Money and You

[Nailec]

Tru.

There is really not that much to a job, where all you do is "what you are told to do".

commercials, they never lie.

where's the pride in the gladiator...

sounds like almost every other job to me. except you have luck and can become an artist.

i like the idea of fighting for something that you are into. the problem is: its hard to decide what is really worth a physical fight and what not. my own life is worth a fight.

[whodunit?]

is there a reason that you decided to dedicate so many post to attacking my job?  You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  So I dont quite understand your motivation here.

No, I just don't like the idea of your opinion about the US being the greatest nation in the World.

but it bores me now to say shit about your profession. or maybe it's a fact that it is obligatory in Poland to serve in the army for a few months, unless you're a student. so I have to study until I'm like 30 or something. and I'd rather go to prison for not serving than to the army.

coward

variable is american and is defending his country.  you say the us sucks yet you can't even support your own dumbass polish country.

that's what I was talking about...

and you have to be a pile of mindless muscles to support my country. of course I support my country, by working hard and spreading knowledge among children.

but unless you have a gun that's not support for you, right?

[Nailec]

is there a reason that you decided to dedicate so many post to attacking my job?  You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  So I dont quite understand your motivation here.

No, I just don't like the idea of your opinion about the US being the greatest nation in the World.

but it bores me now to say shit about your profession. or maybe it's a fact that it is obligatory in Poland to serve in the army for a few months, unless you're a student. so I have to study until I'm like 30 or something. and I'd rather go to prison for not serving than to the army.

coward

variable is american and is defending his country.  you say the us sucks yet you can't even support your own dumbass polish country.

that's what I was talking about...

and you have to be a pile of mindless muscles to support my country. of course I support my country, by working hard and spreading knowledge among children.

but unless you have a gun that's not support for you, right?

you are just changing the topic now. no one ever said that this would not be something to support a country. the question is. y wouldnt you fight for it if its nessecary?

i think the discussion here gets a bit to nationalistic here. i mean you teach children to support your country? i cant really mean this.

and i dont think the variable we know wouldnt support his country if it happens that tommorow there is an evil dictator on top who seeks to destroy the whole world.

i guess he is also more supporting an idea or something.

i may be wrong. but i hope not

[wither-I]

necessity is not value.

dont make it seem that way.

war is never a necessity.

eat, fuck, sleep.
no need for "moral interpretations of phenomenon"

[untz untz untz]

is there a reason that you decided to dedicate so many post to attacking my job?  You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  So I dont quite understand your motivation here.

No, I just don't like the idea of your opinion about the US being the greatest nation in the World.

but it bores me now to say shit about your profession. or maybe it's a fact that it is obligatory in Poland to serve in the army for a few months, unless you're a student. so I have to study until I'm like 30 or something. and I'd rather go to prison for not serving than to the army.

coward

variable is american and is defending his country.  you say the us sucks yet you can't even support your own dumbass polish country.

that's what I was talking about...

and you have to be a pile of mindless muscles to support my country. of course I support my country, by working hard and spreading knowledge among children.

but unless you have a gun that's not support for you, right?

lolz, whatever softie.

[4th Eye]

and I'd rather go to prison for not serving than to the army.

What use is there to be in prison? I can understand the option of non-military service for ideological, mental or physical reasons but being in prison serves no one. I'm not fanatic about army, it's a shitty thing to go through but in addition to being prepared for the worst, it's kind of a school for life. So it serves your country and yourself too.

[wither-I]

and makes you a prisoner under command.

and that is all.

but you can still change, there is time, and the choice is yours...

"one love"

know yourself. and the world will greet you whole. know "communal logistics" and you will be lost to the world.
CHOICE

[Moz]

Goddamnit  people are you stuck in a weed infested mindset or something. Three years ago or whatever when I was still a regular here we made fun of Variable's army serving stuff but you guys are STILL doing it?

I'm glad I got outta this place.

Peace

[pissedandpierced]

I live in a small seaside village which is right next to the countryside about 40 miles from Norwich. Financially I am doing ok, alot better than I was but since my mum died me, my brother and his bint of a girlfriend have had to take on our house which we have lived in for 25 years and the morgage is £650 a month and it's about £900 including council tax and utilities and I spend about £170 a month paying personal debts, £80 for travel and I can earn anything from £800 to £1000 per month. The rest of the money is for living which isn't much as I have just taken a seasonal second job which I get about £35 per week which covers my food and smoking bills.

[Jerry_Curls]

Goddamnit  people are you stuck in a weed infested mindset or something. Three years ago or whatever when I was still a regular here we made fun of Variable's army serving stuff but you guys are STILL doing it?

I'm glad I got outta this place.

Peace

Cool. Don't come back.

[untz untz untz]

The generations after me are so dumb.  I see it all over the place, not just on this board.

