Diamond Eyes - Thoughts + reviews

[gui]

I don't think you few guys really get what we are complaining about the most (or at least me). It's not even the song structure, or the vocals, or the style, or anything at all like that...it's literally the guitar sound.

Do you put on any of the songs before SNW came out and not fucking hear that timeless, obvious Deftones guitar sound? Whether it be a totally different type of guitar, or different play-style, whatever (I'm not sure since I don't know shit about guitar techs), it totally changed after albums 1-4, totally. That's all I really mean.

Just listen to the opening rift to Hexagram for an example. But then again, you can turn on any Deftones song from S/T and back and hear that guitar in any single song.

I'm not hating on this song though, to be clear.

i don't get your timeless obvious deftones guitar sound argument...if rocket skates was instrumental only i would have recognize the guitar sound as deftones.right away. For now, the rips of DE are too poor to talk about the sound, but it sounds like steph doing down tuned heavy riffs.

I'm not goin got denie how you feel, i just really not get it. Your arguments are not good enough for me.

oh and Kimdracula has a very deftones sounding riff

[m1nusblindfoLd]

lol I just don't understand how you can't tell the difference in main guitar sound on every song from albums 1-4 (including Lovers) compared to SNW and the two new songs (the literal sound...not the structure or chords or anything).

Vesanic, help me out? I'm not really sure how else to describe it as I don't know much guitar lingo.

Ves, if you ever have time, maybe do a quick mp3 of a few seconds ripped from guitar in an older song compared to like a DE guitar sound rip (since you seemed to understand and agree with me)? Like a 10 -sec mp3? It's that simple to hear the difference and understand.

[Vesanic]

Vesanic, help me out? I'm not really sure how else to describe it as I don't know much guitar lingo.

Ves, if you ever have time, maybe do a quick mp3 of a few seconds ripped from guitar in an older song compared to like a DE guitar sound rip (since you seemed to understand and agree with me)? Like a 10 -sec mp3? It's that simple to hear the difference and understand.

Forget it, dude. It's hopeless.

[m1nusblindfoLd]

Vesanic, help me out? I'm not really sure how else to describe it as I don't know much guitar lingo.

Ves, if you ever have time, maybe do a quick mp3 of a few seconds ripped from guitar in an older song compared to like a DE guitar sound rip (since you seemed to understand and agree with me)? Like a 10 -sec mp3? It's that simple to hear the difference and understand.

Forget it, dude. It's hopeless.

Damn, I just don't get it..it's the simplest comparison. It's SO easy to recognize the classic guitar sound - what the fuck kind of fans are these?!
Am I in the fuckin Twilight Zone??? LoL

[nineteenpeoplesnames]

I totally get where Vesanic and Minus are coming from.

Basically good shit, just that the chorus isn't Deftonesish and Terry Date brings out the best in them. The song is still good etc etc. I know exactly what guitar sound you're on about as well but I'm able to ignore the lack of it for now.

I like the song/production personally  and I think this album is going to be a simple, atmospheric Meshuggah for breakfast big happy cake but I still feel the same things above a little too.

[gui]

lol I just don't understand how you can't tell the difference in main guitar sound on every song from albums 1-4 (including Lovers) compared to SNW and the two new songs (the literal sound...not the structure or chords or anything).

Vesanic, help me out? I'm not really sure how else to describe it as I don't know much guitar lingo.

Ves, if you ever have time, maybe do a quick mp3 of a few seconds ripped from guitar in an older song compared to like a DE guitar sound rip (since you seemed to understand and agree with me)? Like a 10 -sec mp3? It's that simple to hear the difference and understand.

whatever, i'm tired of this argument. i can compare the sound myself, i dont need a mp3 for that. I don't agree with you, believe it or not i don't care.

[rock_n_frost]

its free to shit on anything good..
talking is free...

damn it guys calm down, its just a song

[m1nusblindfoLd]

You're right, and like it or not, it's out. So just waitin' to hear the rest..

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

the song is made to be appealing to a new crowd also, make a simple nice chorus and play that part a thousand times in 3 minutes so whenever a person hear the song on the radio or whatever for the first time,its gonna stick in that persons head.thats the idea of it and the idea is based on money. its not made to please defones fanatics in the first place,fans who has been down since day one, but ijm sure there will be a couple of more wierd sick songs on the album for them

[gui]

Vesanic, help me out? I'm not really sure how else to describe it as I don't know much guitar lingo.

