DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
Prepare for impact with the fanboys... and their nonsense...
Well, you should do whatever works for you... I don't feel the way you do, however, I respect your point of view as well. As I've got tickets to seven different shows for the upcoming European tour in spring, I couldn't be more excited to see them play live again. I've seen them six times and although I've only been a fan since 2012, I do consider myself to be quite devoted. There's nothing wrong with your opinion, though, and I can see why it'd be different, perhaps difficult, for you to see them without Chi. I can understand how you feel. Just do whatever makes you feel happy and since you happen to be new, welcome to the board. :)
If it helps you feel better, I do have similar feelings about a different band as well and as though I never thought I'd not be over the moon to see them again, I'll be missing their European tour this time. It's totally okay to feel this way. Nothing lasts forever, I suppose, not even fandom. I do recall Stef mentioning it's hard for them to come together and to rehearse different songs, so that should be why the setlists are usually quite the same. (I think it was in last year's Australian Q&A?) Bands change and so do fans. They weren't for me when they were younger and now I think they're just fine; not perfect, but it works for me. Who knows what'll happen on the upcoming tours... perhaps you should get yourself a ticket and see? Deftones will be Deftones: they'll always be full of surprises! ;) Do whatever makes you feel good.
...I was entertaining the notion of seeing them in June but when I looked at Ticket Master, all the decent seats were sold out. I've been to the Amphitheater where they're booked for a bunch of shows and the seats available just aren't worth the the obstructed viewing (I'm 5'7 so an unusual amount of seating is obstructed for me and my cursed kind)
I can't wait!
The setlists...smh
I've passed the last couple of times myself. Don't like amphitheaters/arenas. And we can all agree the setlists are stale. But come on dude, does it matter what Chino wears on stage? lol
Yeah and it's not even true that statement!
The first time I saw them was the last time you saw them, 2010. I've seen them play Hole in the Earth, Cherry Waves, Kimdracula and Riviere. And Minerva. Just depends on what happens when you see them.
Their setlists have been way too repetitive, but they've been working on that a little bit, and they've been saying that they want to start switching up their setlists more and more. Usually I wouldn't believe that, especially since they started only playing two Gore songs, but then they started adding more and more Gore songs, opening with Kimdracula, changing things a bit, etc. So I believe them, I think it's just about them (probably mostly Chino) rehearsing older songs to a degree where they're confident adding them to the setlist. But I do think they'll be making more of an effort with the setlists again.
Anyway, if you don't get excited anymore, that sucks, but from my own experiences seeing them live, I've found that those reasons don't apply (except for his clothes, but I don't really care about that).
Quote from: Red Pill on Mar 11, 2017, 10:13 AM
Prepare for impact with the fanboys... and their nonsense...
Oh, shut up...it's gotmyknife's prerogative (and more importantly, their money) if they don't want to go see them live. I don't care what a stranger does in his personal time. If anything, gotmyknife makes a lot of valid criticisms (something you should learn to do, instead of just relying on the quote function). Furthermore, we've all criticized aspects of their tours. My problem is they haven't really been switching up setlists and haven't even played many Koi and Gore songs live. And yeah, more covers would be awesome.
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
Really... so others!
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
I agree with some of what you've said.
As you can see below, my first show was the year of your last. So I can't really speak on how they were before then, except what I've seen on youtube videos and such. I've seen them play a few SNW and ST songs, but since those are my two favorite albums I do wish they'd play those songs more. It always seems to be a WP/ATF-fest whenever I go, which is fine since I love those albums too. I just wish they would vary up their setlists a bit more.
I was pleased to see Kimdracula open their set last year. They also played Minerva that show. They didn't end the show with 7 Words, which is great because they've closed with it for so long. I loved seeing WGTB twice live in 2015. They also played Beware and Bloody Cape (Bloody Cape being probably my favorite Deftones song) at one of those 2 shows. I also got to see Riviere a few years back.
So at least they've been trying.
But you can't excuse the lack of cover songs, both live and recorded. That's definitely something I miss.
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
2 good points!
Uuuuh, they definitely played Minerva the last time I saw them, which was last August....
He's not telling live...but, Creating new songs as that!
Most of those points are moot, but I miss studio covers. They were planning to record some covers (Earth wind & Fire and Elvis they mentioned) after KNY, it didn't happen, and none this time around either.
I don't really want to see covers live for the sake of it though, and 7 Words needed a rest. He did add a Katy Perry - Firework partial cover to it in 2011 btw... and he still does things like adding some Hotline Bling lyrics to Passenger, and Black Sabbath lyrics in Around the Fur. Also Kimdracula was played at like almost every show in 2016, even opened a ton of shows. I would like them to switch it up more, but they do good compared to most bands these days. And in the most recent tour there was more variation each night.
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 11, 2017, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Red Pill on Mar 11, 2017, 10:13 AM
Prepare for impact with the fanboys... and their nonsense...
Oh, shut up...it's gotmyknife's prerogative (and more importantly, their money) if they don't want to go see them live. I don't care what a stranger does in his personal time. If anything, gotmyknife makes a lot of valid criticisms (something you should learn to do, instead of just relying on the quote function). Furthermore, we've all criticized aspects of their tours. My problem is they haven't really been switching up setlists and haven't even played many Koi and Gore songs live. And yeah, more covers would be awesome.
KNY songs, I agree, but they've played lots of Gore songs. All of them except Pittura Infamante, Xenon and Phantom Bride.
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
I can't wait!
The setlists...smh
I agree, definitely lacks diversity that the fans expect.
Quote from: ANattyRat on Mar 13, 2017, 07:23 PM
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 11, 2017, 08:17 PM
Quote from: Red Pill on Mar 11, 2017, 10:13 AM
Prepare for impact with the fanboys... and their nonsense...
Oh, shut up...it's gotmyknife's prerogative (and more importantly, their money) if they don't want to go see them live. I don't care what a stranger does in his personal time. If anything, gotmyknife makes a lot of valid criticisms (something you should learn to do, instead of just relying on the quote function). Furthermore, we've all criticized aspects of their tours. My problem is they haven't really been switching up setlists and haven't even played many Koi and Gore songs live. And yeah, more covers would be awesome.
KNY songs, I agree, but they've played lots of Gore songs. All of them except Pittura Infamante, Xenon and Phantom Bride.
That's true...let me rephrase. They aren't playing many Gore songs per show. I saw them at the Greek last year and they played three Gore songs. You think when touring in the same year they released a new album, they'd do like six or seven songs from that album at a given show.
Quote from: snw9 on Mar 14, 2017, 01:33 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
I can't wait!
