Quote from: Vesanic on Dec 02, 2010, 07:13 PM...

I have that dvd, no he has to struggle at some of those songs too. listen and watch him sing the go get your knife part at knife prty, he has to struggle 

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"Vocal Damage

In 2001 Moreno developed a throat injury due to heavy screaming and was forced to miss at least four shows. He suffered inflammation on his right vocal cord and partial paralysis of the left vocal cord. During the rest of their supporting tour, Chi Cheng took over vocal duties that required screaming while Chino sang the softer melodies of the lyrics, despite recommendations by doctors to hold off from singing to allow time for recovery as well as rumors that the band would be cancelling the remaining stretch of the tour with Godsmack and Puddle of Mudd. [2]"

wkipedia    also, check him singing digital bath at the jay leno show in 2001. he's doing the same thing there

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 01, 2010, 06:38 AM
Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

Quote from: Vesanic on Dec 02, 2010, 07:26 PM...

Do you mean his voice cracks because there is electronics on stage?  they had electronics on the around the fur gigs too, no damaged vocals

Quote from: Vesanic on Dec 02, 2010, 07:41 PM...

Don't worry, it's my bad...  im just slow in my mental process 

Quote from: from_musings on Dec 02, 2010, 07:28 PM

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 01, 2010, 06:38 AM
Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

Dood, again, if you dismantle my post, sentence for sentence, it's pointless. I also at no point mentioned his clothing or hairstyle, nor do i advocate him throwin' up gang signs and shit. Although, the almost "Emcee" aspect of Chino i think is/was one of the things that seperates him from other frontmen. I'm not a big hip-hop or rap fan, but some of those guys really did know how to get the crowd hyped and involved, and i think that's integral. Most if not all "rock" frontmen just don't know how to do that. Chino himself in a 97 interview that Sly posted on youtube says that he really tries to get the crowd into it. He feeds off them and vice versa, basically. By the way he never stopped doing that, he does that to this day. IMO much better than the "Are you fuckin' guys ready to get fuckin' crazy!!!??? Hello Cincinatti!!!" approach of many others.
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Quote from: Vesanic on Dec 02, 2010, 07:13 PM...

Chino sounds the same in music in high places as in the back to school apperance at the Jay Leno show,.that voice sound is the same as when his voice breaks in digital bath, jay leno show. personally I think it is something other than gas and stone but I don't know. all I know is that the voice screwed up long before 2003, that was my point 

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 02, 2010, 08:06 PM

Quote from: from_musings on Dec 02, 2010, 07:28 PM

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 01, 2010, 06:38 AM
Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

I saw them twice when they toured around the fur too-sure, those gigs were something special and in ia different way but... can chino still get away with having bleached spikey hair, baggy clothes and acting like a hip hop gangsta star on stage now that he is 37? probably not.

Overall, I think they grow old in style

Dood, again, if you dismantle my post, sentence for sentence, it's pointless.

ok sorry. it was a long read, maybe i should have read it more slow and again. i thought i commented on the two big things in all that text

No worries.
And yea you did, it's just that the last quote you edited just so happened to be followed by: .....HOWEVER....
It's all good man.

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 02, 2010, 08:06 PM

Quote from: from_musings on Dec 02, 2010, 07:28 PM

Quote from: bodywars9000 on Dec 01, 2010, 06:38 AM
Chino has become, for the most part, a fundamentally different performer/vocalist than the one i personally got to know and love

He feeds off them and vice versa, basically. By the way he never stopped doing that, he does that to this day. IMO much better than the "Are you fuckin' guys ready to get fuckin' crazy!!!??? Hello Cincinatti!!!" approach of many others.
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That's right. He has a good way of making the audience part of the show without being an hypocrite about it.

the acoustic renditions on Hawaii are dubbed. Chino had a cold there, u can hear it in the interviews too.

Back to School was the Conan O Brien show, and that was the worst I've ever heard his voice.  The screams were awesome, the singing/rapping was not.  I remember hearing he had doctor's orders not even to talk that day or something.

I couldn't read all that. That's some kind of 'spamming text'. Don't even know what's this thread about. Yep I'm drunk.

Be specific man, write less shit.


With love, F.

Sorry that you have trouble reading.

I'll be more succinct next time, thank you for your constructive criticism.

I truly appreciate the time you took to share your feelings.

BTW tell your mom i'm sorry the condom broke.

I think we have Mr.The more the merrier Vs. Mr less is more.

Sometimes an opinion or view can get lost in cyber if there's too much chatter around the main thing. At the same time- if a person is writing too brief about something, the opinion sometimes can't be expressed properly. Both extremes causes confusion.

So I'm for the middle thing of the two. that's why I'm mr diplomacy

no irony.I understood both, didn't pick side, and I did the "settle down stop fighting, youre both right" thing. (well, actually i did the you're both wrong thing but you get my point)

I'm actually jealous of everyone that got into ATF the first time round, I'da been like 3 when it came out :/
I love the whole feel of that shit. Likejust looking at the album sleeve and shit, you can tell those were cool times. Cool times i completely missed out on.

Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Dec 06, 2010, 01:03 AM
I'm actually jealous of everyone that got into ATF the first time round, I'da been like 3 when it came out :/
I love the whole feel of that shit. Likejust looking at the album sleeve and shit, you can tell those were cool times. Cool times i completely missed out on.

I feel the same way. 

same here

But it's like me saying I wish I was around for Led Zeppelin and I wasn't. Doesn't make you any less of a fan, you have ears too. Pretty good ones, in fact.

Quote from: DEFinatelydeftones,fsho on Dec 06, 2010, 11:33 AM
But it's like me saying I wish I was around for Led Zeppelin and I wasn't. Doesn't make you any less of a fan, you have ears too. Pretty good ones, in fact.

He says nothing about being less of a fan,just that he wished he was there to experience deftones during that time when they were in their prime and was getting bigger.nothing strange about it really!  I think you who disagree- maybe feel the same, but doesn't admit it.I honor him because he is big enough to be honest about it Personally I wish i could be there back then to see deftones live when chino had dreads..