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Once again, I never said shit about republicans or McCain.  I'm just bringing up the point that when I ask people why they vote for Obama, or what it is that he is going to change.  The only thing they can give me are lame ass campaign slogans.  Thats all I'm saying.

But to be honest, no, I don't think that most of you have done any real research.  I have talked to about 1 person who actually knows why she is voting for Obama.  She just happens to be one of the smartest people I know.  And she is studying constitutional law.  That being said, she had good answers.  I don't argue with her because as long as you are aware of who it is you are actually voting for, then I see it as your choice.  I don't however for one second think that 95% of McCain supporters know why they are voting for him.  Same goes for Obama supporters though.

[devilinside]

  I don't however for one second think that 95% of McCain supporters know why they are voting for him.  Same goes for Obama supporters though.

Just as long as you know it goes both ways. And I've done plenty of research about both candidates,I just feel no need to explain every detail of why I'm voting for the person I voted for to anyone. I don't have to justify anything to anybody. I'm completely comfortable whit who I voted for,and that's all that matters to me. Who you know and the fact that they "educationally explain why they are voting for Obama" means shit to me. Hell...if she's soo smart to you...maybe you should follow in her footsteps.

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It has nothing to do with her education.  But when she gives me answers, they revolve around how Obama is going to govern.  Her and I don't see eye to eye on almost anything when it comes to politics.  But she is one of my very best friends since the 7th grade.  We totally respect each other and we have pleasant intelligent conversations.  Not conversations riddled with lame ass campaign slogans.  For example

She knows that Obama isn't going to stop war, or American imperialism.  But she is ok with that.  She doesn't think that the world can exist without a big brother superpower to control everything.  So she figures it might as well be her country.  She is voting for Obama BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE WAR.  Not because she naively thinks it will end with him.

She likes the federal reserve.  She doesn't think that an economy can survive without a central bank.  So it doesn't matter to her that Obama supports this illegal banking cartel.  She is voting for Obama because she realizes that the Federal Reserve's economic cycles are "boom" and "bust" she knows that we are in a bust cycle right now.  But that Obama will leave everything AS IT IS RIGHT NOW and we will be back into a boom in a few years.

She is also a socialist.  To a reasonable extent.  She believes in a VERY strong central government.  Redistribution of wealth.  Regulation out the ass.  And the general goodness of politicians to do the right things by the people.......yeah I have a hard time calling her intelligent after that one.  But she is voting for Obama BECAUSE she knows that HE IS THE CLOSEST TO A SOCIALIST THAT WE WILL HAVE EVER HAD IN OFFICE.  She knows the way a socialist government would govern a nation.  She knows how Obama would govern.  She thinks they are similar in some areas.  So she likes him. 

None of you have even given me the slightest hint that you know anything about the way Obama would actually govern.  She does.  Thats the difference.  The system doesn't work if the people are not informed.  And the people just happen to not be informed. 

[bright lights, big city]

HE IS THE CLOSEST TO A SOCIALIST THAT WE WILL HAVE EVER HAD IN OFFICE.

i'm not really against that, but socialism is another buzz word the republicans use to try to do what they do best....scare people to vote for them.

the closest thing to socialism we can attain is universal health care, which obama doesn't want.

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Obama is actually not a socialist by definition.  He is definitely a capitalist.  However he does mirror some of their beliefs.  None that would completely satisfy a socialist, but would offend them less than pretty much any other candidate who has ever ran.  That's saying a lot taking into consideration FDR and Lyndon Johnson.  So there is actually some validity to people ( not just the GOP ) calling him a socialist.  But the thing is, that they actually don't know what true socialism is.  So once again, an election being swayed by ignorance.   

And I think I read your second statement wrong.  Or else I am extremely misinformed.  Because it's my understanding that Obama is proposing universal health care.  Which is one of the biggest reasons I don't like him......or was that sarcasm?  I need some clarity there.

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yeah, i read about that. it amazes me what people will choose to believe without doing any homework

I agree, it's rather annoying being a researcher myself, I just find it worry that people find her convincing.

[shine down unshy]

I totally understand that it's so easy to vote for Obama because everyone else is..just doing it.  Some people are doing it and truly throwing their vote away for someone they don't believe in.  But you have to understand that this man is going to make history, and he's going to ride the fuck out of this wave and change some shit up.

HOPE...CHANGE, whatever you wanna call it, it's with him.

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Oh an since you called me stupid for comparing Obama and Bush.  I guess I need to educate you a bit.  Because you really should do research before talking.  In short.  In 1999 and 2000.  For the 2000 presidential race.  George W. Bush was very, very critical of the Clinton administration for all of their deployments of the U.S. military.  here is an article where Bush criticizes Clinton for not having a Timeline for withdraw.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1891040

He also criticized Clinton because he deployed the US military more than any other president before him.  He went even further and criticized Clinton for nation building.  Here is a quote on that, and the article I got it from

In the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush criticized the Clinton Administration for pursuing "nation building" in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti and elsewhere, and he pledged that if elected, he would "absolutely not" do nation building. As president, however, George W. Bush embarked on...