The setlists...smh
I agree, definitely lacks diversity that the fans expect.
And maybe Stef plays the solo by himself Lol in panthom bride!
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 14, 2017, 02:35 AM
Quote from: snw9 on Mar 14, 2017, 01:33 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
I can't wait!
The setlists...smh
I agree, definitely lacks diversity that the fans expect.
And maybe Stef plays the solo by himself Lol in panthom bride!
I would love to see Steph bust that solo out live. There was a facebook chat interview in Australia with Steph, Abe and Sergio and they mentioned that they don't have time to practice and play songs so they just usually rehearse what they already know. That was their reasoning.
So many excuses! Damn...
what a lame ass thread this is. I'm happy with the fact they're still playing shows at all. I don't give a shit what Chino wears, tickets are no more than fifty bucks, and it makes for a great night. I've been to five of their of shows. I got fucked up, chilled, went nuts whatever. i didn't go to critique the playlists and chino's attire. enjoy the fact they're still around making music that sounds good. except Xenon that songs sucks
@ZND84 Finally, some positive energy on this thread! ;D I agree with you, only I do think Xenon's a good song, but to each their own. With everything else, you're absolutely right. They play at the coolest venues, tickets are affordable, they're still making great music (at least for my taste) and best of all, they seem to genuinely care about their fans. I honestly don't get why people complain so much about their favorite bands. No band is perfect, but if you don't like the one who's your favorite now, there are lots of other amazing bands to discover out there. I'm just grateful that Deftones are still making music; I was really late to this party, however, I love being their fan and I'm super stoked for their upcoming tour.
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 15, 2017, 06:43 AM
@ZND84 Finally, some positive energy on this thread! ;D I agree with you, only I do think Xenon's a good song, but to each their own. With everything else, you're absolutely right. They play at the coolest venues, tickets are affordable, they're still making great music (at least for my taste) and best of all, they seem to genuinely care about their fans. I honestly don't get why people complain so much about their favorite bands. No band is perfect, but if you don't like the one who's your favorite now, there are lots of other amazing bands to discover out there. I'm just grateful that Deftones are still making music; I was really late to this party, however, I love being their fan and I'm super stoked for their upcoming tour.
I paid 62 dollars to see Deftones for the first time ever in August 2016 (Canada) and what a memorable show it was, they played Kimdracula. I will pay top dollar to see deftones any day.
Quote from: ZND84 on Mar 15, 2017, 06:30 AM
i didn't go to critique the playlists and chino's attire. enjoy the fact they're still around making music that sounds good. except Xenon that songs sucks
Haha except gore sucks...
Quote from: Lucky_Me on Mar 15, 2017, 06:43 AMthey're still making great music (at least for my taste) and best of all, they seem to genuinely care about their fans.
Right Lol...
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
Hi ,
Nice topic, but I do not agree completely.
I mean, I understand your point of view but to me they is certainly no reason to miss them seeing live. Ive seen them +-30 times live and last show (Cologne, Germany) was honestly saying in my top 5 of all time favourite performances. Two decades and those guys rock the stage like gods. I consider myself very lucky as a fan.
Too bad we miss SNW in the setlists. But don't forget they openend their last tour (in the US) with Kimdracula. They have been very open about the dark and hard times and to me that's the big reason why they don't include much song from that era.
This brings me to your other point (and an whole different discussion) about Chi. They are in a better place and life as a band ($$) goes forward. We the fans, and the members of Deftones, miss him but they where able to transforme this into something pretty positive. Something that is clearly visible while seeing the band live and has a huge impact on their live performance.
I can partly agree on your setlist remark. Yes it"s often the same, but they tour about 1/3 to 2/3 a year. Routine is part of the game and they have a lot of (for exp. economical responsabilities). They provide work for a lot of people, they are like a company and that's something different than playing in a garage. I know that's not the strongest argument but I just see it this way. I understand their autopilote modus operandi. :)
Deftones is a band where less is more, so easter eggs are rare. I was able to witness some great surprises the last years in their setlist, often on demand of fans. Remember, 'Combat' in Amsterdam, 'Adrenaline' played in it's entirety in Paris...
I hope to see Deftones live till the end of their career. They are so much more than a good evening of live music and (binge) drinking. It became something special. Travelling around Europe, being a tourist and seeing this band live.
Only good memories so far... only good memories.. !
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
1: SNW is one of my favorite albums. It's sad how it's discarded like it is.
2: Yup
3: I don't really care about clothing and belongings, but sadly this applies to his vocal style and abilities as well, so I agree.
4: Cover songs are the coolest things. That Cure song is dark and haunting. I agree.
5: Yeah, that break was meant to insert some rap or another cover.
6: And yes, this is a signature started with mood settings of white pony that evolved into Minerva. No reason to abondon this progression, it shows amazing range and thought. I agree.
7: I was lucky to hang out with Chi just before the accident here in Vegas for two days. And while I can say they are most certainly different, I thought Chi's backing vocals were bad live, but Sergio makes me want to beat myself to death with an 8 ball in a sock, BUT this isn't anyone's fault.
It does suck the feeling out of you. Makes you feel detached. So I understand.
I mean, you're right man, but what do you do?
"Two decades and those guys rock the stage like gods. I consider myself very lucky as a fan."
I don't agree, lol
Quote from: snw9 on Mar 14, 2017, 11:40 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 14, 2017, 02:35 AM
Quote from: snw9 on Mar 14, 2017, 01:33 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Mar 11, 2017, 12:39 PM
I can't wait!
The setlists...smh
I agree, definitely lacks diversity that the fans expect.
And maybe Stef plays the solo by himself Lol in panthom bride!
I would love to see Steph bust that solo out live. There was a facebook chat interview in Australia with Steph, Abe and Sergio and they mentioned that they don't have time to practice and play songs so they just usually rehearse what they already know. That was their reasoning.
Going to the shows kind of ruins the albums in a way, because you know the album isn't reality.
If someone feels this way and wants to share it, that's fine.
If you feel different, that's fine too.
But many times I feel like some members put in less work and put out a subpar product, while other members do and sound their best at every show.
This is a business and the sloppy members should be held accountable for the negative experience they are giving people.
Quote from: ZND84 on Mar 15, 2017, 06:30 AM
what a lame ass thread this is. I'm happy with the fact they're still playing shows at all. I don't give a shit what Chino wears, tickets are no more than fifty bucks, and it makes for a great night. I've been to five of their of shows. I got fucked up, chilled, went nuts whatever. i didn't go to critique the playlists and chino's attire. enjoy the fact they're still around making music that sounds good. except Xenon that songs sucks
Enjoying their music and thinking the setlists can be more well rounded are not mutually exclusive concepts. I'm with you on Chino's wardrobe, though. He could dress like a kung fu master for I all care...
