Quote from: cvthedrv on May 15, 2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 15, 2013, 12:29 AM
yes man.

Rosemary directly into goon squad is one of the best musical moments of the 21st century.

oh fuck, im so tired of you

Oh absolutely, they deserve to be recognized as the best. they are.

I really don't get all the negative reviews this album has gotten from the members here. Especially those who seem like they have been a fan of theirs for around a decade or so or longer. I'm not saying that this album is my favorite piece of work they have done but it clearly is the sound I would expect them to have at this stage in their career . I also think it flows a lot better than their previous 2 records AND has some pretty kick ass songs.

I respect everyone's opinion and know that that's what makes us all different. At the same time it seems some of you want this band to stay in a box with certain styles ( songwriting / album production/ live performances) they have already done. I remember reading a long post with someone saying they have just given up and have accepted a " systematic" way of going about how they make music and do their live shows.

bullshit. Iv'e been to a good amount of shows this year and late last year, and while the setlist might of only changed a few songs they delivered every time and looked like they had a blast doing so.

As far as their overall music at this time....

I think it would be just as systematic if I picked up a record of theirs and automatically thought of it as a sequel to one of their previous ones or certain songs did the same. I think this is the best Chino has sounded on a record /live in a decade ( although 2003-2004 his screams and presence was a little more out there). Steph has done some new things ( even if its minor) and Vega has done a great job considering the situation he is in ( his sound on KNY is awesome). Frank and Abe always deliver so that shouldn't even be questioned.

You guys don't have to love everything they are doing right now , but dont make it seem like they gave up .
They may not be doing what you expect, but isn't that what this band has always been about ?

Quote from: Hank on May 21, 2013, 01:20 AM
I really don't get all the negative reviews this album has gotten from the members here. Especially those who seem like they have been a fan of theirs for around a decade or so or longer. I'm not saying that this album is my favorite piece of work they have done but it clearly is the sound I would expect them to have at this stage in their career . I also think it flows a lot better than their previous 2 records AND has some pretty kick ass songs.

I respect everyone's opinion and know that that's what makes us all different. At the same time it seems some of you want this band to stay in a box with certain styles ( songwriting / album production/ live performances) they have already done. I remember reading a long post with someone saying they have just given up and have accepted a " systematic" way of going about how they make music and do their live shows.

bullshit. Iv'e been to a good amount of shows this year and late last year, and while the setlist might of only changed a few songs they delivered every time and looked like they had a blast doing so.

As far as their overall music at this time....

I think it would be just as systematic if I picked up a record of theirs and automatically thought of it as a sequel to one of their previous ones or certain songs did the same. I think this is the best Chino has sounded on a record /live in a decade ( although 2003-2004 his screams and presence was a little more out there). Steph has done some new things ( even if its minor) and Vega has done a great job considering the situation he is in ( his sound on KNY is awesome). Frank and Abe always deliver so that shouldn't even be questioned.

You guys don't have to love everything they are doing right now , but dont make it seem like they gave up .
They may not be doing what you expect, but isn't that what this band has always been about ?

you say it dude!

sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

not this shit again

Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

Really man sell out piece of shit? yeah they were really trying to cater to the masses when the used 8 string in e tuning, get the fuck over yourself it's great music,your not compatible with the new stuff and that's fine but have some fucking respect about, don't shit talk the band like that comparing them to RHCP these guys are still killing , You just sound like a guy who listens to one narrow scope of angry bitter music and anything outside that makes you uncomfortable one day you'll widen your scope a bit and realises what's out there musically, what do you expect from them as this point anyway? they matured gracefully. most other bands just keep doing the same shit and then just fade away. look at Korn for a good comparision, how Deftones how managed to stay consistently relevant despite changing trends is amazing they don't need to keep doing the old shit to please you, you're insignificant now because for every old fan that thinks that new stuff is soft a new one comes along.

Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

you and swervecityusa should hang out sometime...

Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 22, 2013, 01:04 AM

Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

Really man sell out piece of shit? yeah they were really trying to cater to the masses when the used 8 string in e tuning, get the fuck over yourself it's great music,your not compatible with the new stuff and that's fine but have some fucking respect about, don't shit talk the band like that comparing them to RHCP these guys are still killing , You just sound like a guy who listens to one narrow scope of angry bitter music and anything outside that makes you uncomfortable one day you'll widen your scope a bit and realises what's out there musically, what do you expect from them as this point anyway? they matured gracefully. most other bands just keep doing the same shit and then just fade away. look at Korn for a good comparision, how Deftones how managed to stay consistently relevant despite changing trends is amazing they don't need to keep doing the old shit to please you, you're insignificant now because for every old fan that thinks that new stuff is soft a new one comes along.

I expect them to push boundaries and try new things that are experimental...NOT do the same old thing (like Korn)...NOT make the music more commercial and mellow (like they have done)....After the success of White Pony they could have sold out and made White Pony part 2 but instead they showed some balls and put out their most aggressive riskiest album.....and the media bashed them, and the newbie foo fighter fans who started sucking them off after white pony bashed them...and they earned major cred from other people who like the edgy stuff....It woulda been nice if KNY was a balls out risky edgy album, not a mellow commercial affair...And enough already with how Chino is so happy and mellow and found peace and its reflected on the music...If Chino is so fucking happy, why is he fat again, and why is he drunk/stoned before/after every show???

because its fun?

Quote from: only pieces remain on May 22, 2013, 02:02 AM

Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

you and swervecityusa should hang out sometime...

We had Neo, I was wondering where Agent Smith was...

Quote from: black coffee on May 22, 2013, 03:04 PM
because its fun?

Quote from: black coffee on May 22, 2013, 03:04 PM
because its fun?