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=JQmJ4c3GmVm8kSj9VRtQ5BdGwBlj34bW52Kv2l81pYpSs0XGTTJn!341839517?docId=5008328305

So I don't have time to personally cater to your education.  That's what teachers get paid for.  But if you care to do the research yourself.  You will see that in 1999-2000.  George W. Bush did to Bill Clinton the same thing that Obama is doing to Bush now.   Bush was the peace candidate.  But we all know how that turned out now don't we.  Don't believe everything a politician tells you.  I guarantee you more war with Obama.  But yeah, that's why my stupid self compared to Bush and Obama.  They both ran as the peace candidates during their first elections. 



and finally, just for fun.  Here is a quote from Clinton in his state of the Union address, just to show that democrats and their democrat heroes are not as innocent as they play

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq's arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world," and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again."

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I totally understand that it's so easy to vote for Obama because everyone else is..just doing it.  Some people are doing it and truly throwing their vote away for someone they don't believe in.  But you have to understand that this man is going to make history, and he's going to ride the fuck out of this wave and change some shit up.

HOPE...CHANGE, whatever you wanna call it, it's with him.

Any president will make history, duh.  That's all part of being president.  I think people are way too caught up on this "making history bull shit" Custer made history for America too. 

My predictions are that Obama will be a pretty average president.  Sure the economy will recover and he will get undue credit.  But that's ok.  The war in Iraq has already made a huge shift for the better.  The war in Afghanistan is about to.  He will get undue credit for that too.  Especially when he is able to lower troop levels in Iraq due to decisions made before he was president.  His health care plan will more than likely fail.  Especially if anyone really looks into where he is going to get the money for all of it.  But other than that.  He will probably just mirror Clinton in most of his policies.  I doubt very much revolutionary shit will go down with him as president.  He has too much to lose being so close under the microscope. Maybe in a second term.  But thats too far away for me to predict right now.

[bright lights, big city]

Hillary wants universal health care i believe. Obama just wants us to use the politicians' system. Which is cool, but I think a system like France's or Canada's would be great

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dude, im pretty fucking sure you're wrong.  Let me go look this up for you

[bright lights, big city]

Oh an since you called me stupid for comparing Obama and Bush.  I guess I need to educate you a bit.  Because you really should do research before talking.  In short.  In 1999 and 2000.  For the 2000 presidential race.  George W. Bush was very, very critical of the Clinton administration for all of their deployments of the U.S. military.  here is an article where Bush criticizes Clinton for not having a Timeline for withdraw.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1891040

He also criticized Clinton because he deployed the US military more than any other president before him.  He went even further and criticized Clinton for nation building.  Here is a quote on that, and the article I got it from

In the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush criticized the Clinton Administration for pursuing "nation building" in Bosnia, Kosovo, Haiti and elsewhere, and he pledged that if elected, he would "absolutely not" do nation building. As president, however, George W. Bush embarked on...

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=JQmJ4c3GmVm8kSj9VRtQ5BdGwBlj34bW52Kv2l81pYpSs0XGTTJn!341839517?docId=5008328305

So I don't have time to personally cater to your education.  That's what teachers get paid for.  But if you care to do the research yourself.  You will see that in 1999-2000.  George W. Bush did to Bill Clinton the same thing that Obama is doing to Bush now.   Bush was the peace candidate.  But we all know how that turned out now don't we.  Don't believe everything a politician tells you.  I guarantee you more war with Obama.  But yeah, that's why my stupid self compared to Bush and Obama.  They both ran as the peace candidates during their first elections. 

cool im dumb

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here you go right here. 

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/070125-the_time_has_co/

"In the 2008 campaign, affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. We have the ideas, we have the resources, and we will have universal health care in this country by the end of the next president's first term."


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-01-25-obama-health_x.htm

"The time has come for universal health care in America," Obama said at a conference of Families USA, a health care advocacy group.

dude, you didn't even know your candidates view on health care.  And you said that's a reason you want to vote for him.  Fuck me, when I'm right, I'm right.

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So now we know that you don't like his views on the war, or health care.  The things he said his first term would focus on the most.  Yet ill bet you already voted for him.  Sad.  I would feel pretty fucking lied to right about now if I were you

[bright lights, big city]

im not pissed about his health care, i just prefer a publicly funded system of universal health care. Obama's plan is a step in the right direction.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

"The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing healthcare system"

[Necrocetaceanbeastiality]

im not pissed about his health care, i just prefer a publicly funded system of universal health care. Obama's plan is a step in the right direction.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

"The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing healthcare system"

HOW?!

[devilinside]

Trey,it's pointless for you to write novels about this now. What's done is done. You're not changing anyones mind......pointless.

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im not pissed about his health care, i just prefer a publicly funded system of universal health care. Obama's plan is a step in the right direction.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

"The Obama-Biden plan provides affordable, accessible health care for all Americans, builds on the existing healthcare system"

lol, dude come on.  Give it up.  If you ever backed me into a corner even half this bad I would admit that you got me

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Trey,it's pointless for you to write novels about this now. What's done is done. You're not changing anyones mind......pointless.

I'm not trying to change anyones vote in this election.  I'm trying to inform people.  My goals are much more long term.  I already know that I wont see a candidate elected in this election, or the next, or probably even the next, or the one after that.  But maybe, someday before I'm 50.  Enough people will have been informed about certain things and will start to hold their politicians to a higher standard.  Maybe people will be inspired to do real research on their own.

It makes me wonder if you ever even listen to what I say.  Because all along I have been saying that I'm not trying to change peoples votes.  Just inform them.  Don't get mad at me because you voted for a turd and you found out after the fact.

[devilinside]

LOL..I'm not mad for voting for Obama. Hell...least I CAN say I didn't vote for Bush...biggest turd EVA!   




Fuck Tennessee for goin McCain.