(https://scontent-ams3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15538789_1789339501319935_5807415045461639168_n.jpg)
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
i agree with 1. and 2. and i love SNW...the sets been the same for years ....and i like sergio...just not feeling his style and singing and dont get me started on steph just standing in the same spot most of the time....shoegaze or whatever?....ive said my peace
I've seen them 15 times since 2003, and I've had these same thoughts at one point or another. I'll tell you something though, once the lights dim and the first notes ring out all that shit goes right out the window. I hope they keep playing because I'll keep seeing them.
2 spot on!
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 15, 2017, 10:56 PM
Quote from: ZND84 on Mar 15, 2017, 06:30 AM
what a lame ass thread this is. I'm happy with the fact they're still playing shows at all. I don't give a shit what Chino wears, tickets are no more than fifty bucks, and it makes for a great night. I've been to five of their of shows. I got fucked up, chilled, went nuts whatever. i didn't go to critique the playlists and chino's attire. enjoy the fact they're still around making music that sounds good. except Xenon that songs sucks
Enjoying their music and thinking the setlists can be more well rounded are not mutually exclusive concepts. I'm with you on Chino's wardrobe, though. He could dress like a kung fu master for I all care...
(https://scontent-ams3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15538789_1789339501319935_5807415045461639168_n.jpg)
What show was this?
I did go out of my way to message the Deftones FB page about doing a cover of Us Or Them by The Cure ( I dare you to listen to that song and tell me it's not suitable for Deftones ) . I doubt they really gave a fuck, but ... fingers crossed ?
There is so many sons for deftones and for u, Let´s choose!
Quote from: nicklav on Mar 16, 2017, 11:28 PM
I've seen them 15 times since 2003, and I've had these same thoughts at one point or another. I'll tell you something though, once the lights dim and the first notes ring out all that shit goes right out the window. I hope they keep playing because I'll keep seeing them.
Exactly the same for me, except that I've seen them 8 times since 2007.
I remember that the days previous to the first time (2007) I've listened a lot of bootlegs from the recent shows (2006) and I was afraid the show was about the same songs but, luckily, it all turned out to be one or maybe the favorite i've been to, with songs like One Weak, Boys Republic, No Ordinary Love, Beware, Lotion.
So, basically, from that day, I've seen them every time they've come to México.
Quote from: snw9 on Mar 17, 2017, 04:14 PM
Quote from: Inkblades on Mar 15, 2017, 10:56 PM
Quote from: ZND84 on Mar 15, 2017, 06:30 AM
what a lame ass thread this is. I'm happy with the fact they're still playing shows at all. I don't give a shit what Chino wears, tickets are no more than fifty bucks, and it makes for a great night. I've been to five of their of shows. I got fucked up, chilled, went nuts whatever. i didn't go to critique the playlists and chino's attire. enjoy the fact they're still around making music that sounds good. except Xenon that songs sucks
Enjoying their music and thinking the setlists can be more well rounded are not mutually exclusive concepts. I'm with you on Chino's wardrobe, though. He could dress like a kung fu master for I all care...
(https://scontent-ams3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15538789_1789339501319935_5807415045461639168_n.jpg)
What show was this?
Ozzfest 99.
Quote from: gotmyknife on Mar 11, 2017, 10:04 AM
DISCLAIMER: I've seen Deftones live 4 times between 2003 and 2010. This isn't meant as any disrespect to the band or people that are current, devoted fans. Whatever makes people happy is cool. The following is a list of reasons why I just can't get excited about Deftones coming to town anymore...
1. They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire
2. They pretty much play the same setlists every single night of their tours now
3. Chino used to have a signature style and he owned it like Elvis. Yes, I'm talking about the converse/skater socks
4. Cover songs of 80s bands are no more, but used to be one of the coolest things to expect (like easter eggs)
5. (an extension of #4) No more splitting up 7-Words to throw in an epic cover song.
6. No more euphoric, uplifting, etherial songs like Minerva, Cherry Waves
7. The final and most important reason is very hard to say. But, it's never been the same without Chi :(
Apart from 3 everything seems correct!
Quote from: nicklav on Mar 16, 2017, 11:28 PM
I've seen them 15 times since 2003, and I've had these same thoughts at one point or another. I'll tell you something though, once the lights dim and the first notes ring out all that shit goes right out the window. I hope they keep playing because I'll keep seeing them.
Same here, except I've only seen them four times since 2010. Travelling there, I'm excited, when the show starts, I'm beyond excited, during the show I'm having the time of my life, and after it I'm the same. Objectively, of course I wish they played more varied songs, songs that are my personal favourites, etc. But for me, they never disappoint when they play live, even though there are a lot of songs that I've seen in every show. Every performance is different and that's what makes it special to me. I'm seeing them in May and I hope to hear some different Gore songs than I did last year, and hopefully a more refreshed setlist, but either way I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: ANattyRat on Mar 29, 2017, 12:34 AM
Quote from: nicklav on Mar 16, 2017, 11:28 PM
I've seen them 15 times since 2003, and I've had these same thoughts at one point or another. I'll tell you something though, once the lights dim and the first notes ring out all that shit goes right out the window. I hope they keep playing because I'll keep seeing them.
Same here, except I've only seen them four times since 2010. Travelling there, I'm excited, when the show starts, I'm beyond excited, during the show I'm having the time of my life, and after it I'm the same. Objectively, of course I wish they played more varied songs, songs that are my personal favourites, etc. But for me, they never disappoint when they play live, even though there are a lot of songs that I've seen in every show. Every performance is different and that's what makes it special to me. I'm seeing them in May and I hope to hear some different Gore songs than I did last year, and hopefully a more refreshed setlist, but either way I'm looking forward to it.
I hope a more refreshed setlist and energy live!
"They divorced Saturday Night Wrist from their repertoire"
That's why I DO go to their shows :D
Not a fan of dat Saturday Night Lookatdaflicko'da Wri$$$t ?
.... I apologize in advance
Better than gore, diamond eyes...
Saturday Night Wrist was an amazing album. The way it was produced, the final sound and mix, it sounded so big. I remember my first time hearing it, I was so happy with how it sounded.
When I first heard Gore, I was instantly pissed. It sounds like a kid that downloaded pro tools and tried to make an album. I haven't even listened to a song from Gore in months. It's a forgettable album, that I bet pretty soon, most of you will stop listening to it.
