Whats the best song from S/T Era?

[devilinside]

actually, I am the messiah of good songs.  And so much more

Let me guess you don't like anything on S/T

but

Bye Bye BYe from the Backstreet Boys owns

Hey does anyone remember those 30 sec clips from S/T? I used to listen to Battle Axe's clip like over and over.  I hated WGTB b/c of the clip.... until I heard the whole song in a CD store while they were playing it for the release party.  Songs do grow on you if you give em a chance.

Uuh...it's N'sync! Get it straight buddy!!! And I am the messiah of good songs...hence why i knew who sang bye bye bye. lol

[Variable]

actually, I am the messiah of good songs.  And so much more

Let me guess you don't like anything on S/T

but

Bye Bye BYe from the Backstreet Boys owns

dam, fucking pay attention.  I said battle axe is my favorite deftones song.

and "bye bye bye" by the backstreet boys does own.

[White Pwny]

^  Uh... .you mean NSync?  Damn it Lance, get it together!

[devilinside]

Lancync!

[downtownpony]

Lance!!!!!

[Corleone]

wtf happend to my thread

[Variable]

^  Uh... .you mean NSync?  Damn it Lance, get it together!

actually, I am the messiah of good songs.  And so much more

Let me guess you don't like anything on S/T

but

Bye Bye BYe from the Backstreet Boys owns

Hey does anyone remember those 30 sec clips from S/T? I used to listen to Battle Axe's clip like over and over.  I hated WGTB b/c of the clip.... until I heard the whole song in a CD store while they were playing it for the release party.  Songs do grow on you if you give em a chance.

Uuh...it's N'sync! Get it straight buddy!!! And I am the messiah of good songs...hence why i knew who sang bye bye bye. lol

Ok.  You two noobs are going to have to NOT correct me when im fucking with other noobs k.  And not correct the other noobs when they say stupid shit that is really funny.  Just go with the ignorance flow k.

[Variable]

wtf happend to my thread

I enhanced it you're welcome.

[Inkblades]

Wow, now I understand whats going on here.  WGTB is the #1 song on this survey.  Most of you are saying you like ST as either your 1st or 2nd deftones album.  And too fucking many people are saying they like HITE.  So pretty much most of you are kids who still think NU Metal is cool and just need to grow up a bit.  Now I understand why someone in another thread was talking about how they got slammed for saying linkin park sucked.  I like some of you a lot better when I don't know how bad your taste in music is.  I think im going to stop coming into this forum.

OK, now you're getting a little too far out there for me. How is HITE "nu metal"? Shitty video aside, it's a great song. Allmusic.com hits the nail on the head:

"Check the opener — and single — "Hole in the Earth." It begins with a wall of feedback and thunderously distorted guitars accented by rim shots and cymbal fire before giving way to a skeletal six-string figure that seems barely able to support Moreno's singing, which combines the euphoria of a young, less pretentious Bono with the attack of, well, the Deftones. Guitars echo and whisper all along the backdrop while Moreno hovers there, until they crackle and spit to bring him back."

So, you hate WGTB and HITE but like Pink Cellphone and Ratsx3?  I like Ratsx3 too, but as heavy songs go, WGTB puts it to shame. Lyrically better (come on, how do you NOT love the lyrics to WGTB?) and has the dark, brutal and haunting Deftones sound that Ratsx3 is missing. And I'll take EVERY song in Deftones catalogue over Pink Cellphone. EVERY LAST ONE! That's not even a Deftones song. To me, it's a stupid little beat Chino made on garage band. Then, to make it really KICK, he added Annie Hardy rambling on about anal sex. At least ALL of the members of Deftones wrote WGTB and HITE.

Variable, it seems that you listened to S/T in 03 and were so disappointed you never really gave it a fair shake again. Understandable. But, it is a good album. I'm glad you're at least giving it another shot.

