Quote from: from_musings on Nov 25, 2012, 01:10 PM
i've never been a big fan of his lyrics. some cool phrases here and there - sure, but for me it always has been more about how he says/sings something, how he expresses himself, more than what he actually says/means

yeah, same goes for me. it might sound like I care a lot about the lyrics, but that's just the point - I don't. I just think it's kinda childish to hate on a song because it has a line you think is cheesy. I happen to think his nonsensical gibberish is a lot cheesier, not to mention all the rapping he used to indulge in. "I promise to watch and raise your babies" is one of the most mature and heartfelt things that have come out of Chino's mouth. but in the end, as long as it sounds good it's what matters. and the verses in Romantic Dreams sound fucking great.

I fucking love Romantic Dreams. Haters gonna hate.

Quote from: sing blue silver on Nov 25, 2012, 03:33 PM
I fucking love Romantic Dreams. Haters gonna hate.

People with different opinions gonna have different opinions.

I actually like the verses of Romantic Dreams. Which are wasted on the chorus, both lyrically and musically.

"I'm hypnotized by your name, I wish this night would never end".

Come on Chino.

I love KNY.  I feel bad for you guys who aren't enjoying it.  Sucks to be u. 

Quote from: E-Money on Nov 25, 2012, 04:59 PM
I love KNY.  I feel bad for you guys who aren't enjoying it.  Sucks to be u.

i love it too , amazing album 

Quote from: dopeybanana on Nov 24, 2012, 03:44 PM
Is it just me or does Swerve City sound like it could be a sort of homage to the band Swervedriver? That shoegazy verse part has a bassline that sounds a lot like the one in Swervedriver's own Duel. Listen here:


Swervedriver - Duel (HQ)


Thoughts?

wow, thank you for posting this song! I enjoyed it a lot. it's kind of a probability, I see the comparison you're making, PLUS swervedriver toured with Hum back in the day, which deftones are big fans of.

Sharing lungs always gives me some really cool stuff to hear

Still feeling it out. I've never been so conflicted over a Deftones album before, lol.

I hate to say it, but for the most part I'm not digging the lyrics either. I actually think some of my inability to decide how I feel about the album was born form me reading the lyrics while listening to the album for the first time. At several points I couldn't focus on the music because I had obtuse feelings about the lyrics.

I actually really enjoy listening to the album however, and I find that I'm playing it constantly. It's a good listen for the most part and I keep coming back to listen more.

It does feel repetitious at several points, and some songs certainly suffer from monotonous structures and over-polished vocals. But I think my biggest disappointment when it comes to the record is  my lack of physical reaction to it. Upon my first listen I didn't get full-body chills, I didn't feel like jumping around and punching something, I didn't feel like crying or smiling or a whole lot of anything overwhelming. Deftones records have always been able to elicit physical responses from me, but Koi No Yokan didn't. I really wanted it too. Songs like Entombed had potential, but fell short for me in the long run. The first time I heard, "From the day you arrived, I've remained by your side. In chains, entombed..." I had great hopes. The lyrics were natural and sung in a heart-felt way. But those great qualities are hampered by too much repetition and polishing, and not enough organic emotion. Deftones records have always felt very organic to me as well, but Koi No Yokan didn't. I know for the most part Deftones have never had incredibly intricate song structures, but it never mattered because the organic and emotional structure of the songs never called for or needed intricacy. I completely understand that they are in a positive mindset, which makes me incredibly happy for them, but when raw and intense emotion (note I'm not saying NO emotion, just commenting on intensity) is absent or found in lesser quantities, I feel like the songs are calling out for compensation in the technical and/or structural departments, and Koi No Yokan isn't delivering there. 

Like I said, I still enjoy listening to the album, which is why I'm conflicted. It's a good record, but for none of the reasons that past Deftones records have been good for me. At the moment I can say with a certain degree of confidence that the album falls short of greatness, but I'll still enjoy listening to it. All I know is I still get goosebumps when I listen to their past work, even 15+ years later. Some of their songs, especially when I'm alone, are still capable of breaking me down and lifting me up--I just don't think KNY songs are going to do that for me, no matter how much I want them to.

I'm open to being surprised though, and I hope in time I will be.

Much respect,
-Matt

P.S. I actually like the line, "I promise to watch and raise your babies." It feels heartfelt and interesting to me.

Matt it was nice to read your post, more interesting than most of what we can read around here.

I kind of agree with you -the lyrics are sometimes disapointing- and I have to say I miss Terry Date's production especially for Chino's vocals. I generally feel that Chino sings higher notes than he used to, you don't get that low dark whispering style anymore.

On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

As for the goosebumps, I sometimes have them, especially with Poltergeist, Leathers, Rosemary, Tempest, sometimes Entombed.

And songs like Swerve City or Goon Squad still make me want to bump my head and jump around.

Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Nov 25, 2012, 10:27 PM
I completely understand that they are in a positive mindset, which makes me incredibly happy for them, but when raw and intense emotion (note I'm not saying NO emotion, just commenting on intensity) is absent or found in lesser quantities, I feel like the songs are calling out for compensation in the technical and/or structural departments, and Koi No Yokan isn't delivering there. 

i agree, listened through s/t the other day, and what a journey it is.after the last chord of the album, you are shaken and feel euphoric. you're in some kind of high and can't start doing something else right away, you have to land mentally. it's like when you walk out of the cinema after watching a really good movie when you feel shaken cause of a lot of impressions and impact. it's not like that with kny, much because the songs doesn't cut as deep as some other albums. i agree when it's not as emotionally grabbing as other records - for me i wish more out of steph's riffs - that they can offer more stimulation for the mind when the record is not as emotionally stimulating. but kny is a good solid album, i like it. I never bought the hype on this board that it would be their best album like many others said so I was still pleasantly surprised. predicted a 3.5 / 5 and I think it is there now for me. all i wished for was that it would be better than snw och d.e, and for me kny beats those two

upon first hearing the line "i promise to watch and raise your babies" i immediately fell in love with it.  it's completely heartfelt and the delivery of it is incredible.  possibly my favorite line of the whole album.

Quote from: phil for real on Nov 26, 2012, 03:31 AM
upon first hearing the line "i promise to watch and raise your babies" i immediately fell in love with it.  it's completely heartfelt and the delivery of it is incredible.  possibly my favorite line of the whole album.

yes I also think its a great line.  its a kick ass record. 

It is definitely not as emotionally grabbing or stimulating as SNW but I think this record very well is better than DE.

Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 23, 2012, 07:15 PM...

2015

"your babies gave me rabies when i raised him and now they watch me in the hospital"

Lyrics are more simple and not in the "story telling" style with imagery but oh well still good. I don't like how lyrics are disconnected and don't paint a picture for you but a few songs on it do. Still miss the more "concept" type stuff of white pony.

Quote from: Gee on Nov 25, 2012, 11:16 PM
On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

I did forget to mention that, haha. I really enjoyed some of the intros and extended endings. I wish they would have fleshed those out as songs rather than add them to the songs that were already there. As their own thoughts, they're really interesting and different for them.

Much respect,
-Matt

Quote from: Jesus2Chino on Nov 26, 2012, 08:07 AM

Quote from: Gee on Nov 25, 2012, 11:16 PM
On the other hand, musically, the record's generally great. It may be less original that some of the sick riffs we could hear on ATF, WP or the S/T, but I personally enjoy the structures very much, as well as the intros and outros. We even get pre-choruses at times, has somebody ever expected that with Deftones or what ?

I did forget to mention that, haha. I really enjoyed some of the intros and extended endings. I wish they would have fleshed those out as songs rather than add them to the songs that were already there. As their own thoughts, they're really interesting and different for them.

Much respect,
-Matt

Yeah i really loved how they joined the songs together using the little intro and outros some of them i wish had been used to make a whole song

Quote from: Jacob on Nov 25, 2012, 02:20 PM

Quote from: from_musings on Nov 25, 2012, 01:10 PM
i've never been a big fan of his lyrics. some cool phrases here and there - sure, but for me it always has been more about how he says/sings something, how he expresses himself, more than what he actually says/means

yeah, same goes for me. it might sound like I care a lot about the lyrics, but that's just the point - I don't. I just think it's kinda childish to hate on a song because it has a line you think is cheesy. I happen to think his nonsensical gibberish is a lot cheesier, not to mention all the rapping he used to indulge in. "I promise to watch and raise your babies" is one of the most mature and heartfelt things that have come out of Chino's mouth. but in the end, as long as it sounds good it's what matters. and the verses in Romantic Dreams sound fucking great.

I disagree 1000000%. Wow. Everything about this post is just wrong.

There's a difference between abstract lyrics and incoherent lyrics when he used to make up words or make lines that weren't grammatically right it wasn't abstract it just didn't make sense.

Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 26, 2012, 10:18 AM...

that's different though, that's how some people speak. still doesn't make sense and is gramatically wrong, but call it slang or whatever.

one song where the lyrics really are a mess is 7 Words. the parts that do make sense are just silly.

Quote from: Vesanic on Nov 26, 2012, 10:18 AM...

"Much then more" makes sense like he saying he was good than he was better but "Much than more" doesn't make sense when using than you usually put less than or more than and then the subject. BQAD line is grammatically incorrect but it still makes sense it just sort of street talk, alot Chinos' early lyrics don't make sense like in Lotion "You're sticking out hardly and
Hoping money " i know Deftones lyrics are less abstract now but i think Chino is still capable of writing in that style Crosses lyrics are pretty abstract