obama

[Jedidiah Solomon]

It's hard to understand the mind set of a real warrior of you have never walked those shoes.  It takes something else to be the guy that runs towards the gun fire ( marines ) rather than the guy that runs away ( The Army )

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind...War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
-- John F. Kennedy

did he say that right before he sent troops to Vietnam?

That doesn't matter, I don't care who said it, the point still stands.

lol.  I kind of have to disagree with you.  I think that too often people focus on the unobtainable and ignore reality.  There are all kinds of wonderful ideals out there that would just be amazing if they were plausible.  But they really aren't.  So if you have a man speaking with conviction of Ideals, who then had to give them up in order to start the longest war In US history.  I think that speaks a great amount all on its own.

Or, maybe he just said that because he knew its what people would want to hear.  In which case it makes it even more BS.

Obama is a good guy. If you deny that then you have a hateful heart. Fuck what he's apart of, nobody disagrees with politricks more than me, but at least he's apart of the better half, anything on that right side is a bit too dangerous, at least over here we can hope and pray.

see, thats a problem I have right there.  I don't actually know that Obama is a good guy.  I am very skeptical of a charade.  Not just with him, pretty much with any politician.  But the topic is about him, I just want to make it clear that I'm not singling him out, so save the hate speech.

But honestly, how do we really know he is a good guy?  You can't really listen to the words of a politician.  Their actions are the only true measure of who they are.  To me, Obama seems to be a man who has benefited from inaction.  So I really don't know much about him at all.  I'm going to wait before I say he is a good man.  But I'm not calling him a bad man either.

Yes that is true, we can never really know anyone of these people, these Magastrates, to put our faith into, our votes, this is why I steer away from it and ignore it as much as possible, I'll never vote.

[Variable]

I'm ok with voting.  I'm just not ok with unconditional faith in a politician.  Some people just seem to trust this guy WAY too much.  That's how they get away with bull shit like the war on terror and the patriot act.

Obama is already saying he is going to use a number of executive orders so that he can bypass congress.  His reasoning is because he doesn't want to wait for congress.  But that is called checks and balances.  I know executive orders have been the trend since....I think FDR started it.  But if he actually wanted to be this president of change, he would allow the political process of a republic to actually happen.  Executive orders are tyrannical in my opinion.

[Jerry_Curls]

Funny. I posted a video on myspace of Obama without his teleprompter and I get this message from a friend,

"don't be a jerk"

....so now I'm being a jerk for showing what Obama is really like? I'm a jerk for not giving into his marketing campaign? Seriously, this ia big issue. If you don't like Obama, you're a "fascist" [been called that on myspace, she said she would delete me from her friends because I posted an article about Obama not proving he was born in the USA], a jerk, ignorant, yadda yadda. What's it going tobe like when he makes these decisions that we, the public, won't like and agree with that Joe Biden promised? Will his new militia keep an eye on me? Fuck...it's already starting.

edit: here is the video I posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

[Variable]

That is a pretty funny video.  Kind of like all the Bushisms videos.  But I would be a hypocrite to say this makes him less qualified to be president.  It makes me mad that people ignore brilliant political minds just because they have no public speaking skills.  It also makes me mad that idiots get in office just because of charisma.

[alvarezbassist17]

god, he totally works himself in that video

[Variable]

Yeah, funny how none of those videos surfaced on the news.  McCain's mess ups sure as shit did.

[alvarezbassist17]

yeah, it kinda makes you appreciate fox news, even though they are even subject to the liberal bias every now and then.

[Variable]

Yeah.  I think that people who say that FOX news is an ultra right network are a bunch of tards.  Obviously Hannity and O'Reilly are conservative.  But the show is called Hannity and Colmes.  And I don't give a fuck what anyone says about O'Reilly, every time I watch his show, he always has someone who opposes his view on as a guest.  Sometimes multiple guest who oppose him.  Other than Hannity and O'Reilly, I have seen the rest of the network attack the right plenty of times.  They just also happen to attack the left at the same time.  See thats what MSNBC doesn't understand.  You are supposed to attack both sides.  Olberman should be banned from the news.  Or he should at least be forced to change the classification of his show, because it is not news.  It is a personal vendetta against the right.  Its pathetic to be honest.  The rest of the networks are not too bad.  I watch a lot of CNN, they only slightly lean left.  For the most part they do pretty good.  But I do agree that Fox is pretty dam balanced.

[bright lights, big city]

yep, "fair and balanced". that's their motto.