And lay off the crack, too.

uh, hey buddy.  Hows it going?  when the fuck did I say I liked rats rats rats?  Go ahead and read back over all of my post and put your foot in your mouth there.  I hate that song.  It sucks just as bad as WGTB.  This is another song that I heard chino himself talk shit about.  Ill try to find this interview too.  But in essence he said that the only reason they even made Rats Rats Rats was because they knew that if they didn't all their little Nu Metal fans would get all pissy.  Pretty much they made it because maverick wanted them to.  To me, that's what almost every song on ST is.  They knew they had to put out something.  so they just threw some shit together and made it an album.

And pink cell phone?  I dont think I said anything about loving that song either.  I dont hate it.  I take it for what it is.  its just a stupid and fun song that chino made.  Chino is weird like that.  Kind of like black moon and shit. Kind of like teenager and lucky you.  They whole band wasn't apart of all those songs.  But its just something they liked so they threw it on their album.  They probably weren't expecting to change anyones lives or win a Grammy with them.  Just maybe something chill to listen to when you're high.

and it sounds like someone at allmusic.com is on mavericks payroll.  Because HITE sucks.  That's really all there is too it.  Its just a bad song. 

Ok, I misread your post on Rats. My mistake. But the fact that you like Pink Cellphone over WGTB, one of the best heavy songs they've ever done, is downright laughable.  Not to mention countless other great songs they've done. And then you have the nerve to tell us we have bad taste in music? LMAO.

And saying a song sucks because "well, it does. that's all there is to it" is kind of a cop-out. Come on, tell us why the songs suck and I'll give you reasons why they don't suck. And try to do it without throwing around the term "nu-metal" either.

Ok, right now, I'll tell you why WGTB is great song:

1. Stephen Riffs: That DEVASTATING chorus riff. You write something like that, Variable. Go ahead.

2. Lyrics: "Somethings wrong with you, I hope we never do meet again", "Yeah, if you like that we can ride on a black horse/A great new wave hesperian death horse" "l will call back/I forget where the phone is at/I'll talk to you when I get back/Yeah, when I get back I will talk". Brilliance!

3. The bridge: All about Frank's awesome haunted house synths and disconnecting phone sounds over Steph's moody, Pink Maggit-esque riff while Chino screams bloody murder.

And, please, no one come in here and say "oh my god you guys are so opinionated why do you care what other people think?". This is the one of the reasons to have a message board. To discuss, debate and argue opinions.

[Variable]

Yeah apparently you just cant stop misreading.  Do you not get the point of what im saying about pink cellphone?  I don't like love the song.  I don't even listen to it when I listen to SNW.  Its just a stupid little fun song that chino made and put on the album because hes a fucking crack head.  I don't take it seriously.  That's my point.  Its not a serious song, so I don't even compare it to WGTB.  Because WGTB was supposed to be a good song, and it isn't.  Get the difference?

And I cant help it that deftones started out as a nu metal band.  Sorry, just accept it.  True they tried to run very far away from that genera.  But they still end up embracing it in one or two songs on every album just to try and keep the fan base that is only interesting in such music.  Sorry bud, just accept it.

And those lyrics?  Lol, they are really not that brilliant man.  Deftones are my favorite band and everything.  But I have never thought chino had brilliant lyrical skills.  There are so many other bands with such better lyrics that singing about Hesperian death horses.  Maybe start with the doors? John Lennon? Shit STP or NIN would be an improvement.

And if you are just interested in hard music.  Deftones have so much better options.  Maybe start with both adrenaline and ATF.  Try Headup first.  It's a good one.

But yeah, call me a cop out on answers.  But I really don't feel like putting so much effort into talking about a shitty song.  I cant believe I even typed this much already.

[Inkblades]

I never said you loved PCP. But you do think it's a fun song, yet you find WGTB (and most of S/T) to be shit. So that proves you do love PCP. The drug PCP, that is. You've been smoking alot of it. Regardless of what their intentions were when writing these songs (silly electronica song vs mindblowing bruiser), you favor one over the other.

And, yes, Adrenaline and ATF have tons of great heavy songs. I never said WGTB was the best. I said it was one of the best. But, amazingly enough, some of those, like Headup, are the DEFINITION of nu-metal era Tones (great, now I'm throwing it around). I just find it funny that you big up their nu-metal era, and then lambast S/T for trying to sound too nu-metal.

