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wheresmysnare

'change' is so vague, but then the slogan won him the election, that and having a cool 'film like' voice.....almost feels like a self-help guru rather than a hard nosed politician that's gonna get stuff done. Still, we'll see.

devilinside

I was watching him walk on the news last night,he's got a nice stride. lol

shine down unshy

He's got that pimp stride.

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oldgentlovecraft

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jan 28, 2009, 05:00 AM
What??..did you pledge to roll your eyes whenever someone doesn't like your messiah?

You're almost as annoying as Ross.

Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:43 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jan 28, 2009, 06:32 AM
Not if we take him out of his presidency.

Not gonna happen...I'm sure you're a smart guy Jerry,you know that's not gonna happen.

Quote
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.

So now it's bitching for informing people of the things that  are happening in this country? Letting people know that he is just another fucking puppet...Fuck being a sheep...I will not accept him as my president.


Shit like this has been around for every president Jerry,Obama's not the first to have a lot of die hard supporters. And call them what you want,but I wouldn't consider people who are genuinely happy about POSSIBLE change,sheep.  And you don't have to accept the fact he's your President....but he is.

Exactly.

Starz

#704
Mr. Obama and his continuation of Bush's policies, so he's ordered the Guantanamo detention facility to be closed within 12 months but yet the goat herders in Guantanamo won't be returned to their families, they are getting sent to special gulags that have already been set up in places like Eastern Europe, Egypt and Jordan etc... Hardly sounds like civil rights to me... But another tit-bit of what is to come from Obama aside from more abortions in China and Africa and the continued use of Gulags, is that he's now fired missles in Pakistan. His re-deployment of troops from Iraq into Afgahnistan was a sign of his intent towards the nuclear armed Pakistan, and now he has concreted this policy by firing missles and kiling at least 20 Pakistani's over the weekend... check out the Washington Post's article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012304189.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Obama will not change anything for the good... He is only their to neutralise the left and to continue the globalists agenda and if you live or have family in Pakistan then I would re-locate or build a bunker.

Variable

Oh my, so much to respond to.  Good thing I have great finger genetics for typing.

Alright.  First off, those videos jerry.  The fucking kids in that first video did a good job memorizing bullets from Obamas web site about his health care plan.  But they have no fucking clue what it actually is, or the impact it would have on America (a very negative one in my educated opinion).  But you can't say that Americans who once might have viewed themselves as African Americans, thus a lesser citizen of America, Now believing that they are truly on the same playing field and can do whatever they dream, is a bad thing.  Ill give the video that much

The 2nd?  Well all those celbs pledged a lot of shit that should have been happening way before Obama.  In fact, a lot of it used to happen all the time 50 fucking years ago.  That is why so many conservatives are conservative.  They liked the good clean society of America, and wanted to keep it like that.  Its fucking pathetic if it took Obama to make those bone heads realize all that.  And I am pretty much positive that none of them actually did any of it.
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 28, 2009, 05:07 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.
well said.
Like the two of you didn't bitch and moan the entire time Bush was in office.  Don't be haters just because Jerry is doing it to your golden boy.  Jerry is inspired for a cause.  He is trying to spread information to people, that they might not otherwise ever see.  That is not a bad thing.  If you guys watched his videos, and read his articles, you probably would learn a lot and understand why he is being so critical.  Either way, its never a bad thing to be critical of a person in office.  Its the closest thing we can do to keeping them honest.
Quote from: White Pwny on Jan 28, 2009, 03:02 PM
*sigh*


God people.   If anyone thinks Obama is a Messiah, they are delusional.   I like him, and I HOPE that he can change shit.   Of course it won't happen overnight.     I think it's a great step in the right direction.   It's outside the box, and I am proud of the people for voting that way.   We would have been FUCKT if it was McCain and Palin.   Cmon now.   You don't have to be a SHEEP.. but whether you like it or NOT, Jerry... he IS the president of the United States.   Hey, since yer so offended by him... what are you planning to do with the stimulus he plans to give to you?    If you don't want it, you can send it my way!   =o) 
What exactly is outside the box?  Because the democrats have been selling this BS for years.  It just so happens they got a better salesman this year.  And I seriously doubt that any of you rejected Bush's stimulus package.  Which by the way didn't work, and Obama is doing all over again.  Hmmmmm.  If Obama actually wanted you to have money, he would cut your fucking income tax tomorrow.  So by next pay day, you would already have a couple more hundred bucks, and it would be continuous.  But oh, then he couldn't pay the the expansion of government anymore.  AKA less control for you over your life, more control for him over your life.  Good luck with that one kids.  I highly suggest that you ALL read John Locke's the second treatise of government and a letter concerning toleration before you ever vote on anything that has to do with the government again.  And for me to be proud of the way this country voted.  They would have had to vote against the current and vote in any number of the fabulous 3rd party candidates who actually understand a thing or two about how to govern a country, instead of voting with the hype.
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:43 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jan 28, 2009, 06:32 AM
Not if we take him out of his presidency.