In contrast, I just had SNW in the car yesterday, playing with the rest of the discography, minus Gore.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 30, 2017, 05:54 AM
It's a forgettable album, that I bet pretty soon, most of you will stop listening to it.
For me, I highly doubt it. I still enjoy Gore, and consider it the best of the Sergio era.
If you're still listening to it now - a YEAR on - then it's unlikely you're just going to stop listening to it.
I can't stand gore!
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 30, 2017, 03:36 PM
If you're still listening to it now - a YEAR on - then it's unlikely you're just going to stop listening to it.
A year on is nothing.
I still pop in God's Hands.
Gore is forgettable.
If there was a way to count how much the other albums are listened to, compared to Gore, by the fans, I bet you in the near future that Gore will drop to the bottom two spots on that list.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 03:16 AM
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 30, 2017, 03:36 PM
If you're still listening to it now - a YEAR on - then it's unlikely you're just going to stop listening to it.
A year on is nothing.
I still pop in God's Hands.
Gore is forgettable.
If there was a way to count how much the other albums are listened to, compared to Gore, by the fans, I bet you in the near future that Gore will drop to the bottom two spots on that list.
I still listen to God's Hands as well, that's completely irrelevant.
If you think an album's forgettable or not worth it, you're not going to be listening to it for a full year. And if you're listening to it for that long, you're probably not just going to stop and suddenly decide it's shit.
As much as you would like to think so...
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 31, 2017, 09:11 AM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 03:16 AM
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 30, 2017, 03:36 PM
If you're still listening to it now - a YEAR on - then it's unlikely you're just going to stop listening to it.
A year on is nothing.
I still pop in God's Hands.
Gore is forgettable.
If there was a way to count how much the other albums are listened to, compared to Gore, by the fans, I bet you in the near future that Gore will drop to the bottom two spots on that list.
I still listen to God's Hands as well, that's completely irrelevant.
If you think an album's forgettable or not worth it, you're not going to be listening to it for a full year. And if you're listening to it for that long, you're probably not just going to stop and suddenly decide it's shit.
As much as you would like to think so...
That's not true.
People will listen to it out of trying to force themselves to like it, since they have spent years telling people how infallible the Deftones are.
The production is shit and most of it is soulless.
You even have Chino saying there is nothing to sing about, on one of the freaking songs. If there is such a thing as a filler album, Gore is it.
All hail The Cyndicate, whose views speak for everyone else and if you disagree, you're just kidding yourself. Gore is soulless, don't you know?
I will agree that the production and mixing is shit though. The sound could really do with being re-done and then re-released.
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 31, 2017, 01:37 PM
All hail The Cyndicate, whose views speak for everyone else and if you disagree, you're just kidding yourself. Gore is soulless, don't you know?
I will agree that the production and mixing is shit though. The sound could really do with being re-done and then re-released.
Honestly, I've been confused since the start. I've always thought Gore was good, I'm kind of surprised that it gets so much disdain. Although, my two favorite Deftones albums (ST and SNW) always seem to get disdain as well.
I think it comes down to this.. the same people who really liked Self Titled are generally the people who like Gore. To me, these albums are very similar in many ways. People who really liked albums like Diamond Eyes and Koi do not like Gore.
I think someone said it before, this is a testament to the variety that Deftones provides. Many people wish to hear many different things from Deftones. It's a very unique thing. Most bands are not quite as polarized.
Do I think they're perfect? Of course not. My Diamond Eyes vinyl would do well to collect dust on my shelf for a while. Sure, I'll listen to a track or two on my phone every once and a while, but as a whole album it just doesn't do it for me. Same goes for Adrenaline, and to a lesser extent Koi. They just don't grab me that much. But I just like Gore. What's the big deal?
I have never liked music that I then later stopped liking. I have not liked music that I then later started liking. I have liked music and then later liked it
comparatively less by liking other things more. But I have never gone from liking a song or album to not liking a song or album.
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Mar 31, 2017, 03:42 PM
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 31, 2017, 01:37 PM
All hail The Cyndicate, whose views speak for everyone else and if you disagree, you're just kidding yourself. Gore is soulless, don't you know?
I will agree that the production and mixing is shit though. The sound could really do with being re-done and then re-released.
Honestly, I've been confused since the start. I've always thought Gore was good, I'm kind of surprised that it gets so much disdain. Although, my two favorite Deftones albums (ST and SNW) always seem to get disdain as well.
I think it comes down to this.. the same people who really liked Self Titled are generally the people who like Gore. To me, these albums are very similar in many ways. People who really liked albums like Diamond Eyes and Koi do not like Gore.
I think someone said it before, this is a testament to the variety that Deftones provides. Many people wish to hear many different things from Deftones. It's a very unique thing. Most bands are not quite as polarized.
Do I think they're perfect? Of course not. My Diamond Eyes vinyl would do well to collect dust on my shelf for a while. Sure, I'll listen to a track or two on my phone every once and a while, but as a whole album it just doesn't do it for me. Same goes for Adrenaline, and to a lesser extent Koi. They just don't grab me that much. But I just like Gore. What's the big deal?
I have never liked music that I then later stopped liking. I have not liked music that I then later started liking. I have liked music and then later liked it comparatively less by liking other things more. But I have never gone from liking a song or album to not liking a song or album.
Part of the problem is that most bands that keep going for twenty years or longer will have very clear peaks and very clear dips. Maintaining a level of consistency for that long is so difficult and in most cases, there will be a rough consensus about their duff album(s) and their peak album(s).
With Deftones and probably only a handful of other rock bands, it's a different story because of their consistent quality. Yes there are still peaks - the three album run of Around The Fur, White Pony and the S/T is and will always be their peak period in my opinion and I don't think they have it in them anymore to create a record that matches the quality of those, especially ATF and WP. However, even in their 'dips', the standard of their studio work has still been good. It's why there's so much variation when fans try and rate their discography from favourite to least favourite - if you're not personally that into a specific album, there are a thousand other people who fucking love it. I don't listen to KNY all that much but I still rate it and I know lots of people who adore it. Similarly, I'm head over heels in love with the S/T but there are people who don't like it all that much (as mad as they are). There really aren't many other bands for whom there is such a consensus about the consistent quality of their work and, consequently, such a spread of opinion about which is their best and which is their worst.
Take White Pony. We're probably all aware of the reputation that album has, a reputation that doesn't only exist amongst Deftones fans. There are rock fans that aren't that into Deftones that are well aware of the regard that record's held in. For most bands, there would probably be a majority consensus that it was their best album. If you polled every Deftones fan however, I don't think it would get a third of the vote. It would probably just about come top.
