time to stop cluttering up the interviews thread. discuss your view of sergio here instead. do you consider him a full deftones member, a permanent stand in or otherwise.

My bad. Don't like him in the band. Seems like a cool guy, but I just don't like the direction the band are going in with his presence in the band? Could we have a poll on this?

Reality is that Chi's return to deftones is un-certain, so would should the band to call it quits, hell no. That being said, sergio is doing his best to fill some big shoes, and so far I think he's doing great. Diamond Eyes is great, and he obviously brought some positive energy to the band in a tough time. People need to lay off sergio, and take it for what it is.

though the new direction they took with DE was iffy (don't get me wrong, i love the album), i don't think sergio is really to blame. it seems like it came from the changed outlook of the whole band after chi's accident and all the other shit they've been through. i certainly miss chi but there's nothing we can do. if he ever gets better he won't be coming back. i really wouldn't rather have anyone but sergio standing on stage with them at this point. i hope they get a little heavier on the next record though.

Quote from: sing blue silver on Sep 07, 2011, 10:14 PM
i hope they get a little heavier on the next record though.

Dirtier too, I miss that fucking dirt! Listening to Kimdracula the other day almost made me cry I wanted Chi back so badly

Sergio is cool but for me he is the 7th member of the deftones (6th member is Terry Date isn't it? )
which mean is, he deserve to be a full-time member. So when Chi (hopefully) get back on stage, we have 2 bass player!

That would only work for Needles and Pins really...

I consider him somebody who stepped in in order to help their good friends, and a big reason we are getting new deftones music.

Well I like Sergio. I think he plays different when compared to chi, but he still talented and hes made the band tighter i think. Im sure he a permenant member i dont think chi's coming back even if he gets to full health.

its like Deftones 2.0 when sergion kick in

he has been involved in the making of the d.e album and has been touring that record, fine. but for example,take an interview with him:
he can only comment on the d.e album and the tour of it. but the other six records, and the other like 22 years of deftones existence, he can't say shit. fully fledged band member in the same way as chi? god no.ok as a stand-in, if the alternative is no deftones at all, but be fine with calling yourself a stand in, and nothing else. when he has been invloved in the making of six records, and been out touring with Deftones for 20 years like chi, then I can start playing with the idea to see him as a fully fledged member

in my opinion he is doing a great job. D.E. is a really good record and I really enjoyed their last tour. Chi will never get back on stage, so yeah, he is a full member

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 08, 2011, 11:02 AM
he has been involved in the making of the d.e album and has been touring that record, fine. but for example,take an interview with him:
he can only comment on the d.e album and the tour of it. but the other six records, and the other like 22 years of deftones existence, he can't say shit. fully fledged band member in the same way as chi? god no.ok as a stand-in, if the alternative is no deftones at all, but be fine with calling yourself a stand in, and nothing else. when he has been invloved in the making of six records, and been out touring with Deftones for 20 years like chi, then I can start playing with the idea to see him as a fully fledged member

a bit dramatic, are we?

face the facts, he's a member of the band. it happens, few bands keep the exact same line-up through their entire careers. that doesn't mean every new member is only a stand-in for the founding member(s). the fact that he wrote and recorded DE with them means, in my book, that he's currently a member of the band. what happens in the future remains to be seen. that he's a full member of the band doesn't take anything away from all those years when Chi was a member of the band.

but do I like him being a member of the band? well, I can't complain and I can't imagine they would've found any better replacement for Chi. it's a hard to tell how big a role he played in the writing of DE, and I honestly don't care. if he's a big reason the album sounds the way it does, then I'm happy he was part of it, but it doesn't change the tragedy in the situation. in the end, I'm simply thankful they carried on, made an awesome record and doing great live shows after what happened. if Chi would return I'd welcome him back. if he doesn't return, I'm glad we have Sergio.

come to think of it, i will never see sergio as a 100% deftones member, i'm way too conservative when it comes to these things and want it all to be the same way as always.when i got into deftones,there were steph,chino,abe and chi. in all interviews, in all pictures - just them. + that the first two shows i saw live, it was just those 4 guys on stage so that's deftones to me. when frank later appeared as a ,by them, full member of the band i just couldn't accept it 100%. til this day, if i see an interview with frank or serg, i just think "i'm gonna see this briefly and then check out some real interviews with the real band to get som real answers, not just hearing their friends,hang arounds,and help outs talk. what do they know". can't help it.
frank's a cool dude though, totally fits the band, but still..

chi's been creating basslines for about 20 years - leaving: (with eros) 6 records, that's about 66 songs (counting 11 on each one )
and then the linus stuff - about 20 songs and some unreleased stuff,for convenience, let's say 20 more. that's more than 100 songs he helped wrting through out the years .and then touring and touring and touring.for about, yes - 20 years

serg's been in the band little more than a year,creating basslines for 11 songs. and - most of the songs he plays live- is chi's stuff.
comparing the two - do i see him as fully fledged member as chi? can i speak about them as they were on the same level? using the same title on them? fuck no. there's a big difference and the difference should be known in the titles. fully fledged bassplayer and the stand in.