Not gonna happen...I'm sure you're a smart guy Jerry,you know that's not gonna happen.

Quote
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.

So now it's bitching for informing people of the things that  are happening in this country? Letting people know that he is just another fucking puppet...Fuck being a sheep...I will not accept him as my president.


Shit like this has been around for every president Jerry,Obama's not the first to have a lot of die hard supporters. And call them what you want,but I wouldn't consider people who are genuinely happy about POSSIBLE change,sheep.  And you don't have to accept the fact he's your President....but he is.
you're missing his point ( probably because you don't ever watch his videos or read his articles.  I could be wrong though ) His point isn't that a lot of people like him and are excited.  Its that people, A LOT of people, are fanatics about him.  They will dangerously follow him into anything without question.  No matter what he says, its gold to them.  That is extremely dangerous.  Many , many great men of past America history have warned us about not being watchful and critical of our politicians.  Most of them very accomplished politicians themselves.  People might want to get over the fucking presidential honey moon, and get back to giving a fuck about their country again.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 28, 2009, 05:57 PM
OH NO CHANGE FOR THE GOOD?!? I don't think I can handle it!


go listen to Rush Limbaugh's president-hating, hoping-for-failure ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuYjWbAU2eU
This one is easy.  What change?  And for what good? ( I'm not actually expecting a reply, because I know you cant intelligently give one )
Quote from: Starz on Jan 28, 2009, 10:09 PM
Mr. Obama and his continuation of Bush's policies, so he's ordered the Guantanamo detention facility to be closed within 12 months but yet the goat herders in Guantanamo won't be returned to their families, they are getting sent to special gulags that have already been set up in places like Eastern Europe, Egypt and Jordan etc... Hardly sounds like civil rights to me... But another tit-bit of what is to come from Obama aside from more abortions in China and Africa and the continued use of Gulags, is that he's now fired missles in Pakistan. His re-deployment of troops from Iraq into Afgahnistan was a sign of his intent towards the nuclear armed Pakistan, and now he has concreted this policy by firing missles and kiling at least 20 Pakistani's over the weekend... check out the Washington Post's article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012304189.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Obama will not change anything for the good... He is only their to neutralise the left and to continue the globalists agenda and if you live or have family in Pakistan then I would re-locate or build a bunker.
very good points.  But for some reason people always ignore those very good points about Obama.  I have been telling the guys at work not to plan on getting out of the military any time soon.  Because were all going to Afghanistan for a troop build up ( I'm already slated to be there in less than a year ) and once the build up is big enough, rolling across the border into Pakistan bitches.  The words stop and loss are going to get thrown around like its fucking cool.  I have been saying it since I first heard Obamas Foreign relations policies.  lol, it makes me laugh that America thinks they voted in favor of the troops.  He is already on planning on cutting our funding like crazy, no more pay raises, is keeping something like 40,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely ( aka FOREVER ) , sending more troops to Afghanistan ( meaning less time home on the deployment rotations ) , then hes going to start a whole new war in a place that............. If yall thought Iraq was bad, don't expect too many to come home from an initial push into the tribal areas of Pakistan.  Thats the truth.  lol, thanks America for supporting the troops.

13hourstoparadise

Too much in this thread to read...

If someone rapes a child, or anyone for that matter I think they should be executed. Period. But then again I'm for assisted suicide, I am also stubborn; why didn't our culture didn't adapt the true, raw, honor of suicide like Ronin or the Samurai. Suicide should be embraced, rather than murder IMO. Holy shit that was the most emo thing I've ever said.

Starz

You should read some of it man as a lot of good points are being made.

