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Variable

Quote from: sharinglungs on Nov 15, 2008, 07:49 AM
Quote from: Variable on Nov 15, 2008, 07:05 AM
I cant believe that none of you are talking about Hilary being the likely pick for secretary of state.  Kelly, I waited all day for you to be able to be the one to break this news.  But it seems you have gone to bed.  So ill go ahead and be the one to do it.  This is a huge honor for her.  That being said, I think it is a terrible idea. ( hold on Kelly, just hear me out before you hit me )

This has nothing to do with Hilary being Hilary.  If anyone actually cared enough I know that you could go back a few months and look up me talking about Obama and his lack of experience.  I said that the only way I saw him being successful is if he had a really strong secretary of state.  I know that I mentioned Secretary of State over any of the other cabinet members because in my opinion, this is more important than all of the others.  Including VP(thats why I didn't really give two shits about Biden or Palin).  Hints why Powell had to leave the Bush administration.  It is too powerful of a position for such a smart person to have when the president is.....Bush.  Thats why Rice was the perfect " YES SIR!" for the job.....anyways back on topic

I don't agree with Hilary Clinton.  But I do respect her.  I think she deserved the candidacy more than Obama.  However I didn't think either of them were ready for that job to begin with.  And I don't think she is ready for this.  The secretary of state is a huge job.  The first secretary of state was Thomas Jefferson for crying out loud.  Think about it.  This person pretty much carries the US on their shoulders to keep us afloat in the world while the president fucks up taxes and goes on presidential retreats.  You need a very seasoned, very well traveled, very well know ( internationally ) , very well respected ( internationally ) , and very charismatic as well as intelligent person for this job.  Hilary might be all of these things but seasoned and respected( abroad ).  I just think it is a bad idea. 


Oh Variable.. You're the brainwashed people that Faux News likes to report to.
Shut the fuck up. ( that is the most intelligent response you deserve )
Quote from: bright lights, big city on Nov 15, 2008, 07:55 AM
i think she can be fine. i just don't care for the fact that all the top democrats are leaving the house and senate.

even though he's a republican, i think someone like Dick Lugar from indiana would be even better for the job though.
This is a big job my man. Not something to give away with a popularity contest.  If we are truly trying to change things ( which this guy is all about ) Hillary is not the woman for the job. I'm sorry, this is just too important of a job.  Charisma and clout wont earn her shit.  You have to be the real deal.  Like I said, Thomas Jefferson......think about it.

Law

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It's hard to understand the mind set of a real warrior of you have never walked those shoes.  It takes something else to be the guy that runs towards the gun fire ( marines ) rather than the guy that runs away ( The Army )

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
-- John F. Kennedy


did he say that right before he sent troops to Vietnam?

That doesn't matter, I don't care who said it, the point still stands.
lol.  I kind of have to disagree with you.  I think that too often people focus on the unobtainable and ignore reality.  There are all kinds of wonderful ideals out there that would just be amazing if they were plausible.  But they really aren't.  So if you have a man speaking with conviction of Ideals, who then had to give them up in order to start the longest war In US history.  I think that speaks a great amount all on its own.

Or, maybe he just said that because he knew its what people would want to hear.  In which case it makes it even more BS.


Well maybe that is the case, but the words mean a lot in principle, hence my point. I know hard for you to bite the bullet on this, but his 'ideal' should be respected. Of course I know the world will never be filled with the ideals that we envisage, but it's a better starting point than shitty foreign polices of most of the developed world.

Variable

Oh no no.  Don't get me wrong.  I am all for the ideal.  My only point is that I don't think he was exactly on board with his own words.  You have a may saying that......then the bay of pigs?  Come on now.  Thats like Bush speaking out against nation building in 1999.  Looks a lot different today. 

Although I do have a hard time imagining how a conscious objector could be seen with the same esteem of a warrior.  I think one of the reasons that warriors are respected is because of the task that they perform, that most would not.  While the cause of a conscious objector may be noble.  It could also very easily be associated with the word coward.  No matter how right or wrong that association might be.  Then again, people dont really respect warriors the same today either.  Because the wars they are fighting are not noble either.  So who knows.

But I just saw what I said that sparked all of this.  I was simply talking about the difference between the army ( guys who run away ) and marine corps ( guys who run towards ).  The guys in the Army will still claim to be warriors.  But some of us know the real difference.  That was my point.

Jerry_Curls

Last night on 60 mins, Obama hinting at their false-flag and what exactly is a "national security team"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gQxGFJoq0E

I do not like this guy.
..Yeah don't go there,

I let you get to me

yeah yeah.

