it's just that it's a fairy tale / "wouldn't it be nice if it were like this"-story. reality check please?

again, the thing about that sergio shows so much respect for chi... I haven't scanned the internet for all sergios interviews, only seen the ones people have posted here for a year,maybe maggit base that on things i haven't seen or read.... but in those i've seen here i always find myself thinking he puts too much focus on talking about how rad the whole thing is,how cool it is to go on tour and play, the creativity and positive vibe in the band etc. how's that respectful to chi? how can everything be so positive if one beloved person is down?  I reacted to the fact that in a lot of interviews in the beginning he yapped away about other good things about being in the band when i think he should have taken the time to talk more about chi and why he's there in the first place, how unfortunate the thing with chi is, instead of just showing joy. that's irritating as fuck. he just seemed to see everything as an opportunity. respect for chi?

in an interview in the beginning when sergio was talking about bass in a bass only interview, not a shit about chi. take the recent interview from finland as just an example , he became bitter when the interviewer asked about his own views on a stand in or a permanent member, and when he talked about the first meeting with deftones after the accident he right away began to talk about that everyone had a glow in their eyes and started talking about the awesome creativity - like there was no sandess what so ever in the situation.didn't speak one thing about the accident and the hard time that obviously was in the band. how's  that respectful?

You're one of my favourite members on here but sorry man, I really think you're blowing this way out of proportion.

Being disrespectful to Chi is 100% the last thing Sergio is doing. Quicksand never had the "fame" that Deftones are currently having and we just gotta accept that Sergio is having the time of his life atm and if he comes across as being disrespectful in interviews, it's not on purpose. He's just happy as fuck being a part of this band. I want Chi to come back and start playing with the band again as much as the next person but we gotta be realistic here and realise that could be a long wait.

Now, if Diamond Eyes never existed and Chi wasn't in that awful accident, would Deftones be as popular as they are now? It's debatable and one I don't feel comfortable being involved in.

wow,thanks, didn't see that one coming.    about serg, it's not what he says what bugs me,he's not being a total douche bag saying disrespectful things...and probably doesn't mean to just acting selfish, but it's about what he doesn't say. and - how thrilled he acts in a non thrilled situation. to act like that in the first interviews after chi's accident totally rubbed me in the wrong way. i mean i think it's common courtesy in a state like that to,if you're gonna say it's great to be in deftones,say that it absolutley sucks that it has to happen under these circumstances or something.and not just once. people was in state of mourning,you just can't go full retard with the happy thrilled face and talk about your happy feelings, it's not about you, it's about chi in the first place.
maybe he was so happy about being in the band that he forgot about those things (and keeps forgetting) but when people here says that he actually shows this respect everywhere, when he's actually too caught up in being thrilled from what i've seen,that's too much. because i haven't seen those interviews.they should be plenty but they're not from what i know

From a fan point of view, Sergio is great. Totally different to Chi in many ways but fits into Deftones like peas to carrots.

From a band point of view, they had to do what they thought at the time. Tough decision 100% but there were only two options - quit or carry on. I'd like to think that it's what Chi would want.

Even if Chi left and wasn't in a really unfortunate and sad situation, would we have the same thoughts about Sergio?

Sergio's doing a good job, and I don't see him being disrespectful to Chi at all. What? You want him to look like he starts to cry every single time he's in an interview? Or the other members for that matter? First of all, what they feel is private, and they have no obligation to share that with anyone whatsoever. That being said, they shared it enough, there were pretty emotional interviews where they talked about Chi.

But life goes on my friend, no matter how hard that sounds. No one can stay depressed for years. If anything, we should be glad for the guys at Deftones that they feel so energised and that they can use music to feel better - that's the power of music, why deny it? That being said, I'm sure they all still feel very bad for what happened to Chi and they will continue to do so until the day they die. Even Sergio. But they won't help anyone - including themselves or Chi - by being down all the time.

Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM
I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.

Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before

respect dude !

Quote from: Moz on Sep 09, 2011, 07:41 PM
Sergio's doing a good job, and I don't see him being disrespectful to Chi at all. What? You want him to look like he starts to cry every single time he's in an interview? Or the other members for that matter? First of all, what they feel is private, and they have no obligation to share that with anyone whatsoever. That being said, they shared it enough, there were pretty emotional interviews where they talked about Chi.