[Variable]

They really are though dude.  What throws everyone off is how strong of personalities Hannity and O'Reilly have.  They are just natural alpha males.  So people only focus on them instead of the actual news.  If you watch FOX news with no bias, just pay attention to what is actually being reported.  They really do a very good job of being balanced.

[bright lights, big city]

ok, maybe tomorrow i'll watch something on there that's not O'Reilly

[Variable]

lol, for sure.  O'Reilly can be a bit much to take sometimes.  I think he obviously tries to be " fair and balanced" but for his show being called the " no spin zone " he is REALLY talented at throwing spins on issues and making some of his guest points look less significant no matter how right his guest are.  But I even have to tip my hat to O'Reilly a bit.  I have seen him go after the GOP plenty.  Saw him give out plenty of props to Obama too.

While we are on this subject I just want to share something I saw on the "O'Reilly Factor" tonight.  It is exactly how I feel about Obama, but for some reason I was having a hard time getting this simple message across.  Dennis Miller has his "Miller Time" on O'Reilly's show.  I cant exactly quote him, but it went something like.  " Barrack Obama is my president now.  I'm not going to do what the far left to Bush, and turn my back on him.  He is my president and I am going to support him.  I refuse to turn my back on him.  In fact, I hope he does such an amazing job, that he makes me want to vote for him in 2012......."

I just thought it was well put.

[bright lights, big city]

yeah i've never really been a fan of Miller, but that is pretty well said. i just hope the rest of america feels the same...that they have hope that obama can save this sinking ship.

[Variable]

I honestly think that most of " conservative " America was taught to respect the position of the president, even if you dont like the man. I was raised that way.

[Shaye]

lol, for sure.  O'Reilly can be a bit much to take sometimes.  I think he obviously tries to be " fair and balanced" but for his show being called the " no spin zone " he is REALLY talented at throwing spins on issues and making some of his guest points look less significant no matter how right his guest are.  But I even have to tip my hat to O'Reilly a bit.  I have seen him go after the GOP plenty.  Saw him give out plenty of props to Obama too.

While we are on this subject I just want to share something I saw on the "O'Reilly Factor" tonight.  It is exactly how I feel about Obama, but for some reason I was having a hard time getting this simple message across.  Dennis Miller has his "Miller Time" on O'Reilly's show.  I cant exactly quote him, but it went something like.  " Barrack Obama is my president now.  I'm not going to do what the far left to Bush, and turn my back on him.  He is my president and I am going to support him.  I refuse to turn my back on him.  In fact, I hope he does such an amazing job, that he makes me want to vote for him in 2012......."

I just thought it was well put.

O'Reilly is a bit of a freak.

But if this kid had his own show, I'd watch it for sure!

http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,14885.0.html

[oldgentlovecraft]

lol, for sure.  O'Reilly can be a bit much to take sometimes.  I think he obviously tries to be " fair and balanced" but for his show being called the " no spin zone " he is REALLY talented at throwing spins on issues and making some of his guest points look less significant no matter how right his guest are.  But I even have to tip my hat to O'Reilly a bit.  I have seen him go after the GOP plenty.  Saw him give out plenty of props to Obama too.

While we are on this subject I just want to share something I saw on the "O'Reilly Factor" tonight.  It is exactly how I feel about Obama, but for some reason I was having a hard time getting this simple message across.  Dennis Miller has his "Miller Time" on O'Reilly's show.  I cant exactly quote him, but it went something like.  " Barrack Obama is my president now.  I'm not going to do what the far left to Bush, and turn my back on him.  He is my president and I am going to support him.  I refuse to turn my back on him.  In fact, I hope he does such an amazing job, that he makes me want to vote for him in 2012......."

I just thought it was well put.

Agreed. 

[Variable]

lol, for sure.  O'Reilly can be a bit much to take sometimes.  I think he obviously tries to be " fair and balanced" but for his show being called the " no spin zone " he is REALLY talented at throwing spins on issues and making some of his guest points look less significant no matter how right his guest are.  But I even have to tip my hat to O'Reilly a bit.  I have seen him go after the GOP plenty.  Saw him give out plenty of props to Obama too.

While we are on this subject I just want to share something I saw on the "O'Reilly Factor" tonight.  It is exactly how I feel about Obama, but for some reason I was having a hard time getting this simple message across.  Dennis Miller has his "Miller Time" on O'Reilly's show.  I cant exactly quote him, but it went something like.  " Barrack Obama is my president now.  I'm not going to do what the far left to Bush, and turn my back on him.  He is my president and I am going to support him.  I refuse to turn my back on him.  In fact, I hope he does such an amazing job, that he makes me want to vote for him in 2012......."