Variable

Probably just a think tank of people that will turn over with key officials in the Bush administration in so that the countries defense agencies ( FBI, CIA, DOD, Department of Homeland security , NSA, ect ect ) can continue to run smoothly without any resistance from the noobs above. 

That being said.  My beef at the moment is not with Obama.  He hasn't fucked up yet.  I think he is full of shit.  But I'm going to let him prove it to me that he is not.  If he does not, well that's another story.  MY BEEF is with the people of America.  They have waaaaayyyy to much trust and faith in this guy.  You have got to be skeptical of politicians at all times.  You have to question their every move.  No matter how innocent it is, you have to question it.  This is one of the ways we keep our politicians honest, we keep a close eye.  If they do us right, we praise them.  If they fuck up, you don't just turn your shoulder and act like it never happened.  You scrutinize them.  You have to stay skeptical.  This blind faith in Obama by the American people is potentially the biggest threat to America.  You can love the man, and praise him when it is due.  But you never trust a politician to run free without a watchful eye, ever.

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people."
John Adams

Jerry_Curls

N.W.O. Remix....make your own conclusions

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WAKE UP! The New World Order Matrix has you! [clips with Obama and Biden]

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..Yeah don't go there,

I let you get to me

yeah yeah.

Variable

Ha, jokes on Kerry.  I slacked off in school and I didn't end up in Iraq, I ended up in Afghanistan. 

I liked the part where everyone is dancing and partying while all this shit is going down too.  It's true.  The American people don't actually care about what's going on over there.  They will speak out as long as green day makes it hip.  But they don't actually care.

and I just wanted to point out that for the record.  That part where those soldiers were beating the prisoner.  They were not US soldiers.  I think they were Australian.  I see Australians on base wearing uniforms that look like that.  But it was pretty far away, I guess they could have been British.

The last video.....well......if these people want to be taken seriously.  They need to make serious videos.  I understand the message they are trying to get across.  But the Matrix and Star Wars?  I think we could do without that.

But I did like the part about Obama.  Mainly because people look at me like I'm an idiot and call me crazy when I say he quoted Bush on the campaign trail from when Bush was running for president.  I don't know why people don't just look it up for themselves, its right there.  I guess "dancing with the stars" was more important to them than who they should have voted for.

Jerry_Curls

Yeah the 2nd video is a little out there, but I like this style. It catches your attention.

Thanks for watching these.
..Yeah don't go there,

I let you get to me

yeah yeah.

Jerry_Curls

Obama voters and Media Malpractice

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..Yeah don't go there,

I let you get to me

yeah yeah.

i kill for fun

until he starts making or not making the "change"..leave Berry alone...this whole campaign has worn the whole country down..lets havea break
"playful deception is the lowest form of Tom-foolery"
"i don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die"

Jedidiah Solomon

all this time people have been talking and I and I people have been starving. People on the Reservations and the ghettos and africans both white and black and everything in between and people just talking talking talking.

Bill Gates wallet could change the whole wide world, but no that won't ever happen.

sharinglungs

Quote from: Jedidiah Solomon on Nov 20, 2008, 06:06 PM
all this time people have been talking and I and I people have been starving. People on the Reservations and the ghettos and africans both white and black and everything in between and people just talking talking talking.

Bill Gates wallet could change the whole wide world, but no that won't ever happen.

Bill Gates' wallet couldnt even save the United States right now.

Variable

Quote from: Jedidiah Solomon on Nov 20, 2008, 06:06 PM
all this time people have been talking and I and I people have been starving. People on the Reservations and the ghettos and africans both white and black and everything in between and people just talking talking talking.

Bill Gates wallet could change the whole wide world, but no that won't ever happen.
Money doesn't change shit Ross.  I would think you of all people here would understand this.  They have proven time and time again that throwing money at poverty only makes it worse.  For all of you who support government programs like giving foreign aid to countries or giving money to citizens in poverty.  You need to do the real research.  It has been proven that you are permanently keeping them in a cycle of poverty.  Poverty has nothing to do with how much money you have.  It is a mind set of total consumption upon gaining something. Example?  Look at how many poor people have bling blingin ass cars and bumpin stereos that are worth more than their dam house.  Think about it.  You can give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish.

Jedidiah Solomon

Quote from: Variable on Nov 21, 2008, 06:45 AM
Quote from: Jedidiah Solomon on Nov 20, 2008, 06:06 PM
all this time people have been talking and I and I people have been starving. People on the Reservations and the ghettos and africans both white and black and everything in between and people just talking talking talking.