[Inkblades]

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[Variable]

Im going to help you out here man.  Im going to share a part of thousands of years of wisdom that had to be accumulated in order to define what we consider logic and reason.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent its called affirming the consequent.  Just because the conclusion of an argument is one thing, it does not make the premise of the argument the same thing.  No, I don't like WGTB.  Yes, I can tolerate PCP.  No, I don't like ST.  Yes, I do like SNW.  But that doesn't mean that I think PCP is better than WGTB.  And it doesn't mean that I think every song on SNW is better than every song on ST.  

If I was in a music appreciation class and someone asked me to compare WGTB and PCP.  I would give the award to WGTB.  It's a better song by definition.  But that doesn't make it good.  WGTB was supposed to be taken seriously.  Supposed to be a good metal song.  So compare it to other serious and good metal songs that Deftones have put out, and suddenly its crap.  Pink Cell phone is just chino being stoned and wanting something simple and stupid to listen to and sing to.  Not meant to be metal, not meant to be taken very seriously.  I chalk that one up right next to chinos drunk ass singing "sexy back". Therefore in reality, its completely illogical to say I like PCP better than WGTB.

I hope this was an educational experience for you.

[Variable]

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[Inkblades]

Ah, the semantics game. I honestly believe that "affirming the consequent" doesn't apply in this situation (ROFL are we even talking about Deftones anymore?!?!?!). To me, liking one thing more than another thing is the same as thinking the former is better than the latter. Don't they fundamentally relate in some kind of way? Where's the difference? You're right about WGTB and PCP being an unfair comparison, but comparing SNW and S/T is different. Because when they made both albums, their intentions were to make the best albums possible. Chino wasn't approaching ALL of SNW going "hey, this will be a stupid little fun album". So, liking SNW over S/T is the same as thinking SNW is better than S/T.

We know they went through turmoil writing both S/T and SNW. However, I feel like they were one component while writing S/T. There is video footage of them all hanging out and writing the music together. Can you say the same for SNW? S/T had one producer. That's why it sounds like a cohesive record. SNW didn't. That's why the production is all over the place.

Also, I never said Chino was the greatest lyricist of all time. No one said he had better lyrics than Lennon or Morrison. That doesn't mean his lyrics aren't often brilliant, though. Time magazine did call his lyricism "furiously intelligent". Does Maverick have stock in Time magazine too, just like allmusic.com?

Oh, and did you know that Stef wrote most of S/T? Why you hating on Stef like dat? J/K.

[Inkblades]

I quoted my own post by mistake when editing it. By the way, I think this discussion is getting good.

[Variable]

(ROFL are we even talking about Deftones anymore?!?!?!).

I never stay on topic

And yes.  I like SNW better than ST.  But my point was that just because I like SNW better than ST does not mean that I like every single song on SNW better than every single song on ST. 

Yes, chino is a douche bag these days

The production on SNW might not have been the quality a lot of people are used to.  But its what the band wanted

And yes, maverick owned stock in Time Magazine.  Madonna and Obama are planning on taking over the world in one giant civil rights movement of death.  Or didn't you know?

And im hating on stef because he was fat before chino was fat.

I gota go to bed man.  Ill be back for serious replies tomorrow.

[emehlen]

Nsync, Bacstreet,... same difference, lol

and Variable, I don't know why you don't like WGTB.  It's your loss.  I'm not trying to compare it to other songs in history or anything I just dig it.

Oh, and did you know that Stef wrote most of S/T? Why you hating on Stef like dat? J/K.

I give Variable the Player Haters Award.  Hate hate hate hate hate... hate
J/K

and I'm not a noob, thank you very little.  IDK maybe I am but that term is thrown around so loosely these days.

[Corleone]

wgtb is definately not the best song on s/t.

battle axe
deathblow
minerva
moana
lovers

i'd rather listen to any of those...

[Penicks]

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