@Variable: If you're being slated to be in Afghanistan in the next year or so, does that mean if troops are sent into Pakistan, you could possibly be one of them?


devilinside

The whole $335 million going to STD shit is absurd! 


wither-I

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!


"coming into the nearness of distance"

wither-I

#710
Quote from: Variable on Jan 29, 2009, 02:14 AM
Oh my, so much to respond to.  Good thing I have great finger genetics for typing.

Alright.  First off, those videos jerry.  The fucking kids in that first video did a good job memorizing bullets from Obamas web site about his health care plan.  But they have no fucking clue what it actually is, or the impact it would have on America (a very negative one in my educated opinion).  But you can't say that Americans who once might have viewed themselves as African Americans, thus a lesser citizen of America, Now believing that they are truly on the same playing field and can do whatever they dream, is a bad thing.  Ill give the video that much

The 2nd?  Well all those celbs pledged a lot of shit that should have been happening way before Obama.  In fact, a lot of it used to happen all the time 50 fucking years ago.  That is why so many conservatives are conservative.  They liked the good clean society of America, and wanted to keep it like that.  Its fucking pathetic if it took Obama to make those bone heads realize all that.  And I am pretty much positive that none of them actually did any of it.
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 28, 2009, 05:07 AM
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.
well said.
Like the two of you didn't bitch and moan the entire time Bush was in office.  Don't be haters just because Jerry is doing it to your golden boy.  Jerry is inspired for a cause.  He is trying to spread information to people, that they might not otherwise ever see.  That is not a bad thing.  If you guys watched his videos, and read his articles, you probably would learn a lot and understand why he is being so critical.  Either way, its never a bad thing to be critical of a person in office.  Its the closest thing we can do to keeping them honest.
Quote from: White Pwny on Jan 28, 2009, 03:02 PM
*sigh*


God people.   If anyone thinks Obama is a Messiah, they are delusional.   I like him, and I HOPE that he can change shit.   Of course it won't happen overnight.     I think it's a great step in the right direction.   It's outside the box, and I am proud of the people for voting that way.   We would have been FUCKT if it was McCain and Palin.   Cmon now.   You don't have to be a SHEEP.. but whether you like it or NOT, Jerry... he IS the president of the United States.   Hey, since yer so offended by him... what are you planning to do with the stimulus he plans to give to you?    If you don't want it, you can send it my way!   =o) 
What exactly is outside the box?  Because the democrats have been selling this BS for years.  It just so happens they got a better salesman this year.  And I seriously doubt that any of you rejected Bush's stimulus package.  Which by the way didn't work, and Obama is doing all over again.  Hmmmmm.  If Obama actually wanted you to have money, he would cut your fucking income tax tomorrow.  So by next pay day, you would already have a couple more hundred bucks, and it would be continuous.  But oh, then he couldn't pay the the expansion of government anymore.  AKA less control for you over your life, more control for him over your life.  Good luck with that one kids.  I highly suggest that you ALL read John Locke's the second treatise of government and a letter concerning toleration before you ever vote on anything that has to do with the government again.  And for me to be proud of the way this country voted.  They would have had to vote against the current and vote in any number of the fabulous 3rd party candidates who actually understand a thing or two about how to govern a country, instead of voting with the hype.
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:43 PM
Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jan 28, 2009, 06:32 AM
Not if we take him out of his presidency.

Not gonna happen...I'm sure you're a smart guy Jerry,you know that's not gonna happen.

Quote
Quote from: devilinside on Jan 28, 2009, 05:04 AM
I wasn't rolling my eye's at the video's you posted,I didn't even bother to watch them. I was rolling my eyes at

Quote from: lostpilot on Jan 27, 2009, 10:16 AM
so, americans, how's your CHANGE going on?
.


And I could give a fuck who likes Obama.....your bitching about it and posting all your videos won't change the fact that he's YOUR President.

So now it's bitching for informing people of the things that  are happening in this country? Letting people know that he is just another fucking puppet...Fuck being a sheep...I will not accept him as my president.