[Jerry_Curls]

The Pending Financial Disaster by Ron Paul




The following statement is written by Congressman Paul about the pending financial disaster. He will introduce this statement as a special order and insert it into the Congressional Record next week. Fortunately, we have the opportunity to debut it first on the Campaign for Liberty blog. It reads as follows:

I have, for the past 35 years, expressed my grave concern for the future of America. The course we have taken over the past century has threatened our liberties, security and prosperity. In spite of these long-held concerns, I have days—growing more frequent all the time—when I'm convinced the time is now upon us that some Big Events are about to occur. These fast-approaching events will not go unnoticed. They will affect all of us. They will not be limited to just some areas of our country. The world economy and political system will share in the chaos about to be unleashed.

Though the world has long suffered from the senselessness of wars that should have been avoided, my greatest fear is that the course on which we find ourselves will bring even greater conflict and economic suffering to the innocent people of the world—unless we quickly change our ways.

America, with her traditions of free markets and property rights, led the way toward great wealth and progress throughout the world as well as at home. Since we have lost our confidence in the principles of liberty, self reliance, hard work and frugality, and instead took on empire building, financed through inflation and debt, all this has changed. This is indeed frightening and an historic event.

The problem we face is not new in history. Authoritarianism has been around a long time. For centuries, inflation and debt have been used by tyrants to hold power, promote aggression, and provide "bread and circuses" for the people. The notion that a country can afford "guns and butter" with no significant penalty existed even before the 1960s when it became a popular slogan. It was then, though, we were told the Vietnam War and a massive expansion of the welfare state were not problems. The seventies proved that assumption wrong.

Today things are different from even ancient times or the 1970s. There is something to the argument that we are now a global economy. The world has more people and is more integrated due to modern technology, communications, and travel. If modern technology had been used to promote the ideas of liberty, free markets, sound money and trade, it would have ushered in a new golden age—a globalism we could accept.

Instead, the wealth and freedom we now enjoy are shrinking and rest upon a fragile philosophic infrastructure. It is not unlike the levies and bridges in our own country that our system of war and welfare has caused us to ignore.

I'm fearful that my concerns have been legitimate and may even be worse than I first thought. They are now at our doorstep. Time is short for making a course correction before this grand experiment in liberty goes into deep hibernation.

There are reasons to believe this coming crisis is different and bigger than the world has ever experienced. Instead of using globalism in a positive fashion, it's been used to globalize all of the mistakes of the politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers.

Being an unchallenged sole superpower was never accepted by us with a sense of humility and respect. Our arrogance and aggressiveness have been used to promote a world empire backed by the most powerful army of history. This type of globalist intervention creates problems for all citizens of the world and fails to contribute to the well-being of the world's populations. Just think how our personal liberties have been trashed here at home in the last decade.

The financial crisis, still in its early stages, is apparent to everyone: gasoline prices over $4 a gallon; skyrocketing education and medical-care costs; the collapse of the housing bubble; the bursting of the NASDAQ bubble; stockmarkets plunging; unemployment rising;, massive underemployment; excessive government debt; and unmanageable personal debt. Little doubt exists as to whether we'll get stagflation. The question that will soon be asked is: When will the stagflation become an inflationary depression?

There are various reasons that the world economy has been globalized and the problems we face are worldwide. We cannot understand what we're facing without understanding fiat money and the long-developing dollar bubble.

There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 to 1933, the Central Bank established itself as the official dollar manager. By 1933, Americans could no longer own gold, thus removing restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for war and welfare.

By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the Bretton-Woods Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency of the world. This system lasted up until 1971. During the period between 1945 and 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place. Foreigners, but not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an ounce. Due to the excessive dollars being created, that system came to an end in 1971.

It's the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for globalizing inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic worldwide dollar bubble. That bubble is now bursting, and we're seeing what it's like to suffer the consequences of the many previous economic errors.

Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this very flawed system. Because the world accepted dollars as if they were gold, we only had to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas (indirectly encouraging our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy unearned prosperity. Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and services were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us. This allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now are starting to see.

But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the piper. Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated. Our entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more reluctant to hold dollars. The consequence of that decision is price inflation in this country—and that's what we are witnessing today. Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a consequence of foreign central bank's willingness to monetize our debt.

Printing dollars over long periods of time may not immediately push prices up–yet in time it always does. Now we're seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply. As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning. It's a gross distraction to hound away at "drill, drill, drill" as a solution to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.

This bubble is different and bigger for another reason. The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy. I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to "monetize" U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone—especially the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand. As this "gift" to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.

This time—since there are so many dollars and so many countries involved—the Fed has been able to "paper" over every approaching crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the bubble to become history's greatest.

The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction. This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments, and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end. We don't have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.

Since the correction of all this misallocation of resources is necessary and must come, one can look for some good that may come as this "Big Even" unfolds.

There are two choices that people can make. The one choice that is unavailable to us is to limp along with the status quo and prop up the system with more debt, inflation and lies. That won't happen.

One of the two choices, and the one chosen so often by government in the past is that of rejecting the principles of liberty and resorting to even bigger and more authoritarian government. Some argue that giving dictatorial powers to the President, just as we have allowed him to run the American empire, is what we should do. That's the great danger, and in this post-911 atmosphere, too many Americans are seeking safety over freedom. We have already lost too many of our personal liberties already. Real fear of economic collapse could prompt central planners to act to such a degree that the New Deal of the 30's might look like Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.