Bill Gates wallet could change the whole wide world, but no that won't ever happen.
Money doesn't change shit Ross.  I would think you of all people here would understand this.  They have proven time and time again that throwing money at poverty only makes it worse.  For all of you who support government programs like giving foreign aid to countries or giving money to citizens in poverty.  You need to do the real research.  It has been proven that you are permanently keeping them in a cycle of poverty.  Poverty has nothing to do with how much money you have.  It is a mind set of total consumption upon gaining something. Example?  Look at how many poor people have bling blingin ass cars and bumpin stereos that are worth more than their dam house.  Think about it.  You can give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish.


Dont go to the modern gangster rap theme, we've all heard it.

And I don't support any organization, especially one where I can't see where the money goes, I'm saying if I had all his BILLIONS of dollars, oh my oh my what I would and could do with it, I could go to the place I was born build a proper health care place, re build houses, build more houses, create jobs, and do these simple necessitys to another place that needs and than another and another, set the example and maybe someone else would catch on, next thing you know some people actually wake up happy enough to have at the very least hope again, less crime, more praising. oh yes, that is real.

Jedidiah Solomon

IF EVERYONE IN HOLLYWOOD, PROFRESSIONAL SPORTS, WALLSTREET, OR ANYBODY THATS A MULTI MILLIONARE GAVE UP 1 MILLION DOLLARS ALL AT ONCE AND WE COLLECTED IT WE COULD CHANGE THE WORLD, PERIOD....AND THAT'S CHUMP CHANGE TO THEM.

lostpilot

that's not going to happen!
there's always not enough money.

Jedidiah Solomon

Quote from: lostpilot on Nov 22, 2008, 12:54 PM
that's not going to happen!
there's always not enough money.

Why are you so hopeless?

I have no clue how much money Gill Bates has, I've never cared, I just used him as an example cause like 10 years ago I heard he was the richest man.

Even 1 billion dollars is enough to make huge changes, at least where I'm from, and from that you can make profit to keep money coming to give more. That's the true idea.

And yeah it most likely won't happen. Because I've yet to seen one multi, millionare, billionare, trillionare with a true heart willing to live in a normal house with one car while all their riches are given to the poor, If I could do anything in life, it would be this, to set the example.

bright lights, big city

I wouldn't. If I had a billion dollars, fuck that. I'd be buying a huge mansion, about 10 cars, a stripper wife, an island, then another huge mansion in like, fuckin' Greece or something.

but thats never gonna happen...
DERP

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Bright Lights !..Why the fuck are you so damn awesome? Cant you be a piece of shit sometimes?

Variable

See Ross you are half right.  And this has nothing to do with rap.  This is just called the truth.  Poverty can't be solved with money.  I mean money plays a part in it.  But you cant just throw it at the poor and expect them to not go blow it on some diamond earrings and super bumpin stereo system instead of buying bonds and ensuring their kids go to college.  You have to teach them how to save. 

Here is where you are right.  You say that if you had all of this money, you would go back into your community and make a difference.  YOU, not the government.  Because you know your community and its needs.  You have the money, and you care, so you are going to do them right.  Its called philanthropy.  The title of Philanthropist used to be one of the highest distinctions in society.  It is what rich people strived to become.  You were so rich that you could afford to make a difference.  That was before the government started taxing the fuck out of our society in order to provide way inferior support than was being offered though private charity and philanthropist.  Thank you democrats for all the social programs.

Here is where you are wrong.  You are supposed to get off your dam ass and make the money yourself.  Not ask for it.  This is why communities are supposed to care about their education and their children.  Making sure their children grow up and become successful.  If your raise a crop of kids who are more educated and dynamic than the rest of the country, naturally you will probably have a nicer retirement home than most.  Your grand kids will probably have a much better life too.  But you can't expect the government to provide this kind of support.  They have consistently fucked up trying to help people.  Hints Ronald Reagan's quote about the nine most terrifying words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" Some bureaucrat sitting in an ivory tower in DC isn't going to know how to help your community.  Wake up people, quit asking the government to help you when they can't. Just tell them to leave you alone, as in stop taxing you, taking away liberties, and spying on you.  And when I say stop taxing, I dont mean tax the job makers.  I mean stop taxing everyone, all together, crazy right?  Then after you get them to back the fuck off, take care of yourselves.  America operated like this very successfully for a very long time.  We have only gone downhill since the public started turning to the government to solve all of its problems.  Get a fucking clue.

Variable

But more on topic.  Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton?  Seriously Obama?  Could you make any worse picks?  Obama has rode the success of his lack of action for too long now.  Now that he finally has to stand up and make decisions, his lack of knowledge and experience are really starting to show.