Shit like this has been around for every president Jerry,Obama's not the first to have a lot of die hard supporters. And call them what you want,but I wouldn't consider people who are genuinely happy about POSSIBLE change,sheep.  And you don't have to accept the fact he's your President....but he is.
you're missing his point ( probably because you don't ever watch his videos or read his articles.  I could be wrong though ) His point isn't that a lot of people like him and are excited.  Its that people, A LOT of people, are fanatics about him.  They will dangerously follow him into anything without question.  No matter what he says, its gold to them.  That is extremely dangerous.  Many , many great men of past America history have warned us about not being watchful and critical of our politicians.  Most of them very accomplished politicians themselves.  People might want to get over the fucking presidential honey moon, and get back to giving a fuck about their country again.
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Jan 28, 2009, 05:57 PM
OH NO CHANGE FOR THE GOOD?!? I don't think I can handle it!


go listen to Rush Limbaugh's president-hating, hoping-for-failure ass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuYjWbAU2eU
This one is easy.  What change?  And for what good? ( I'm not actually expecting a reply, because I know you cant intelligently give one )
Quote from: Starz on Jan 28, 2009, 10:09 PM
Mr. Obama and his continuation of Bush's policies, so he's ordered the Guantanamo detention facility to be closed within 12 months but yet the goat herders in Guantanamo won't be returned to their families, they are getting sent to special gulags that have already been set up in places like Eastern Europe, Egypt and Jordan etc... Hardly sounds like civil rights to me... But another tit-bit of what is to come from Obama aside from more abortions in China and Africa and the continued use of Gulags, is that he's now fired missles in Pakistan. His re-deployment of troops from Iraq into Afgahnistan was a sign of his intent towards the nuclear armed Pakistan, and now he has concreted this policy by firing missles and kiling at least 20 Pakistani's over the weekend... check out the Washington Post's article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012304189.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

Obama will not change anything for the good... He is only their to neutralise the left and to continue the globalists agenda and if you live or have family in Pakistan then I would re-locate or build a bunker.
very good points.  But for some reason people always ignore those very good points about Obama.  I have been telling the guys at work not to plan on getting out of the military any time soon.  Because were all going to Afghanistan for a troop build up ( I'm already slated to be there in less than a year ) and once the build up is big enough, rolling across the border into Pakistan bitches.  The words stop and loss are going to get thrown around like its fucking cool.  I have been saying it since I first heard Obamas Foreign relations policies.  lol, it makes me laugh that America thinks they voted in favor of the troops.  He is already on planning on cutting our funding like crazy, no more pay raises, is keeping something like 40,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely ( aka FOREVER ) , sending more troops to Afghanistan ( meaning less time home on the deployment rotations ) , then hes going to start a whole new war in a place that............. If yall thought Iraq was bad, don't expect too many to come home from an initial push into the tribal areas of Pakistan.  Thats the truth.  lol, thanks America for supporting the troops.
Variable, thank you.

i could never say it this well or even close. the fact is, you know more than any of us because you are active in the military. And also very educated of the history and logistics of  government doctrine.
it is so true about people falling ill to the hype to where they would do anything. the videos speak slavery to me.  "yes we can!"
"YES WE CAN!" its scary actually... very scary...

i wonder how this all will trun out scenario-wise... but i dont think it will be good at all... i think the people who support this theory of "change" and the whole campaign will not just be let down but will be surmounted by excruciating guilt once they see where this may lead. i could be wrong but rulers who preach change and hope, and all that is good, are lying through their charisma. like i say, if you want a change, bring on the Gandhi, or the Buddah, or the Jesus Christ.. people who had  NO ruling or authority and were rather "humble"- which is the only position where you can "preach" what really matters and that is LOVE!!!

dont be a fool there is always something better that no government or stimulous can bring into your life.

"coming into the nearness of distance"

Nailec

Quotethis theory of "change

what theory is this?

this is y jerry curls points seem somehow pathetic to me. all i see is a campaing made by technocrats that want to sell america flags and obama merchandise. there is no ideology that can be critizized here.

if anything seems wrong than it is the structure of the whole thing. it has the structure of a mass movement, an in-group in that some individuals may possibly be able to attack out-group members. those that arent conform with everything, critizie it etc.
but to my eyes this has nothing to do with obama and his theory then, because there is no such thing, no theoretic basis.


we had the thing going on here in germany during soccer em and wm. every fucktard here bought a german flag or a germany tshirt or what do i know. it kinda felt wrong and of course there have been racist attacks in some cities. to my eyes they those attacks would have been done without those big events anyways. but the racist motivation wasnt brought by the "you are germany" campaign.


Variable

#712
Quote from: 13hourstoparadise on Jan 29, 2009, 05:12 AM
Too much in this thread to read...