The more the government is allowed to do in taking over and running the economy, the deeper the depression gets and the longer it lasts. That was the story of the 30ss and the early 40s, and the same mistakes are likely to be made again if we do not wake up.

But the good news is that it need not be so bad if we do the right thing. I saw "Something Big" happening in the past 18 months on the campaign trail. I was encouraged that we are capable of waking up and doing the right thing. I have literally met thousands of high school and college kids who are quite willing to accept the challenge and responsibility of a free society and reject the cradle-to-grave welfare that is promised them by so many do-good politicians.

If more hear the message of liberty, more will join in this effort. The failure of our foreign policy, welfare system, and monetary policies and virtually all government solutions are so readily apparent, it doesn't take that much convincing. But the positive message of how freedom works and why it's possible is what is urgently needed.

One of the best parts of accepting self reliance in a free society is that true personal satisfaction with one's own life can be achieved. This doesn't happen when the government assumes the role of guardian, parent or provider, because it eliminates a sense of pride. But the real problem is the government can't provide the safety and economic security that it claims. The so-called good that government claims it can deliver is always achieved at the expense of someone else's freedom. It's a failed system and the young people know it.

Restoring a free society doesn't eliminate the need to get our house in order and to pay for the extravagant spending. But the pain would not be long-lasting if we did the right things, and best of all the empire would have to end for financial reasons. Our wars would stop, the attack on civil liberties would cease, and prosperity would return. The choices are clear: it shouldn't be difficult, but the big event now unfolding gives us a great opportunity to reverse the tide and resume the truly great American Revolution started in 1776. Opportunity knocks in spite of the urgency and the dangers we face.
Let's make "Something Big is Happening" be the discovery that freedom works and is popular and the big economic and political event we're witnessing is a blessing in disguise.

[wither-I]

the war on terrorism is a desperate act to retrieve step and place.

bad idea.

[wither-I]

Goddamnit  people are you stuck in a weed infested mindset or something. Three years ago or whatever when I was still a regular here we made fun of Variable's army serving stuff but you guys are STILL doing it?

I'm glad I got outta this place.

Peace

somethings will never change... doo doo doo dooooo

thats just the way it is... do doo do doo doooo

[wither-I]

The generations after me are so dumb.  I see it all over the place, not just on this board.

im with you on this. although im not sure which generation you are of?

im 23 and i like to think many in my "litter" are pretty washed, and the ones below me are getting less creative than ever because they use robots to do "their laundry".

except for some unknown reason, people love to disagree with or critisize my philosophies of peace and love and rebellion of injustices via "creation".
i guess people just really "want" to continue living their absurd and "granted/given" sentences of lives...

theres no hope in the proles.

[Oldnewtype]

glad you posted that jerry curls

[Nailec]

can someone sum up was paul was trying to say there?

i read it but i didnt understand his message at all.

is he saying that if the people would be more free then the world market would be more free and everything would be just fine?

[Oldnewtype]

they are taking our rights and original freedom away and if we dont stand up together against them were going to become a nation of slaves

[Variable]

Well that is one way to look at it.....

He is pretty much communicating the same message that Thomas Jefferson was trying to communicate to George Washington.  Jefferson had amazing foresight.  That's why him and Hamilton hated eachother so much.  He was able to see the potential evil of the treasury department.

Congressman Paul was speaking about the economic disasters of the US over the past 100 years.  I think the most legitimate point he made was about how big of a mistake it was to take America off of the Gold standard.

I guess you dont need a huge explanation, that's why you didn't read it in the first place.  So to sum it up real short....Inflation = Taxation without representation, Foreign spending needs to end right now,  Big government = bad ( paul is a republican after all, a traditional republican (( Very unlike George Bush)) believes in the smallest amount of government possible) True well fare is not a hand out, but a stable economy, Credit had put americans in way too much debt because we all try to live outside our means, and the government cant produce the economy we are hoping for.  We must take the power away from the government and once again build up the value of the dollar with hard work, discretionary spending, free trade, the gold standard, and stay the fuck away from centralized banking......that's what he thinks anyways.

[goldpony]

We must take the power away from the government and once again build up the value of the dollar with hard work, discretionary spending, free trade, the gold standard, and stay the fuck away from centralized banking......that's what he thinks anyways.

well said, but one reason we were taken off the gold standard is because we didn't have enough gold to back the value of our dollar. that may have changed since then considering our dollar is pretty much worthless at this point (compared to other large countries). as for free trade, NAFTA is one of the programs that got us into the mess we're in today. i'm all for free trade but not at the expense of jobs, which is what NAFTA did. hard work and discretionary spending is the result of proper parenting, which as a nation, we seem to be doing a poor job of. the real way to fix this mess is to reenact the balanced budget amendment (almost every state is required by law to have a balanced budget, why not the federal goverment?), find a way to minimize spending on the war (withdrawal is not an option at this point) and embrace the pickens plan or some form of it (if we can get a man on the moon in less than a decade, there is no excuse that we cant become energy independent within a decade). just my two cents