dude 1) 20 years, 100 songs

dude 2) 1 year, 10 songs

c'mon guys.. it's almost disrespectful to chi to speak about them in the same way

Quote from: from_musings on Sep 08, 2011, 01:50 PM
chi's been creating basslines for about 20 years - leaving: (with eros) 6 records, that's about 66 songs (counting 11 on each one )
and then the linus stuff - about 20 songs and some unreleased stuff,for convenience, let's say 20 more. that's more than 100 songs he helped wrting through out the years .and then touring and touring and touring.for about, yes - 20 years

serg's been in the band little more than a year,creating basslines for 11 songs. and - most of the songs he plays live- is chi's stuff.
comparing the two - do i see him as fully fledged member as chi? can i speak about them as they were on the same level? using the same title on them? fuck no. there's a big difference and the difference should be known in the titles. fully fledged bassplayer and the stand in.

dude 1) 20 years, 100 songs

dude 2) 1 year, 10 songs

c'mon guys.. it's almost disrespectful to chi to speak about them in the same way

WTF is this shit?

haha I guess that was a very confused way of saying that i think a person have to work hard in the studio, hard on the road, a lot of years - to earn the title "bassplayer in deftones". can't go in and grab the title just like that  : )

I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.

Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before

Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM

Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.

It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.

orly. I think I've heard him talk about chi 1,2 times if he has too in a question, otherwise it's mostly him talking about how cool and fun it is to play in the deftones. for me, it feels wrong to see him sit in interviews with a "damn this is awesome!" face when he's there because chi is hurt. haven't seen those several respect for chi interviews

Quote from: pinkmaggit on Sep 08, 2011, 11:13 PM
I agree with what Illzilla, Deftones-Argentina and Jacob have said.
I think that if it wasn't for Sergio we wouldn't have any more Deftones
Because of this I'm incredibly grateful to Sergio.
I just don't think think the band would have carried on if they were faced with auditioning a new bass player or hiring some guy they hardly knew.
The band went through and are still going through an incredibly tough time and Sergio came along with a really good attitude and a great respect for Chi and helped the band continue and press on through the tough times.
He brings a really great energy and you can see that he gets along well with the rest of the band - he seems to bring some harmony to the band.
It shows that he has a great respect towards Chi and I think Chi would be very pleased that the band are carrying on and that Sergio has stepped in to help.
To me Sergio seems like a very modest and likeable guy who, like the rest of the band has a great love and respect of music.
I really can't think of anything bad to say about the guy and I don't understand why some people are hating on him just because he isn't Chi.
Fact is he never will be and isn't trying to be either, he's Sergio and we should all get behind him and support him.
The alternative as I see it is no Deftones at all and that's a really terrible thought as Deftones are my favourite band and there really aren't many other bands around making consistently great music.
Sure we all miss Chi but we have to accept that he is not able to play the way things are now and his recovery will take a long time.
It's not like Sergio pushed him out and came and tried to be the new Chi.
Some people like DE, others don't, some people like SNW or ST and others don't - it's all a matter of personal taste.
We know from previous albums that this is not a band that repeats itself over and over again and often we get very different styles and moods from album to album.
Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean that Sergio is to blame for the direction of the music.
Besides I think Chino and Stef and also Abe have a far greater say and influence in the direction of the music and how it sounds.
I love Diamond Eyes and have to say I'm very happy with Sergio's contribution.
I have a feeling he really helped the band get going on the new album and they had a lot of fun jamming together.
I know for instance that Royal was the first song written for DE.Sergio apparently came round and the band started jamming together and having fun and came up with that song on the first night.
If songs like Royal are the kind of quality we get when these guys get together and jam I'm all for it.
In short I think we just have to accept that nothing in this world stays the same, we can either embrace change and let it give us new experiences or stubbornly oppose it and miss out.
Sergio is not Chi, but try to appreciate him for what he is, without always feeling the need to compare him to Chi, just as you should try to appreciate that each Deftones album is a unique work of music, unique and different from any that came before it.

Side note: I also enjoy the heavier, darker side of Deftones and I think that's one element of their music that will remain constant.
Stef will always like his low guitars and be influences by bands such as Meshuggah.They've always stayed true to themselves and made the music they've wanted to so I really don't see them selling out or pulling a Linkin Park on us now.
For me Diamond Eyes does still have that dark sound and feeling. The songs really do have that night time feel as Chino once said.
I'd definitely say it's darker that White Pony which for me is lighter and poppier but we all have our different opinions and favourite albums.
Just try not to shun some things just because they are different to before

Very well said.