If someone rapes a child, or anyone for that matter I think they should be executed. Period. But then again I'm for assisted suicide, I am also stubborn; why didn't our culture didn't adapt the true, raw, honor of suicide like Ronin or the Samurai. Suicide should be embraced, rather than murder IMO. Holy shit that was the most emo thing I've ever said.
lol, bro we stopped talking about child rape like 5 months ago.
Quote from: Starz on Jan 29, 2009, 12:18 PM
You should read some of it man as a lot of good points are being made.

@Variable: If you're being slated to be in Afghanistan in the next year or so, does that mean if troops are sent into Pakistan, you could possibly be one of them?


Oh for sure.  People get extended all the time.  The last group of Marines that got sent to Afghanistan got extended two or three times.  But if a whole new war breaks out, especially in Pakistan, I would for sure be rolling across.  But I mean, not just me.  A lot of military bases nation wide would be empty.  If Obamas defense team is smarter that Bush's ( with the exception of Powell) then they would send an overwhelming amount of troops over to Pakistan to try to make an unstoppable momentum and minimize casualties on the ground.  But I guess no one here is really looking for tips on war strategy.

Pretty much, my first time in Afghanistan was great.  It's kind of the wild west over there.  A lot of room  for us to actually use our brains and act accordingly.  But I'm a bit worried with this troop increase that its going to turn into Iraq.  Just so much politics and having to get authorization for everything and all that bull shit.  we will see though.

Quote from: devilinside on Jan 29, 2009, 01:17 PM
The whole $335 million going to STD shit is absurd! 
What are you talking abot exactly Mrs. Kelly?
Quote from: wither-I on Jan 29, 2009, 02:25 PM
Variable, thank you.

i could never say it this well or even close. the fact is, you know more than any of us because you are active in the military. And also very educated of the history and logistics of  government doctrine.
it is so true about people falling ill to the hype to where they would do anything. the videos speak slavery to me.  "yes we can!"
"YES WE CAN!" its scary actually... very scary...

i wonder how this all will trun out scenario-wise... but i dont think it will be good at all... i think the people who support this theory of "change" and the whole campaign will not just be let down but will be surmounted by excruciating guilt once they see where this may lead. i could be wrong but rulers who preach change and hope, and all that is good, are lying through their charisma. like i say, if you want a change, bring on the Gandhi, or the Buddah, or the Jesus Christ.. people who had  NO ruling or authority and were rather "humble"- which is the only position where you can "preach" what really matters and that is LOVE!!!

dont be a fool there is always something better that no government or stimulous can bring into your life.
I try.  Thanks though.  Haven't seen you around for a while.  Good to see you back.  Nailec too.  Looks like a good Obama discussion brings the free thinkers out of the woodwork. 

I hear what you're saying about how scary this potentially is.  But I hope to god its just potential.  I'm really hoping that as bad as everything has been since......like fucking FDR or maybe even before, that it just doesn't get any worse.  Obviously we aren't going to get a truly dynamic president ( like in my opinion Ron Paul ) any time soon.  So the most I can hope for is that what Jerry is talking about doesn't actually happen.  If people literally start following the executive branch blindly no matter what.  I really don't know what is going to happen.  I imagine some red dawn type scenarios though.   

Interesting though.  I was talking to my friend stephany the other night.  I have mentioned her many times here.  A very educated , very intelligent, but thinks exact opposite of me with politics, young lady.  And we both kind of agreed that we did this shit to ourselves.  People stopped paying attention to their local elections.  Elections for congressmen and senators.  Even state senators and governors.  They truly do have the constitutional power ( along with the supreme court ) to stop the executive brach in its tracks.  But we keep electing in a bunch of cowards and partisan bitches to office who don't stand for anything.  I truly believe that this is probably one of the best ways to put an end to the rapid expansion of government and the executive branch.  We could get a lot done if we put the right people on the hill.
Quote from: Nailec on Jan 29, 2009, 03:14 PM
Quotethis theory of "change

what theory is this?

this is y jerry curls points seem somehow pathetic to me. all i see is a campaing made by technocrats that want to sell america flags and obama merchandise. there is no ideology that can be critizized here.

if anything seems wrong than it is the structure of the whole thing. it has the structure of a mass movement, an in-group in that some individuals may possibly be able to attack out-group members. those that arent conform with everything, critizie it etc.
but to my eyes this has nothing to do with obama and his theory then, because there is no such thing, no theoretic basis.


we had the thing going on here in germany during soccer em and wm. every fucktard here bought a german flag or a germany tshirt or what do i know. it kinda felt wrong and of course there have been racist attacks in some cities. to my eyes they those attacks would have been done without those big events anyways. but the racist motivation wasnt brought by the "you are germany" campaign.


like I said, its good to see you around again.  Maybe its just because I am exhausted.  But I really don't get what you're trying to say. 

