obama

[Variable]

I figured so much.  No offense or anything.  Its just that most people on this board wont even take the time to read up on the issues from the great political thinkers of our time, and from history.  Most people don't take the time to truly understand the issues and the candidates.  If people are not willing to take the time to do that, I don't expect them to take the time to read my gibberish.  But this is the reason the board is plagues with nonsense about Palin being dangerous because she is a woman and lipstick and bla bla all this political tabloid bull shit that doesn't matter.

[devilinside]

Oh,I haven't read it cause I've been busy as fuck this weekend. I skimmed over it. But I saw the debate for myself,so I didn't feel your view of it would sway my opinion. 

[bright lights, big city]

I thought they had some crucial differences when it came to foreign policy, which is why I believed Obama did so much better in the debate. The whole Afghanistan situation and pulling-out-of-Iraq issues seem to be at odds between McCain and Obama

[Variable]

We do all realize that neither candidate is going to completely pull out if Iraq, right?  I think that their plans for Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty close to the same.  Except Obama favors a more aggressive stance towards Pakistan. 

I also forgot to talk about how pathetic of an attempt it was for Obama to seem to relate to the troops when he had to look at the name on his bracelet.  These people need to stop trying to be what they are not.

[bright lights, big city]

oh yeah, i know we really can't pull out, especially really soon.

and the bracelet thing was kind of lame, but honestly i think the only reason he mentioned was because McCain had just done the same goddamn thing. neither of them really needed to do that.

[Variable]

Oh we could.  Im just saying that neither Obama nor McCain are proposing that we ever pull out.  Obama's policy would have less troops in Iraq,  but still troops indefinitely.  Still big firm bases.  With a status of forces agreement.  Just like we have in So many European countries, South Korea, Japan ect ect.  This is the same vision that Obama and McCain share for Iraq.  They are just pitching it in two different ways.  But it is the same end result.  So if you like that obama wants to "pull out of Iraq" you would be misinformed.

And no.  Neither candidate NEEDED to do the bracelet thing.  But McCain obviously wanted to.  Then what you are saying is that because McCain did it, Obama followed and did it just because McCain did?  Hm.  Doesnt really sound like a leadership quality to me.  My point was that it was obviously insincere and just a prop.  He didn't even know the name on the bracelet.  He had to look twice to get the name out.  That is using a dead soldier for political rhetoric.  Pretty pathetic.

[bright lights, big city]

i'm just sick of stories of candidates who "know" all these soldiers and their families. unless you actually send your own son or daughter to war, stop it. it's just cheap political publicity.

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McCain and Palin both have sons in the military ( I believe both in the marine corps) who are getting ready to deploy to Iraq

[bright lights, big city]

Biden's son is in Afghanistan. Why not talk about them instead of other families that they supposedly meet for a couple minutes and somehow tell their life stories.

I don't know why i'm making a deal about this, it is kind of stupid....

[devilinside]

McCain and Palin both have sons in the military ( I believe both in the marine corps) who are getting ready to deploy to Iraq

Yeah...I remember people giving her shit because she was a dunce and announced that her son was going to Iraq....


"IS IT JUST ME OR DO YOU FIND IT A TAD WORRIESOME THAT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS PUBLISHING THE PICTURE AND SO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE SARAH PALIN'S SON WILL BE SERVING IN IRAQ. NOT ONLY DOES THE ENEMY KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE, BUT THEY ALSO KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING TO BE STATIONED, WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE DOING, THE VEHICLE HE'S GOING TO BE DRIVING AND WHAT UNIT HE IS WITH. DOES THE AP WANT TO HELP THEM PLANT THE BOMB TOO?"

[Variable]

Biden's son is in Afghanistan. Why not talk about them instead of other families that they supposedly meet for a couple minutes and somehow tell their life stories.

I don't know why i'm making a deal about this, it is kind of stupid....

I chose not to talk about Biden's son because he is a legal officer in the reserves.  He is really in no danger at all.  Isn't making many sacrifices.  Living up the big fat life on Bagrahm Air Field.  To be perfectly 100% honest, I hate people like him.  Not because they are in a support roll.  But usually because they are in a support roll but have to act like they are some hardcore warrior.  He was eating up the publicity at the DNC when everyone kept mentioning he was going to Afghanistan like some war hero.  He wont be doing shit but eating burger king and watching USO tours.

you are right that it is stupid though.  Just thought I would throw that tid bit of info out there.  Just something we havent talked about yet

[Variable]

McCain and Palin both have sons in the military ( I believe both in the marine corps) who are getting ready to deploy to Iraq

Yeah...I remember people giving her shit because she was a dunce and announced that her son was going to Iraq....