Ves, if you ever have time, maybe do a quick mp3 of a few seconds ripped from guitar in an older song compared to like a DE guitar sound rip (since you seemed to understand and agree with me)? Like a 10 -sec mp3? It's that simple to hear the difference and understand.

Forget it, dude. It's hopeless.

Damn, I just don't get it..it's the simplest comparison. It's SO easy to recognize the classic guitar sound - what the fuck kind of fans are these?!
Am I in the fuckin Twilight Zone??? LoL

come on get over it. it's the production sound of the guitar, it seems like this is what you love about the deftones, it has change with producer, but not enough to tell it doesnt sound like deftones anymore. Terry date is known for it's guitar sound, but terry date isn't deftones.

[gui]

the song is made to be appealing to a new crowd also, make a simple nice chorus and play that part a thousand times in 3 minutes so whenever a person hear the song on the radio or whatever for the first time,its gonna stick in that persons head.thats the idea of it and the idea is based on money. its not made to please defones fanatics in the first place,fans who has been down since day one, but ijm sure there will be a couple of more wierd sick songs on the album for them

i strongly disagree with this, they made the song for themselves, to make it sound good to them always first, with the huge exception of Back to school. YOu are tellin gme deftones sold ou ton this song ? i really disagree, chino just like catchy chorus and melodies.

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

ok so u think this song is the best song according to them? not likley. i bet there's more "hard to get" music on there, more artsy which they probably like better themsleves, but just know wont attract new fans.label decision. "make a hit!"

[gui]

ok so u think this song is the best song according to them? not likley. i bet there's more "hard to get" music on there, more artsy which they probably like better themsleves, but just know wont attract new fans.label decision. "make a hit!"

huh ? a musician can't appreciate poppier/catchier song of theirs ? liking a catchy chorus means you're not a real fan ? they all have to be super artsy and impossible to get to be good...

we are so not on the same page.

[sizeofanocean]

So far I could not be happier with how rocket skates and diamond eyes sound. Rocket skates sounds like a heavier white pony song and diamond eyes sounds like a saturday night wrist song but better than most of the songs on that cd. I wasnt a huge fan of SNW but was still a good cd. I really think this cd is going to be a mix of the last 3 albums before this one and like it or not bands evolve and sometimes choose different producers to evolve.

I think the people that don't like it could be just like the people who didnt like Hole in the Earth...That song was bad but SNW was still good. And I think most everyone is in agreement that Rocket Skates kicks ass. Let everyone have their opinion but try and wait to hear the whole cd before you count the band out or as sell outs please!

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

we are so not on the same page.

so?

i like the song very much but im afraid it wont stand the test of time. not sure though. just dont see the reason in debating this song as if it were the new deftones,its just one song and most important -  its the song the label chose for a single to get much airplay. if they wanted to please themselves and otherdef-heads im sure they would have picked a song more complex that they were more proud of. have your opinion about the new deftones as a group, where they stand as a band 2010, when u got the whole record. not by this poppy label song (which is a nice little tune)

[sizeofanocean]

Yeah I agree totally man ^. I mean I liked hole in the earth the first few times but it became a skipable song very fast. THat may very well happen to this song as well  but it is the single the label chose to get them airplay. Its a very accessible song and Im sure could get the tones a lot of new fans. I personally feel that its going to be a great record just because the deftones do not put out bad ones.  its a new deftones cd. Dont bitch!

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

Its a very accessible song and Im sure could get the tones a lot of new fans

Thats the plaaaan!

[gui]

anyway, they started to write 'catchy and radio friendly choruses' on White pony 10 years ago, nothing new here.

[jesusinabowlofdirt]

and which deftones album has sold the most again?

[gui]

and which deftones album has sold the most again?

what's the point ? Steph wasn,t happy with the changes from what i read, but the disk company never made any pressure for this kind of song, mostly chino wanting to write softer and catchier tune. i'm sure he loves all of them and probably prefer them from the more heavy tune like Elite, which sounds like it was written to make Steph happy.

but that's how i see it.