LG95 is spot on 👊🏻
' even in their 'dips', the standard of their studio work has still been good. '
DE, Gore = bad
Quote from: The Prodigy on Apr 01, 2017, 01:51 AM
' even in their 'dips', the standard of their studio work has still been good. '
DE, Gore = bad
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For the record, I have liked every single album, except Gore.
If you love Gore, that's fine, you are just one of the rare ones.
I'm telling you, if technology existed that could show what every Deftones fan listens to, Gore would be near the bottom.
I know alot of Deftones fans in person and when they are playing Deftones, it isn't Gore. Some will swear that they like it, yet have never been caught playing it.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 01:28 PM
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 31, 2017, 09:11 AM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 03:16 AM
Quote from: LG95 on Mar 30, 2017, 03:36 PM
If you're still listening to it now - a YEAR on - then it's unlikely you're just going to stop listening to it.
A year on is nothing.
I still pop in God's Hands.
Gore is forgettable.
If there was a way to count how much the other albums are listened to, compared to Gore, by the fans, I bet you in the near future that Gore will drop to the bottom two spots on that list.
I still listen to God's Hands as well, that's completely irrelevant.
If you think an album's forgettable or not worth it, you're not going to be listening to it for a full year. And if you're listening to it for that long, you're probably not just going to stop and suddenly decide it's shit.
As much as you would like to think so...
That's not true.
People will listen to it out of trying to force themselves to like it, since they have spent years telling people how infallible the Deftones are.
The production is shit and most of it is soulless.
You even have Chino saying there is nothing to sing about, on one of the freaking songs. If there is such a thing as a filler album, Gore is it.
How did you get so arrogant that you decide to speak for the people who listen to it? I've been listening to Gore every single day since it released. And of course Gore would be at the bottom list of played albums; it's the newest album. I've listened to White Pony songs way more than I've listened to Gore songs, because it's been out for longer. What kind of logic is that?
Also if you hate Gore, that's fair enough, but please don't bring the lyrics into it. He wrote a song like Digital Bath, but you've decided that that one line in one song is to be taken literally? On the same album he has a song about suicide, but I don't think he's got an actual gun to his head, do you? Hearts/Wires has a hopeless vibe to it, so the lyrics coincide with it. Don't grasp at straws just because you want your opinion to be factual rather than subjective.
Saying someone is arrogant is a compliment. It means you can't argue the point anymore and what to use name calling as a way to devalue my side of thing. It won't work.
When you check on album popularity via days or week, like I originally talking about, Gore would drop down near the bottom. At the end of all of the, Gore will be the forgotten album.
Quote from: The Prodigy on Apr 01, 2017, 01:51 AM
' even in their 'dips', the standard of their studio work has still been good. '
DE, Gore = bad
Nope, not even close.
Quote from: LG95 on Apr 01, 2017, 10:42 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Apr 01, 2017, 01:51 AM
' even in their 'dips', the standard of their studio work has still been good. '
DE, Gore = bad
Nope, not even close.
http://youtu.be/nxXEPk3dzFg?list=PLZalimzuTI9waDABaawiUo_ho7qGybwvP (http://youtu.be/nxXEPk3dzFg?list=PLZalimzuTI9waDABaawiUo_ho7qGybwvP)
I like how this thread turned into the Gore thread and the actual Gore thread turned into Korn vs Deftones.
Quote from: kurtone on Apr 01, 2017, 04:43 PM
I like how this thread turned into the Gore thread and the actual Gore thread turned into Korn vs Deftones.
I don't know why. Gore is good and Deftones are better than Korn.
What's there to debate? ;D
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 01, 2017, 05:23 PM
Quote from: kurtone on Apr 01, 2017, 04:43 PM
I like how this thread turned into the Gore thread and the actual Gore thread turned into Korn vs Deftones.
I don't know why. Gore is good and Deftones are better than Korn.
What's there to debate? ;D
Gore Sucks and Korn are better than Deftones!
Quote from: The Prodigy on Apr 01, 2017, 05:30 PM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 01, 2017, 05:23 PM
Quote from: kurtone on Apr 01, 2017, 04:43 PM
I like how this thread turned into the Gore thread and the actual Gore thread turned into Korn vs Deftones.
I don't know why. Gore is good and Deftones are better than Korn.
What's there to debate? ;D
Gore Sucks and Korn are better than Deftones!
I know you are, but what am I?!
As if there was any doubt that you're a deeply insane individual, you prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt by saying Korn are better than Deftones.
I use to love KoRn to death but they are no where near the Deftones. Gore is better than any KoRn album in the last 8 years and I hate Gore.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 01:28 PM
You even have Chino saying there is nothing to sing about, on one of the freaking songs.
That's just a single line intended to detail the themes of loss and regret on Hearts/Wires. Plus, he sings that there's nothing to sing about, yet he spends the entire album singing about various topics and themes. So, it's meant to be an ironic statement. Kind of like how he sings "still the same song" on Deathblow.
Quote from: LG95 on Apr 01, 2017, 06:08 PM
As if there was any doubt that you're a deeply insane individual, you prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt by saying Korn are better than Deftones.
Right and gore and the weak diamond eyes are good hahahaha
http://youtu.be/TMbD22UHynw (http://youtu.be/TMbD22UHynw)
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 08:18 AM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 01:28 PM
You even have Chino saying there is nothing to sing about, on one of the freaking songs.
That's just a single line intended to detail the themes of loss and regret on Hearts/Wires. Plus, he sings that there's nothing to sing about, yet he spends the entire album singing about various topics and themes. So, it's meant to be an ironic statement. Kind of like how he sings "still the same song" on Deathblow.
I don't agree at all.
I take it literally, because the album lacks alot of the passion and atmosphere of all the other albums.
That line also does not fit in the style or pattern that Chino normally sings and writes in.
Face it, this album is written from other experiences/he took less care writing it and it shows.
He meant that shit.
Like Hideo Kojima can't stand Metal Gear anymore, Chino is sick and bored of the Deftones and THAT is the perfect analogy, because MGS V:TPP was half ass for the same reason.
Plus:
Same old song is about a person's actions.
He says Nothing to sing about: IVE BARED ALL MY LEAVES.
That's as litteral as it gets. He's given all he can give to this shit, he's done.
They are in denial...
Quote from: Red Pill on Apr 02, 2017, 03:16 PM
They are in denial...
Or, perhaps, here's a novel idea: we just genuinely like something that you don't. Most children must grow out of Solipsism at some point or another.
Lol Gore...zZz
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 02, 2017, 01:47 PM
I don't agree at all.
I take it literally, because the album lacks alot of the passion and atmosphere of all the other albums.
