it's my birthday on friday, i'm 27 . i well hope it leaks for it, that'd be awesome.

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Quote from: Ponte506 on Oct 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
That whole "they're not angry anymore, it's time for them to grow up" argument is fucked three ways to Sunday.  Who gives a shit if they wrote it when they were angry?  Chino's lyrics are so god-damn cryptic from Adrenaline/Around the Fur that any type of meaning you want to stick to it is irrelevant.  Those songs produce more emotion and raw energy than any 8-string chug fest from Leathers or Rosemary.

I'm not a big fan of 7 Words, but that song is an awesome crowd experience live.  Beware?  Minerva?  I almost fall asleep to that shit.

And I highly disagree with having Frank play some 4 note chords on synth throughout a song and Chino chiming in on his guitar every so often as the band "evolving". From 13+ years of guitar and covering every 'tones song in their catalogue, I can promise you Steph produced more intricate riffs on one Adrenaline song than all of SNW, DE, and the current KNY songs combined.

Ok cool. So why are you on this forum? Sounds like you're a fan from back in the gap whining about how they no longer scream and tear shit up like they used to. They're older, their tastes have changed, they evolve. Who wants to hear the same fucking record over and over? If I wanted that - then I would listen to Chevelle or some bullshit like that..

Who cares, just take it for what it is. If you don't like it, then fine - no sense in coming in this forum getting everyone worked up over your opinion. You haven't said anything that I haven't read someone else say many times over..

I'm probably on this forum because I've been lurking here on my original handle (just 'Ponte') since...what....2001?  They're my favorite band, hands down...but just like anything you love, if you're an honest person, and don't choad-choke a band to the point that you gloss over their mis-givings, then I've got every right to mention the not so cheery aspects of the band. 

What I wrote was a detailed opinion on the current state of the band...nothing more, nothing less.  I can't tell you how proud I am to be a fan of this band, and their music has been there in a lot of milestones in my life...the good and the bad.  Why am I discussing it? I dunno...could have sworn that's what forums were for, not sifting through 300 or so pages of "PM ME YO!".

Perhaps if you're not keen in hearing people relay an honest (and mostly accurate) opinion on the Deftones, then why are YOU here?

Quote from: Ponte506 on Oct 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
That whole "they're not angry anymore, it's time for them to grow up" argument is fucked three ways to Sunday.  Who gives a shit if they wrote it when they were angry?  Chino's lyrics are so god-damn cryptic from Adrenaline/Around the Fur that any type of meaning you want to stick to it is irrelevant.  Those songs produce more emotion and raw energy than any 8-string chug fest from Leathers or Rosemary.

I'm not a big fan of 7 Words, but that song is an awesome crowd experience live.  Beware?  Minerva?  I almost fall asleep to that shit.

And I highly disagree with having Frank play some 4 note chords on synth throughout a song and Chino chiming in on his guitar every so often as the band "evolving". From 13+ years of guitar and covering every 'tones song in their catalogue, I can promise you Steph produced more intricate riffs on one Adrenaline song than all of SNW, DE, and the current KNY songs combined.

You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

SquealLikeaPig how much time left on your countdown?

Quote from: Ponte506 on Oct 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
Beware?  Minerva?  I almost fall asleep to that shit.

But, those songs are so cool 

here comes troll'y boo boo...

Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

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Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

Then he's struggling on every single Deftones album.

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Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

Then he's struggling on every single Deftones album.

After self-titled? yes

Quote from: alan1o on Oct 31, 2012, 11:55 PM
it's my birthday on friday, i'm 27 . i well hope it leaks for it, that'd be awesome.

mine is the 13th

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Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

Then he's struggling on every single Deftones album.

After self-titled? yes

No, every album.

Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Oct 31, 2012, 11:54 PM

Quote from: Ponte506 on Oct 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
That whole "they're not angry anymore, it's time for them to grow up" argument is fucked three ways to Sunday.  Who gives a shit if they wrote it when they were angry?  Chino's lyrics are so god-damn cryptic from Adrenaline/Around the Fur that any type of meaning you want to stick to it is irrelevant.  Those songs produce more emotion and raw energy than any 8-string chug fest from Leathers or Rosemary.

I'm not a big fan of 7 Words, but that song is an awesome crowd experience live.  Beware?  Minerva?  I almost fall asleep to that shit.

And I highly disagree with having Frank play some 4 note chords on synth throughout a song and Chino chiming in on his guitar every so often as the band "evolving". From 13  years of guitar and covering every 'tones song in their catalogue, I can promise you Steph produced more intricate riffs on one Adrenaline song than all of SNW, DE, and the current KNY songs combined.

It you want an angry album listen to adrenaline the reason it was so good is because it was what they were feeling at that time if they did that now it wouldn't be sincere because they aren't angry teenagers and as a result you would hear that they are insincere in the music,How the fuck are people surprised Deftones aren't doing adrenaline type stuff they would be non existent if they didn't evolve,And you must not be a guitar player the adrenaline stuff is just as easy to play as their other stuff don't confuse fast with difficult

You don't need to have mommy and daddy issues to make aggressive, in your face music...there are so many outer-personal subjects to heavy music about that could never relate to a damn thing you've ever experienced (war, crime, pollution, Nickelback still being a record-making band, etc).  Fuck...Chino used to write about NOTHING back in the day; he was just really, REALLY good at combining a lot of artsy words to string together a cool sounding song.  Can't be that hard to replicate.

A lot of it has to do with a "fan service" if you will.  Now don't take this as the "WE DESERVE BLSDKFJSL:DKJFS" argument, but I honestly feel like releasing songs that are SOMEWHAT reminiscent of your roots that got 98% of your fan based hooked in the first place is just an awesome gesture and keeps them happy.  I totally get trying to "evolve", and hell, White Pony proved how that evolution created something wonderful...but it was the throwbacks to their earlier worked interwoven with their new material that really made the listening experience special. 

And DeftonesNZ...clearly I don't play guitar (could care less if you like this song):

Staind - Now (Solo Cover)

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Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

Then he's struggling on every single Deftones album.

i'm going to have to disagree, IMO he doesn't sound in the best shape on SNW.

Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

You can hear the fat strangling his vocal chords half the album...

"There's a hole in the earrrrrrrth, I'm AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWT"

but even when he fucks up 'hate' in 'i hate all of my friends..'  in hole in the earth live, he still sounds wicked, just sounds like he's choking up because of the emotion

Deftones probably wouldn't be my favorite band if it weren't for jams like Rivière, Digital Bath, RX Queen, Sextape, 976-Evil, etc. Although I love their aggressive songs just as much, only having songs in which you get yelled at your face would be fucking bland and unvaried...

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Quote from: alan1o on Oct 31, 2012, 11:55 PM
it's my birthday on friday, i'm 27 . i well hope it leaks for it, that'd be awesome.

mine is the 13th

the 12th here 

Hole In The Earth was one of the good songs vocally on SNW

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Quote from: bewareofrats on Oct 31, 2012, 11:58 PM
You're full of it Ponte.  Chino doesn't sound like he's struggling at all with the high notes on SNW.  Those are some of his very best high notes and they sound excellent.

He's struggling...

Then he's struggling on every single Deftones album.

i'm going to have to disagree, IMO he doesn't sound in the best shape on SNW.

Good for you people.  I can see what you are saying if you're talking about the screaming, but not the singing.  I'm just sick of the endless criticism, like it has to be criticized because it's SNW.  I'm well used to the different criticism for the album and can leave most of it but saying the singing is weak or it sounds like Chino is struggling with that on SNW is pure bullshit.  His live performances at the time have nothing to do with the album.