But life goes on my friend, no matter how hard that sounds. No one can stay depressed for years. If anything, we should be glad for the guys at Deftones that they feel so energised and that they can use music to feel better - that's the power of music, why deny it? That being said, I'm sure they all still feel very bad for what happened to Chi and they will continue to do so until the day they die. Even Sergio. But they won't help anyone - including themselves or Chi - by being down all the time.

this is about sergio, not chino,steph,abe,frank. i haven't said anything about them, it's the "sergio opinion thread" for crying out loud
i've be critical towards sergio and came up with a couple of examples of what he could have done in the beginning of the tragedy,and things he shouldn't have done imo (talking about how great everything is non stop). you claim that he acted great,but instead of giving examples of that (they're should be several not 1 or 2) you use the other guys in the band for it and how they acted, not anything about sergio. what does that say? anyway, this is turning into a hen from a feather, it's not that i think sergio is satan himself, just that i found his reactions irritating, could've been better

Thanks Longstem
And Moz, very well said!
We don't know what goes on behind closed doors but it would be very false of Sergio to always look depressed or start crying during interviews and THAT would be disrespectful!
Remember that Diamond Eyes was released and these interviews took place well over a year after Chi's accident.
I know that Sergio would get Chi's approval (he did in '99) and that's reason alone for him to get my approval.

let's say 5 people you like were set to go for a road trip from ny to l.a. you would kill to come along but you weren't asked. they had been planning this for a time and were stoked to go. but the day before, one of them got injured bad and got hospitalized. they asked if you could come to fil that empty seat.  when entering that car, would you jump up and down in thew seat and scream "fuck yeah!! road trip!!" although they were downhearted because of what happened?
or would you say kinda low,and out of respect "damn.. how sad about that guy" i'm glad i can go and all, but fuck.. not like this"
when you and that crew later arrived to l.a meeting a bunch of friends to that crew who knew the person in the hospital, would the first thing you would say be: "what's up guys! i say DAMN!! that road trip was awesome! i'm so glad i could come insted of that hospitalized dude! what a great opportunity for ME,no??"


[spoiler]wtf is this shit?[/spoiler]

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 04:47 PM

[spoiler]wtf is this shit?[/spoiler]

Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.

oh yeah, don't come at me with the "sergio never said he was glad chi is away" plz,sometimes facial expressions and the way you speak about things
say more than words. eyes big like plates full of entusiasm says it all ^  "too soon!" is what i say

Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.

and their opinios aren't gonna change mine. are you gonna tell them to let it go too? remember this is an opinion thread

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 05:11 PM

Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
Seriously musings, I agree with some of the points you're making but you're coming across a little crazy so just chill and leave it for once. Your ramblings/musings aren't gonna change their opinions of him.

and their opinios aren't gonna change mine. are you gonna tell them to let it go too? remember this is an opinion thread

Then don't let it bro. Opinions doesn't mean you have to make flawed points and turn this whole thing into a who's right who's wrong debate.

ye, ye i don't know who made you the ref in this little debate. what do you mean crazy? i'm perfectly fine with you calling me whatever you want, but i'm just curious - do you mean "slightly too much" or "people r fake"-crazy, wiccan style?

Nah man you ain't wiccan crazy. Not many people are. But the whole Sergio on a road trip thing you said was a little too much. I understand you simplified the situation but I just dont think he's the only one who's hyped about everything. The band where down as fuck, but feeling creative so then they picked up Sergio. You make it seem as if they were just about ready to go on a massive world tour with Chi (which of course would have done if Eros had been released ) then his injury happened the day before I they were set to go. As much as I don't like Sergio's presence in the band, there is no denying his impact has lead to a "brighter" sound in the music. No dirt.

right, but i didn't mean it was sergio in the car, i tried to explain that we wouldn't accept that kind of behaviour in any other group of people in another situation, but when a similiar situation occur in our favourite band like this, people get blind by fanism, can't be critic for one second and their core values gets thrown out the window. this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion

Well what else is there to talk about? His c00l ass clothes? XD

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 05:07 PM
oh yeah, don't come at me with the "sergio never said he was glad chi is away" plz,sometimes facial expressions and the way you speak about things
say more than words. eyes big like plates full of entusiasm says it all ^  "too soon!" is what i say

LOL "You said it with your eyes!"

wait,you're saying people don't communicate with facial expressions? what about that thing about eyes being mirrors of ones soul? i think i must be blessed or something because i can actually see if a person is happy or sad without that person saying it. i can even see if a dog is happy, and they can't even speak! amazing.
so.. anyone else like cain with the disorder autism?

(Autism: "difficulties with reciprocal social interaction is often the most conspicuous in autism. From a very young age, the person may have difficulty using and understanding eyes, facial expressions, gestures, different intonations and the like in contact with others")

Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Sep 11, 2011, 07:28 PM

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 11, 2011, 07:23 PM
this isn't me knocking his impact on the musics direction, or that he's a bad singer, not chi on stage or whatever, that's another discussion

Well what else is there to talk about? His c00l ass clothes? XD

yes cool clothes, but his t-shirt with the text "one man's sorrow is another mans joy" was a little too much for me though