That line also does not fit in the style or pattern that Chino normally sings and writes in.
Face it, this album is written from other experiences/he took less care writing it and it shows.
He meant that shit.
Like Hideo Kojima can't stand Metal Gear anymore, Chino is sick and bored of the Deftones and THAT is the perfect analogy, because MGS V:TPP was half ass for the same reason.
Plus:
Same old song is about a person's actions.
He says Nothing to sing about: IVE BARED ALL MY LEAVES.
That's as litteral as it gets. He's given all he can give to this shit, he's done.
I agree that it's one of the more obvious lyrics Chino's written. It's not in his usual cryptic style. But I like that on an album of primarily cryptic lyrics, it seems stark and emotionally honest in comparison. It's FAR from being the best lyric he's ever written, sure, but his melancholy delivery makes it work, IMO.
And I'd actually posit that Gore is lyrically his best work since S/T. There's some good lyrics on post-S/T albums, but Gore seems to have some of his more unique material. Take Acid, Geo and Pittura, for instance. They seem to almost be a new lyrical style for him.
And you didn't like Phantom Pain? I never finished it, but I thought that's maybe just because I'm not really into video games like I used to be. It seems like everyone went crazy for it though, so I'm genuinely curious why it didn't work for you.
Gore lyrics = basic shit
That's a really well thought-out argument, professor.
Do you want more examples! that and this pretty much sum it up
Quote from: Red Pill on Feb 18, 2017, 02:50 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Feb 16, 2017, 07:59 PM
Quote from: musteatbrains on Jan 31, 2017, 02:15 PM
For me, Gore marks a low point in the Deftones career, and I'm not sure if they'll ever bounce back from it. It sounds like a band trying to do their best Deftones impression between the music and lyrics. Some songs like Gore and Doomed User are heavy for the sake of being heavy, but in the end not very compelling between bland riffs, strained vocals, and uninspired lyrics. The whole album in fact is filled with pedestrian lyrics that ultimately say nothing and come off either forced or insipid. Chino's faltering voice does nothing to push their immediacy leither. It appears the sedentary, unencumbered life, while making for a happier existence for the band, also makes for a boring performance that serves as merely the fulfillment of a servant obligation enabling the band to tour, get some press, and sell some outrageously-priced yet also uninspired merchandise. It's a sad state of affairs, but after almost 30 years it's also not that much of a shocker.
This is Gore!
All you do is just keep quoting someone else's post over and over again. Are you completely and utterly incapable of expressing your own thoughts?
Which I'm fully entitled to do. And you still dont get it
Quote from: Red Pill on Apr 02, 2017, 06:16 PM
Gore lyrics = basic shit
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 02, 2017, 01:47 PM
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 08:18 AM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Mar 31, 2017, 01:28 PM
You even have Chino saying there is nothing to sing about, on one of the freaking songs.
That's just a single line intended to detail the themes of loss and regret on Hearts/Wires. Plus, he sings that there's nothing to sing about, yet he spends the entire album singing about various topics and themes. So, it's meant to be an ironic statement. Kind of like how he sings "still the same song" on Deathblow.
I don't agree at all.
I take it literally, because the album lacks alot of the passion and atmosphere of all the other albums.
That line also does not fit in the style or pattern that Chino normally sings and writes in.
Face it, this album is written from other experiences/he took less care writing it and it shows.
He meant that shit.
Like Hideo Kojima can't stand Metal Gear anymore, Chino is sick and bored of the Deftones and THAT is the perfect analogy, because MGS V:TPP was half ass for the same reason.
Plus:
Same old song is about a person's actions.
He says Nothing to sing about: IVE BARED ALL MY LEAVES.
That's as litteral as it gets. He's given all he can give to this shit, he's done.
Quote from: Red Pill on Apr 02, 2017, 06:46 PM
Do you want more examples! that and this pretty much sum it up Quote from: Red Pill on Feb 18, 2017, 02:50 AM
Quote from: The Prodigy on Feb 16, 2017, 07:59 PM
Quote from: musteatbrains on Jan 31, 2017, 02:15 PM
For me, Gore marks a low point in the Deftones career, and I'm not sure if they'll ever bounce back from it. It sounds like a band trying to do their best Deftones impression between the music and lyrics. Some songs like Gore and Doomed User are heavy for the sake of being heavy, but in the end not very compelling between bland riffs, strained vocals, and uninspired lyrics. The whole album in fact is filled with pedestrian lyrics that ultimately say nothing and come off either forced or insipid. Chino's faltering voice does nothing to push their immediacy leither. It appears the sedentary, unencumbered life, while making for a happier existence for the band, also makes for a boring performance that serves as merely the fulfillment of a servant obligation enabling the band to tour, get some press, and sell some outrageously-priced yet also uninspired merchandise. It's a sad state of affairs, but after almost 30 years it's also not that much of a shocker.
This is Gore!
Yes, you are fully entitled to be completely and utterly incapable of expressing your own thoughts. That doesn't mean it's a good thing, though.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 07:08 PM
Yes, you are fully entitled to be completely and utterly incapable of expressing your own thoughts. That doesn't mean it's a good thing, though.
Don't put your pig words in my mouth
... I'm fully entitled to quote others person opinion. Gore lyrics still suck!
Yeah, you can do whatever you want. In fact, keep doing it. Continually re-quoting a post when someone engages you in a debate just because you're too lazy and stupid to offer your own counter-arguments beyond repetitive trivialities is quite hilarious. Respond to this with another quote, in fact.
I don't agree with everything TheCyndicate is saying, but at least he's offering a strong, thought-out argument. Can't say the same for you, but I guess not everyone has a capacity for logical thought.
And look, you don't like the lyrics on Gore? Fine. But both you and I know your dumb ass could never write something as poetic as Acid Hologram.
You are right retard! I can quote and i can reply as i want, if i want it... I will not waste time with a lame lazy fan boy retard as you, musteatbrains pretty much sum it up and you still think acid hologram or the album have good lyrics...why should i give a fuck about what you think!
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 07:44 PM
And look, you don't like the lyrics on Gore? Fine. But both you and I know your dumb ass could never write something as poetic as Acid Hologram.
No, but I bet he could quote it really well and call everyone else a "retard." He's very good at that. The best.
The last song you posted in the "What song are you listening to?" thread is Bad and Boujee by Migos. I'm not going to quote the entire thing because it goes on for WAY too long, but here are some sample lyrics.
"Offset, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo!
