Intervention

[Variable]

yeah its called americans are weak.  So instead of blaming ourselves for being weak idiots we blame it on a "disease." that way its not our fault and we can still think we are better than the niggers in africa with aids. 

Are there any countries out there today that are not full of pussies? 

[devilinside]

Wow Trey...harsh words there.

[Variable]

That how I honestly feel.  America is full of a bunch of fuching cry babies.  We have it better than anyone else in the world and all we fucking do is dope ourselves up because we cant handle how hard life is.  What ever happened to suck it the fuck up?  There are people out there with real problems (hints the africa comment) real diseases.  And what do we cry about? "wah wah wah I have all this money that I keep giving away to casinos for entertainment, wah wah wah" "wah wah wah, I wasted HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS on alcohol because im a weak pussy and no one is society will slap my ass back on the straight and narrow, instead they hug me and tell me its not my fault , so I will waste more THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS on my addiction until it kills me, thanks!"  Seriously, people need to learn to be tough again.  And get a little fucking pride while they are at it.

Ever seen the southpark episode on AA?  Its great, I would watch it if you have not.

[st3v3n_g]

I don't know, let me say something - As a clean and recovering addict of opiates, when it comes to the "disease theory" I see two sides of the coin - One of it is a mental illness or defect that may have been implemented in the person's brain before they were even born (addictive personality, alcholism - genetic inheritence, etc.)  Another is what Variable is talking about - weak minded people giving into potentially dangerous and addictive behavior; changing their brain chemistry when they knew from the get-go that that they were playing with fire, then when the shit hits the fan they try to convince themselves and others that it's not really "their" fault.  I've seen it first hand in rehab, addicts in there and people I've known where I live.  I however had recognized my problem, blamed nobody at all but myself, stepped up to the plate and endured and dealt with what I had to do to avoid slipping further into another waste of life, a "weak minded pussy" as Variable puts it.  For some people though, it's not that easy.  There are many types of  "addictions" out there - "gambling addiction" - "addiction to sex" - these may be problems of the mind but they are not true chemical and physiological changes that chemical substance dependences cause.  But alas, this is a story that is far too long to talk about and everyone will always have their own opinions, so I guess I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Anyway, as for the show "Intervention", I actually do enjoy catching it from time to time.  Alot of the 'normies' out there (people who don't do drugs or live destructive lifestyles) can be pretty freaked out by the things on it, I would imagine.  I've seen just about every drug there is and all the different methods of ingesting them.  Needles don't scare me.  However, there was one episode where there was this young woman was addicted to cutting herself - bad - long, deep cuts - And there was one part where she pulled her pants and panties down a little bit and she began cutting herself deeply around her genitals (her private parts were censored) - That sent chills down my spine... and remember, this is coming from a guy who's shot up H a few times in his life (not bragging, just stating personal facts).

[Variable]

Inheriting addictions (alcoholism for example) is widley accepted a being something that actually happens.  I however just dont buy it.  I truly dont believe that people are born with something wrong in their head that makes them prone to be addicted to alcohol.  I am not saying that it is not possible.  Just at this point in my life, I have not seen anything to make me believe it.  There a plenty of doctors and scientist out there who had shit bag parents who were addicted to alcohol or sex or whatever, and so they had a pet theory that they "proved" in order to prove to themselves that their parents were not truly shit bags.  Like I said, not saying my mind could not be changed.  I just have not seen it yet.

oh and props to you if you really did kick your habit.  I dont think people are weak for trying, even if that trial is for a long time.  I just lose respet when it starts to control you and you dont do anything about it.

[st3v3n_g]

Inheriting addictions (alcoholism for example) is widley accepted a being something that actually happens.  I however just dont buy it.  I truly dont believe that people are born with something wrong in their head that makes them prone to be addicted to alcohol.  I am not saying that it is not possible.  Just at this point in my life, I have not seen anything to make me believe it.  There a plenty of doctors and scientist out there who had shit bag parents who were addicted to alcohol or sex or whatever, and so they had a pet theory that they "proved" in order to prove to themselves that their parents were not truly shit bags.  Like I said, not saying my mind could not be changed.  I just have not seen it yet.

oh and props to you if you really did kick your habit.  I dont think people are weak for trying, even if that trial is for a long time.  I just lose respet when it starts to control you and you dont do anything about it.

Well X (I hope you don't mind if you call that, as 'x' represents 'any Variable'..), I'm not exactly going to argue with your beliefs as I think this will both get us nowhere, but I would like to share some information I have read and known about for sometime.  Personally I do believe that the alcholic gene does exist within a certain group of people, but I also think that it doesn't necessarily mean that those with the gene will become alcoholics.

Researchers at Washington University and 5 other centers have combined forces to identify a gene that is associated with alcoholism in some families. The scientists focused on a region of chromosome 15 that contains several genes involved in the movement of a brain chemical called GABA between neurons. One version of the gene, GABRG3, was found statistically linked (associated) with alcoholism in the affected families.

Source

However, on that source link, there is an additional scientific 'Comments' section that says:
There is a difference between identifying an attitude that runs in a family and discovering a gene that contributes to alcoholism. ... There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. (Which I can tell you believe in and I would also have to agree) There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic basis. (Which you did state earlier)  Genes clearly do contribute to alcoholism. However, even when a gene like GABRG3 is found, that does not mean we understand the genetic basis of alcoholism. The researchers do not yet know how changes in the GABA gene increase a person's risk of alcoholism.

