it is just frustrated opinions..and thats it.

Money has always irked me..and one thing this movie has done is create a good solid hate for it because all of us knows it cannot provide any true happiness if one needs more of it. Anything with a vicious cycle. For me its just an ugly tool. like an infected foot that you need to walk on.

Finally i think that even tho some facts were wrong..the basic idea of the movie came out well..about being a concious aware human and not taking the life that we've immersed ourselves in too seriously because we made it and theres duality in everything..so to basically just use whatevers given as a tool and not have your life depend on it and while youre doing that while respecting the undisputable things like nature, love, art, soul, limitless perceptions, healing, honesty, the environment, music and such.

[Starz]

Zeitgeist is certainly counter culture propaganda as it is designed to shock the viewer and create emotional responses, which are not something you should have if you want to really get to the heart of a matter. A 2 hour film of such scope can't do anything but create an ignorant awareness. It takes many more library hours of hard study and a few written pieces to really get a grasp on these issues, because they are very complicated.

The truth is, is that most people will not however, use the movie as a mere starting point...they will watch it, possibly believe it and go around quoting it as a definitive source. This is really really bad because as i said, the movie is only good in sofar as it raises some topics and tries to get them out to the audience so that they care. Not care to make the movie the bible but just to watch it, take notice of some of the things talked about and hopefully become more aware of the con game which is the financial system and be motivated to read further.

Zeitgeist for me is good as it led me to explore new ideas which I never would have ever thought of had I not seen the movie. But it quickly becomes clear that the common things we take for granted in the nature of money are very hollow. This is what completely fascinated me. I had never thought of money in those terms before.

Now when i think of all the stuff I've learnt and read, Zeitgeist is just something which got me into them...its just the glib friend who talked loudly about something at a dinner which most would quote and tell their mates to fill the air...but others might think about the root of what was said and use that to then go on and read credible academic publications. This is what we all must do. Merely watching the film is not enough.