From what I do gather though.  I would say that Obama's theory of change is that if you tell people it will be different, then tell people that it is different, it doesn't really matter that nothing is different, they will believe it to be so.  Especially if you can distract them with some bull shit about being historical and progressive.  No one pays attention to the actual facts.  It worked great for him.  He was almost identical to McCain in his views on how to govern.  But most people to this day still think of them as different as night and day.  So ill end this with a quote from one of your favorites " How great for governments, that the people don't think " -Adolf Hitler


devilinside

Quote from: Variable on Jan 30, 2009, 12:23 AM


Quote from: devilinside on Jan 29, 2009, 01:17 PM
The whole $335 million going to STD shit is absurd! 
What are you talking abot exactly Mrs. Kelly?

This:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212203687.shtml


I mean,I can understand it's a preventative measure as far as health care goes,kinda getting to the root before it gets serious,but seriously,$335 million fucking dollars cause people can't put a fucking condom on or use a fucking dental dam?? I think the money should go elsewhere....

Variable

See, that is what we are talking about.  Obama supporters challenging Obama.  That is what we need.  Its cool that your boy is in office.  But now we need you guys more than anyone to be like " woh buddy, at ease.  This is not what we elected you for. "  Because honestly, its probably pretty fucking hard to make these kind of decisions as president.  I mean think about it.  By the time you reach that level, you are probably pretty disconnected.  So even if you genuinely want to represent the majority as best as possible, it might be really hard.  He needs people to fly the bull shit flag so that he knows how to better serve people.  Not just have the large masses praise him at every move regardless of its consequences. 

There were a few other things too.  Like some shit for amtrack, a few billion for climate change research ( which is cool I guess, but has nothing to do with the economy ) some analog to digital changeover coupons.....I cant remember them all.  O'reilly was calling him out on it and I caught it while I was in the chow hall.  But there was a lot of BS that had nothing to do with creating jobs or unfreezing credit.  But it passed, all of it.  Even though every single republican voted against it.  I wonder if the Dems voted for it unanimously?

devilinside

I dont know,but I think they should have just given American taxpayers a portion of that money,and let it help boost the economy. And the cable thing....laughable. I know I wouldn't have voted for it.

13hourstoparadise

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Quote from: devilinside on Jan 29, 2009, 01:17 PM
The whole $335 million going to STD shit is absurd! 
What are you talking abot exactly Mrs. Kelly?

This:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212203687.shtml


I mean,I can understand it's a preventative measure as far as health care goes,kinda getting to the root before it gets serious,but seriously,$335 million fucking dollars cause people can't put a fucking condom on or use a fucking dental dam?? I think the money should go elsewhere....

Like war? That amount is NOTHING compared to the war. That is about 5 cents to one billion dollars.

People are NOT smart enough to use a condom, and in many cases that still doesn't help. For instance HPV, it spreads like crazy, mainly pussy juices... But it can cause cancer in the female parts... Much needed research. Just one example.

wheresmysnare

they dont have GUM clinics in the US? i went to one in the UK last month, turns out i had the clap

Nailec

Quotelike I said, its good to see you around again.  Maybe its just because I am exhausted.  But I really don't get what you're trying to say.

excuse my bad english. i dont use it in daily life and till now i had no chance to live in some english-speaking country for a while.

the take home message reverbalized:

"Change" is not an ideology. i think it is nothing more than a marketing campaign. the intension of obama`s "change" seems pretty empty to me. it is just a phrase that can be filled different by different people.

so it seems ridiculous to me to accuse him to propagate an ideology or a potent dangerous mass movement.
as far as i know he didnt write such thing as "Mein Kampf".



its weekend. i got some time to read some news of the past week. all i noticed is that he has done (or at least said or concluded) a lot of positive things.

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