Rackaids on rackaids, got back-ends on back-ends
I'm ridin' around in a coupe (coupe)
I take your bih right from you (You)
Bitch I'm a dog, roof (grr)
Beat the hoe walls loose (hey)
Hop in the frog, whoo (skrt)
I tell that bih to come comfort me (comfort me)"
Let's compare and contrast that to the Acid Hologram lyrics:
"In the haze of your light
We bathe and wane
You've surrounded our hearts again
You smother me in shapes, in a secret praxis
You've shown me your charms
Revealed your name
Blow the clouds from your mouth again
And smother me in shapes
You'll reveal your secret side
[Chorus]
Your light will fade and our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse
[Verse 2]
In the wake of your plume
We bathe and drink
You remind me of her again
Smother me in shapes
And reveal your secret side
[Chorus]
Your life will fade, and our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse
In time your light will fade
And our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse
In time your light will fade
And our hearts will sync in time
Your disguise will shift and reverse"
YUP I TAKE YOUR BIH RIGHT FRUM YOO BITCH IM A DOG ROOF GRRR IZ BETTUR LYRACZ DAN CHEENO CUZ CHEENO SAID MEAN THINGZ ABOUT DA WHOLEY TRIO OF DAVIZ, DERST AND BENNINTANZ DEEEERRRRP
Oh, shit. I might have seriously just turned this thread into a Deftones vs Migos argument. I immediately regret this course of action.
Red Pill, The Prodigy, and Seven are about as close to message board cancer as you can possibly get. I'll never understand people who intentionally go around being negative and insulting other people, most of the time for no reason at all. I'll never understand why some people seem to get off on being assholes.
I'm still unconvinced that any of them is 100% serious. They have got to be trolls. I just really have a hard time fathoming real human beings with such cancerous personalities.
Funny when the tards dont have a logical response to the posts exposing how lame Gore IS! They say, you only quote! It's like when the judge ask for evidence and you show him... Lol do you think, i will waste time with trolls when people show you evidence, and you deny it... pls dont be pathetic comparing migos with deftones! Gore lyrics suck!
Why shouldn't I compare them? Because Migos suck dick? Okay, agreed. Glad we straightened that out. Cool. I'll stick with Gore and you can stick with your garbage hipster mumble rap and dated nu-metal.
Lol, and musteatbrains didn't expose shit. He offered a couple of decent arguments related to his opinon, but certainly nothing conclusive. First off, he mentions Gore (the song) and Doomed User as being heavy for the sake of being heavy. I agree, but those my two least favorite songs on the album anyway. He completely fails to mention all of the good songs on the album, with P/T, AH, GH, H/W, L(MIRL) and Rubicon being the six best. Bad production (fuckin' Matt Hyde, I swear), I grant you, but look past that. The actual songwriting on those songs are great. The melodies are great.
Then he criticizes the lyrics...well, I ask in return, what are better lyrics in comparison to, say, the AH lyrics I just posted? "She breaks her horses OOoooOooooOOOoooOOoooO?" Or how about "ooOOooOOOooOOOOH I wish this night would never end!" Please give me a break.
We don't have a logical response? I responded to TheCyndicate's admittedly well-thought out response with a response of my own. What's your response? To keep posting the same shit over and over with the fucking vocabulary of a ten-year-old boy playing Counterstrike for the first time. You've offered no evidence besides quoting others because you are literally incapable of articulating your own thoughts beyond petty insults. I, on the other hand, keep my insults on some clever shit.
Clever shit hahahaha.... Retard...
Both of them see the obvious though. The band is dead... Forced and weak lyrics... If you fail to see it, you are in denial...
If only Chino would learn from the lyrical master, Fred Durst.
"Pay me no mind, I seen the Fight Club, About 28 times, And I'm a keep my pants sagging"
"I thank God, mom & dad, Adriana, the sky, for the love I feel inside, Jordan, my phat ass band, Without 'em I'd be nothin' but a pumpkin shoved inside a can"
"When I walk out on stage, All headaches go away, Got the back from the sickest road crew, Chris and Bobby for sticking to it, Sugar Ray taught me life was all about drinking"
"'Cuz now it's time to pay the piper, Bums are the type of sh-t that's in a diaper, Don't make me have to call a sniper, And wipe your brains off my windshield wiper you dirty bug"
You think the band is dead, yet you AND Korn still desperately want to see Korn and Deftones tour together. Five years ago, Korn handed Deftones an award for best album of the year (not even for my favorite Deftones album, but the point remains). That's never going to be the other way around. Deftones will NEVER hand Korn an award for best album and it makes you and Korn's wittle feewings so huwt. Deftones don't give a flying fuck about touring with Korn and it makes your soul burn. Hahaha! Get over it, you little nu-metal queen.
Also, you're telling me Gore has weak lyrics, then go posting fucking Migos videos. Because that ignorant bullshit has such fantastic lyrics. You are mind-meltingly stupid, but fantastically so. Congrats, stupid.
This is basically you in a nutshell:
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Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 02, 2017, 09:33 PM
"Pay me no mind, I seen the Fight Club, About 28 times, And I'm a keep my pants sagging"
XD Fuck, did he have to attach his massive suckage to every single thing that didn't suck? He's like "Well, I suck, so I'll give props to things that don't suck so they suck as much as me!"
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 09:40 PM
"Well, I suck, so I'll give props to things that don't suck so they suck as much as me!"
Much in the same way that people like Red Pill come to a Deftones fan forum, some people just like to drag everything down to their sad, mentally stunted, level.
That video you posted, by the way, is pretty much exactly how I imagine him. I have never seen that video before, and yet it's remarkably similar to what I had already envisioned Red Pill to be like.
Oh shit, I knew that voice and animation style looked familiar. Is that David Firth?! I fucking love him.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 09:40 PM
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 02, 2017, 09:33 PM
"Pay me no mind, I seen the Fight Club, About 28 times, And I'm a keep my pants sagging"
XD Fuck, did he have to attach his massive suckage to every single thing that didn't suck? He's like "Well, I suck, so I'll give props to things that don't suck so they suck as much as me!"
Stupid fuck Fred Durst it's in the game Fight Club, stop hating nu metal just because chino is bitter! I don't give a fuck about deftones touring with korn... deftones and the weak setlists are boring...what happened to deftones
ROFFFFFFFFL @ the game Fight Club. This kid is priceless.
Like, seriously...who gives props to the Fight Club video game?
Quote from: illthrowROCKS@U on Apr 02, 2017, 09:46 PM
Oh shit, I knew that voice and animation style looked familiar. Is that David Firth?! I fucking love him.
Yup! His stuff is hilarious.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 09:54 PM
ROFFFFFFFFL @ the game Fight Club. This kid is priceless.