"IS IT JUST ME OR DO YOU FIND IT A TAD WORRIESOME THAT THE ASSOCIATED PRESS IS PUBLISHING THE PICTURE AND SO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE SARAH PALIN’S SON WILL BE SERVING IN IRAQ. NOT ONLY DOES THE ENEMY KNOW WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE, BUT THEY ALSO KNOW WHERE HE’S GOING TO BE STATIONED, WHAT HE’S GOING TO BE DOING, THE VEHICLE HE’S GOING TO BE DRIVING AND WHAT UNIT HE IS WITH. DOES THE AP WANT TO HELP THEM PLANT THE BOMB TOO?"

That is a pretty big over exaggeration.  There is no way in hell that the enemy would know what specific vehicle he is in.  We purposely make sure they all look the exact same so that one cant be targeted.  Not to mention that most of those bases are HUGE.  have + 20,000 troops on them.  Good luck singling him out.  I mean its not the best thing to do.  But in reality he probably isnt at more danger because of it.

[Shaye]

We do all realize that neither candidate is going to completely pull out if Iraq, right?  I think that their plans for Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty close to the same.  Except Obama favors a more aggressive stance towards Pakistan. 

I also forgot to talk about how pathetic of an attempt it was for Obama to seem to relate to the troops when he had to look at the name on his bracelet.  These people need to stop trying to be what they are not.

All this talk of pulling out, aggression and jewelery is making me pretty hot.   

[alvarezbassist17]

don't worry trey, i read your whole debate thinger. i didn't watch the whole thing, cuz i just couldn't stand their blabbing to make themselves look better rather than actually debate, and i already know i'm not voting for either of them... and the twins game was on.

i totally agree with you about the third party thing too, i just wish the media/ republicrats didn't have such a strong hold on the collective nads/brains of the country.  i've read so many things in this thread that are like direct quotes from shitty political analysts just trying to create conflict for ratings.

[Variable]

You're the shit.  I can always count on you to be rational.


You're right though.  It is all about controversy and conflict.  Is this historical enough?  Was that racist?  was that sexist?  All this crap that doesn't matter.  Then , its all people talk about.   Passionately at that.  You would think these people would go out and search out the issues, since they seem to care so much.  But I guess in reality people only care up to the point where it starts to inconvenience them.

[goldpony]

We do all realize that neither candidate is going to completely pull out if Iraq, right?  I think that their plans for Iraq and Afghanistan are pretty close to the same.  Except Obama favors a more aggressive stance towards Pakistan. 

I also forgot to talk about how pathetic of an attempt it was for Obama to seem to relate to the troops when he had to look at the name on his bracelet.  These people need to stop trying to be what they are not.

All this talk of pulling out, aggression and jewelery is making me pretty hot.   

trey knows what the ladies want

[Variable]

word up.  However I can get people excited about the political process

[defkitty]

I've been a pledged dem for quite some time now, but I must say that I'm a bit worried about Obama's responses to this North American Union thing...he denies it's happening...yet I definitely think it is.
So, I did some research on Ron Paul (I know oh my god the total opposite of a democrat) and he actually has some good points (and acknowledges the existance of the NAU coming on).
The only thing I worry about with him is his stand on a national healthcare system...does anyone have any info on his standing with this?  I know he is against any government intervention, however I feel that healthcare is a right and therefore deserves to be treated as such by our government.

[bright lights, big city]

why is government intervention a bad thing. i would say today we need it.

but yeah wait for Variable to get the word on Paul

[Variable]

I've been a pledged dem for quite some time now, but I must say that I'm a bit worried about Obama's responses to this North American Union thing...he denies it's happening...yet I definitely think it is.
So, I did some research on Ron Paul (I know oh my god the total opposite of a democrat) and he actually has some good points (and acknowledges the existance of the NAU coming on).
The only thing I worry about with him is his stand on a national healthcare system...does anyone have any info on his standing with this?  I know he is against any government intervention, however I feel that healthcare is a right and therefore deserves to be treated as such by our government.

I do know his stance on health care.  He talks about it in his book.  Let me see if I can find the text online before I try to explain it and fuck it up.

He also gives quite a few very good reason why government intervention is pretty much never a good thing.