So, like I said before, I personally do believe that there is a proness to becoming alcoholic if the gene for alcoholism runs within the family gene line.  But, as the article also said, (and something that can be quite obvious to any body with common logic) many factors do play a signifcant part if a person (with or without the gene) is exposed to environment(s) where alcoholism is tolerated and/or accepted.  The point of my rambling?... Well, I'm not really sure if there is one since I am not an alcoholic nor have I ever been, I do not believe I possess the alcoholic gene.  I guess what I'm trying to do is not change your opinions/beliefs, but maybe share some information that I think is potentially true.  I'm not sure if there's any more cause for debate, I simply wanted to give you another view on why some people might be the way they are through scientific research [As in if you do not know that they have a predisposition to a serious problem, they can unknowingly cause it become a serious problem].

[Variable]

see now thats good shit.  Because it opens the door for soooo much else. 

I am a firm believer that you can't have a ying without a yang.  If we can sit here and say that behavior such as alcoholism is genetic.  Then we have to say that all behavior is genetic.  After all why should just alcoholism be genetic and not....hard work?  Intelligence, a drive to succeed, lazyness, stupidity, crazy, any traits at all.  Why cant we say that they are all genetic?  Because then we would have to take a hard look at ourselves, our families, our races and say that certain bad traits are genetic towards certain groups of people.  Pre destoned to thrive, or be the lower class.  Sure no one has a problem saying that Asians are good at math, Indians are natural healers, and Africans are naturally athletic.  But what happens if we start to say that certain races have inherant bad genetic traits?  Even a list of good and bad traits that would say that certain races are better than the other?  Hmmmm, sounds dangerous.  Good luck with all that ground breaking research that will allow people to believe their own actions are not their fault.  It might lead to more than those "scientist" bargained for.

[devilinside]

I dont think alcoholism is genetic. My father is an alcoholic (somewhat recovering) and I nor my brother are alcoholics.

I do think people in general are weak as far as drugs and alcohol go,NOT just Americans.

[goldpony]

its nature and nuture. its true that children of alcoholics dont always become alcoholics (or whatever addiction), BUT SEEING IT IN THEIR ENVIROMENT AND bEING EXPOSED TO IT (sory bout caplock there) makes them more prone to those behaviors than children whose parents had no addictions. it makes sense if you think about it. lil johnny sees dad get blotto everynight, lil johnny tries dads alcohol, lil johnny ends up like dad. is it always the case, no. but growing up with it probably made the decision easier.

[Variable]

I do think people in general are weak as far as drugs and alcohol go,NOT just Americans.

Right, that is true.  It is not just americans.  But that is where american culture is headed.  We are turning into very lazy and very weak minded people.  Other countries are too, but I would venture to say that american culture is pretty influential in the world right now.

its nature and nuture. its true that children of alcoholics dont always become alcoholics (or whatever addiction), BUT SEEING IT IN THEIR ENVIROMENT AND bEING EXPOSED TO IT (sory bout caplock there) makes them more prone to those behaviors than children whose parents had no addictions. it makes sense if you think about it. lil johnny sees dad get blotto everynight, lil johnny tries dads alcohol, lil johnny ends up like dad. is it always the case, no. but growing up with it probably made the decision easier.

I also agree with this.  Bad parents fucking up their kids.  It happens.  Now eventually the kid has to grow up and shake that.  But it is also the parents fault.  But no partent likes to admit they are a bad parent.  Thats why we have a ridiculous % of kids of behavior drugs.  Because parents want to believe that its not their fault their kid is out of control, its a disease.  See a trend here?

[tarkil]

But what happens if we start to say that certain races have inherant bad genetic traits?  Even a list of good and bad traits that would say that certain races are better than the other?  Hmmmm, sounds dangerous.

I just want to quote you on that, as I find funny that you're the one saying that...  Even though I know that you're usually joking...

[Variable]

you are just scarred that it would be discovered that French people have a genetic trait that makes them more prone to wanting to suck my cock.  Its ok, ill still respect you in the morning.

[tarkil]

ha ha....  That's a good one...



I notice that you still talk about sucking cock though...

[Atomic]

it's all he thinks about, he's such a slut

[Variable]

ha ha....  That's a good one...



I notice that you still talk about sucking cock though...

is there really anything better to talk about?

[devilinside]

I wouldn't go so far as to always blame the parents. Ive known kids that had super straight edge parents,father an accountant and mom a stay at home "mrs.cleaver" type. And he turned into the biggest junkie I know.  I think you can blame things more on friends than you can parents. Friends are more of an influence on kids in some families than parents are.

[Variable]

only if they are shitty parents.  You can put a ruse all you want as to how good of a mom and dad you are.  But your kids behavior tells all.  Plus if you are a good parent you will be able to control ( I understand to a point) who your kids spend their time with.  Plus, a good parent knows that there is such thing as being too strict.

[devilinside]

Dr.Trey...you should get your own show. You'd totally knock Dr Phill of his spot.

[goldpony]

Dr.Trey...you should get your own show. You'd totally knock Dr Phill of his spot.

but the question is, would he suck oprahs dick?

[devilinside]

oooh...haha grody!!