I just thought it was well put.

O'Reilly is a bit of a freak.

But if this kid had his own show, I'd watch it for sure!

http://www.sharinglungs.com/index.php/topic,14885.0.html

I honestly don't think he is as bad as some of you make him out to be.  I think people just really hate an intelligent conservative.  The main thing that I find annoying about him is how arrogant he is.  He will never ever admit that he is wrong.  And when he is wrong, he just starts to yell.  Fuck, even sometimes when he is right he yells.  It really takes away from the legitimacy of his points.  He is also a bit to much of a "Christian conservative" for my taste.  But still, I think a lot of the time he actually does a really good job.  Plus, if it was not for him, I don't think we would have my favorite pundit.....Steven Colbert

Still though.  I will take O'Reilly over Olberman any day.  I honesty don't think Olberman should be able to classify his show as "news".  Because its not.  They should make him give some kind of disclaimer or something.  Call it a talk show or something.  Because its not a news program.  It's actually very disgusting what he does.

[Variable]

I cant believe that none of you are talking about Hilary being the likely pick for secretary of state.  Kelly, I waited all day for you to be able to be the one to break this news.  But it seems you have gone to bed.  So ill go ahead and be the one to do it.  This is a huge honor for her.  That being said, I think it is a terrible idea. ( hold on Kelly, just hear me out before you hit me )

This has nothing to do with Hilary being Hilary.  If anyone actually cared enough I know that you could go back a few months and look up me talking about Obama and his lack of experience.  I said that the only way I saw him being successful is if he had a really strong secretary of state.  I know that I mentioned Secretary of State over any of the other cabinet members because in my opinion, this is more important than all of the others.  Including VP(thats why I didn't really give two shits about Biden or Palin).  Hints why Powell had to leave the Bush administration.  It is too powerful of a position for such a smart person to have when the president is.....Bush.  Thats why Rice was the perfect " YES SIR!" for the job.....anyways back on topic

I don't agree with Hilary Clinton.  But I do respect her.  I think she deserved the candidacy more than Obama.  However I didn't think either of them were ready for that job to begin with.  And I don't think she is ready for this.  The secretary of state is a huge job.  The first secretary of state was Thomas Jefferson for crying out loud.  Think about it.  This person pretty much carries the US on their shoulders to keep us afloat in the world while the president fucks up taxes and goes on presidential retreats.  You need a very seasoned, very well traveled, very well know ( internationally ) , very well respected ( internationally ) , and very charismatic as well as intelligent person for this job.  Hilary might be all of these things but seasoned and respected( abroad ).  I just think it is a bad idea. 

[sharinglungs]

I cant believe that none of you are talking about Hilary being the likely pick for secretary of state.  Kelly, I waited all day for you to be able to be the one to break this news.  But it seems you have gone to bed.  So ill go ahead and be the one to do it.  This is a huge honor for her.  That being said, I think it is a terrible idea. ( hold on Kelly, just hear me out before you hit me )

This has nothing to do with Hilary being Hilary.  If anyone actually cared enough I know that you could go back a few months and look up me talking about Obama and his lack of experience.  I said that the only way I saw him being successful is if he had a really strong secretary of state.  I know that I mentioned Secretary of State over any of the other cabinet members because in my opinion, this is more important than all of the others.  Including VP(thats why I didn't really give two shits about Biden or Palin).  Hints why Powell had to leave the Bush administration.  It is too powerful of a position for such a smart person to have when the president is.....Bush.  Thats why Rice was the perfect " YES SIR!" for the job.....anyways back on topic

I don't agree with Hilary Clinton.  But I do respect her.  I think she deserved the candidacy more than Obama.  However I didn't think either of them were ready for that job to begin with.  And I don't think she is ready for this.  The secretary of state is a huge job.  The first secretary of state was Thomas Jefferson for crying out loud.  Think about it.  This person pretty much carries the US on their shoulders to keep us afloat in the world while the president fucks up taxes and goes on presidential retreats.  You need a very seasoned, very well traveled, very well know ( internationally ) , very well respected ( internationally ) , and very charismatic as well as intelligent person for this job.  Hilary might be all of these things but seasoned and respected( abroad ).  I just think it is a bad idea. 

Oh Variable.. You're the brainwashed people that Faux News likes to report to.

[bright lights, big city]

i think she can be fine. i just don't care for the fact that all the top democrats are leaving the house and senate.

even though he's a republican, i think someone like Dick Lugar from indiana would be even better for the job though.