Yeah pretty much this.

Quote from: jaypayton on May 22, 2013, 02:52 PM

Quote from: DeftonesNZ on May 22, 2013, 01:04 AM

Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

Really man sell out piece of shit? yeah they were really trying to cater to the masses when the used 8 string in e tuning, get the fuck over yourself it's great music,your not compatible with the new stuff and that's fine but have some fucking respect about, don't shit talk the band like that comparing them to RHCP these guys are still killing , You just sound like a guy who listens to one narrow scope of angry bitter music and anything outside that makes you uncomfortable one day you'll widen your scope a bit and realises what's out there musically, what do you expect from them as this point anyway? they matured gracefully. most other bands just keep doing the same shit and then just fade away. look at Korn for a good comparision, how Deftones how managed to stay consistently relevant despite changing trends is amazing they don't need to keep doing the old shit to please you, you're insignificant now because for every old fan that thinks that new stuff is soft a new one comes along.

I expect them to push boundaries and try new things that are experimental...NOT do the same old thing (like Korn)...NOT make the music more commercial and mellow (like they have done)....After the success of White Pony they could have sold out and made White Pony part 2 but instead they showed some balls and put out their most aggressive riskiest album.....and the media bashed them, and the newbie foo fighter fans who started sucking them off after white pony bashed them...and they earned major cred from other people who like the edgy stuff....It woulda been nice if KNY was a balls out risky edgy album, not a mellow commercial affair...And enough already with how Chino is so happy and mellow and found peace and its reflected on the music...If Chino is so fucking happy, why is he fat again, and why is he drunk/stoned before/after every show???

I get what your saying about the experimental thing though but I think it's just thinks it'shard to have that experimental vibe when the musics not negative if they had that negative vibe it would be alot easier to sound all experimental because he could just yell again or do the sad epic song. KNY is still pretty experimental especially compared to DE they've introduced new techniques like tapping, Chino's stepped up his guitar playing alot and he's experimenting with odd tunings, Stephen's started using the 8 string for more advanced stuff, Abe has started playing round with electronic pads and stuff for his kit, Sergio has expanded his playing alot more, they've tried new stuff with songs like What happened to you? which has the reggae feel to it. I don't know what more you want the heavy stuff is heavier than it was on diamond eyes and the soft stuff is more melodic and beautiful. The songs are still epic just listen to Rosemary the way it rises and falls effortlessly is amazing that comes's as a result of some very good crafting and the cohesion from song to song with those interludes is new aswell.

What Happened to You? really grew on me. Wasn't crazy about it at first, but now it might one of my favorites.

Quote from: Jerry_Curls on Jan 21, 2013, 11:26 AM

Quote from: buddyboy101 on Jan 21, 2013, 07:28 AM
Has anyone else noticed the background vocals/screaming during the "time shifting" part (e.g. 1:43, 3:44).  It almost sounds like jazz scat screaming and has some very interesting timing/syncopation going on.  After "time" it goes:

1+2+3+4+ 1+2+3+4+
             X   oX oX

The X's are louder than the o's.  The first X is "shifting,"  the rest just sounds like background screaming/vocal noise.  But the timing is blowing my mind.  Very cool stuff.

I wish I could agree but I have no idea what song you're talking about.

EDIT: just read all the lyrics and figured out you were talking about "Rosemary"... My favorite song haha so many little gems in this song for me. I love Abe's snare hit during the 2nd "stay with me" part. Chino sings "come...*snare*...sail with me"... The snare is so loud(I'm guessing both sticks hit it) and then he changes to hi-hat... And Then back to the ride cymbal. His drumming makes this part so dreamy.... So simple yet effective. Damn I love this song.

I love that screaming in the background of Rosemary.  I can't figure out for the life of me what he is saying, but it sounds great.  It's just ambient noise really.

In reference to all the morons hating on this album, this article is required reading:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-good-bands-start-to-suck-illustrated-guide/

In particular #3 should be paid attention to.

Quote from: Romain on May 23, 2013, 08:30 PM...

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Quote from: jaypayton on May 21, 2013, 09:43 PM
sell out piece of shit album....deftones were 1995-2006....the last 2 albums has taken them into Chili Peppers land (more "mature mellow commercial" songs, critic darlings, newbie fans and alienating their old fanbase)....

actually deftones are 1988 until today, and if you don't know about pre adrenaline material you don't even have a right to talk about newbie fans and all the things your saying. if you don't like it, then great be bored and listen to bored all day. your opinion sucks. ever heard the song Gift, didn't think so, deftones fan deleted, next.

People should be able to dislike whatever they please, be it albums or a certain era of a bands lifetime (Deftones in this case)
However, i think it's unfair to bash a part of the fanbase simply for being "Newbies".
Deftones has been around since 1988, and there has always been newbies popping up at the release of about each new record they've been putting out.
Enjoying and appreciating the music is what counts, not if you've been there since the beginning, or if you jumped the wagon with white pony, or if you just found out about the band because of koi no yokan.
The fact that Deftones ( and after making a good amount of records over a long timespan) still attracts new fans is impressive.

Quote from: Braincleaner on May 26, 2013, 09:35 AM
People should be able to dislike whatever they please, be it albums or a certain era of a bands lifetime (Deftones in this case)
However, i think it's unfair to bash a part of the fanbase simply for being "Newbies".
Deftones has been around since 1988, and there has always been newbies popping up at the release of about each new record they've been putting out.
Enjoying and appreciating the music is what counts, not if you've been there since the beginning, or if you jumped the wagon with white pony, or if you just found out about the band because of koi no yokan.
The fact that Deftones ( and after making a good amount of records over a long timespan) still attracts new fans is impressive.