Like, seriously...who gives props to the Fight Club video game?
You are a retard, Kid! Regardless of your interest in the subject matter of the game, he doesn't need associate himself with fight club! Fred Durst has been character in three separate games!
Don't feed the trolls, people.
Oh and Geometric Headress has some of the coolest, most original lines in any Deftones song, no debate.
Quote from: N0S3BLEED976 on Apr 02, 2017, 10:08 PM
Don't feed the trolls, people.
Oh and Geometric Headress has some of the coolest, most original lines in any Deftones song, no debate.
No debate...Haha another troll!
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 08:58 PM
Why shouldn't I compare them? Because Migos suck dick? Okay, agreed. Glad we straightened that out. Cool. I'll stick with Gore and you can stick with your garbage hipster mumble rap and dated nu-metal.
Lol, and musteatbrains didn't expose shit. He offered a couple of decent arguments related to his opinon, but certainly nothing conclusive. First off, he mentions Gore (the song) and Doomed User as being heavy for the sake of being heavy. I agree, but those my two least favorite songs on the album anyway. He completely fails to mention all of the good songs on the album, with P/T, AH, GH, H/W, L(MIRL) and Rubicon being the six best. Bad production (fuckin' Matt Hyde, I swear), I grant you, but look past that. The actual songwriting on those songs are great. The melodies are great.
Then he criticizes the lyrics...well, I ask in return, what are better lyrics in comparison to, say, the AH lyrics I just posted? "She breaks her horses OOoooOooooOOOoooOOoooO?" Or how about "ooOOooOOOooOOOOH I wish this night would never end!" Please give me a break.
We don't have a logical response? I responded to TheCyndicate's admittedly well-thought out response with a response of my own. What's your response? To keep posting the same shit over and over with the fucking vocabulary of a ten-year-old boy playing Counterstrike for the first time. You've offered no evidence besides quoting others because you are literally incapable of articulating your own thoughts beyond petty insults. I, on the other hand, keep my insults on some clever shit.
Completely agree. And Matt Hyde better hide if he's doing the next record... or figure some shit out..
Gore is weak!
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 02, 2017, 05:48 PM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 02, 2017, 01:47 PM
I don't agree at all.
I take it literally, because the album lacks alot of the passion and atmosphere of all the other albums.
That line also does not fit in the style or pattern that Chino normally sings and writes in.
Face it, this album is written from other experiences/he took less care writing it and it shows.
He meant that shit.
Like Hideo Kojima can't stand Metal Gear anymore, Chino is sick and bored of the Deftones and THAT is the perfect analogy, because MGS V:TPP was half ass for the same reason.
Plus:
Same old song is about a person's actions.
He says Nothing to sing about: IVE BARED ALL MY LEAVES.
That's as litteral as it gets. He's given all he can give to this shit, he's done.
I agree that it's one of the more obvious lyrics Chino's written. It's not in his usual cryptic style. But I like that on an album of primarily cryptic lyrics, it seems stark and emotionally honest in comparison. It's FAR from being the best lyric he's ever written, sure, but his melancholy delivery makes it work, IMO.
And I'd actually posit that Gore is lyrically his best work since S/T. There's some good lyrics on post-S/T albums, but Gore seems to have some of his more unique material. Take Acid, Geo and Pittura, for instance. They seem to almost be a new lyrical style for him.
And you didn't like Phantom Pain? I never finished it, but I thought that's maybe just because I'm not really into video games like I used to be. It seems like everyone went crazy for it though, so I'm genuinely curious why it didn't work for you.
I love TPP, it just lacks the same paranormal/Kojima feel. It just feels like you have to TRY to like it, just like you have to TRY to like Gore. And no we know why, because Kojima was leaving and was done. I'm sure the Deftones are on the same path.
And lyrically, I love Crosses far more than Gore.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 03, 2017, 05:53 PM
I love TPP, it just lacks the same paranormal/Kojima feel. It just feels like you have to TRY to like it, just like you have to TRY to like Gore. And no we know why, because Kojima was leaving and was done. I'm sure the Deftones are on the same path.
And lyrically, I love Crosses far more than Gore.
†††, Palms, [Team Sleep no because that would be an offense to even put it next to Gore for comparison :-X] yes, far more than anything in Gore.
And what if there are good lyrics in a song, does that make the whole song perfect?
I like songs from Gore just as songs not Deftones songs. The feel, the atmosphere; some may have it slightly but lose it.
The quote repeated for one of the 'trolls' is really good. Why can't he present it?
I wouldn't say they are in denial, they force themselves to like the album (maybe :v); to the ones that like/love it. But I'm with The Cyndicate saying the rare ones. It's like when someone likes something I don't; and we're talking Deftones here so we pretty much are expected to have the same taste and know what Deftones sounds like and/or is.
Quote from: guarnoplo on Apr 04, 2017, 02:51 AM
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 03, 2017, 05:53 PM
I love TPP, it just lacks the same paranormal/Kojima feel. It just feels like you have to TRY to like it, just like you have to TRY to like Gore. And no we know why, because Kojima was leaving and was done. I'm sure the Deftones are on the same path.
And lyrically, I love Crosses far more than Gore.
†††, Palms, [Team Sleep no because that would be an offense to even put it next to Gore for comparison :-X] yes, far more than anything in Gore.
And what if there are good lyrics in a song, does that make the whole song perfect?
I like songs from Gore just as songs not Deftones songs. The feel, the atmosphere; some may have it slightly but lose it.
The quote repeated for one of the 'trolls' is really good. Why can't he present it?
I wouldn't say they are in denial, they force themselves to like the album (maybe :v); to the ones that like/love it. But I'm with The Cyndicate saying the rare ones. It's like when someone likes something I don't; and we're talking Deftones here so we pretty much are expected to have the same taste and know what Deftones sounds like and/or is.
Yeah, it just does not feel like a Deftones album. And that's a problem, it's never happened before.
Here are a few other points:
People keep talking about great, complex lyrics on Gore and that's one of the problems, they are "try hard" lyrics. That's what removes the Deftones feel from the album. Are they unique, complex lyrics? Yup, but when you hear them, you can just tell that he sat down and TRIED to make them like that, when in past albums, the lyrics feel genuine, like they just flowed out of him and he sings them honestly. Gore sounds like a cop trying to justify a bullshit parking ticket. Just dishonest as hell.
Rubicon:
If you listen to this song and you don't get the message that they are thanking fans and saying goodbye, then I just don't know what to say. I instantly get the feeling of them appreciating the crowds and support and it just feels like a farewell song. It's weird that it's almost the only song with a meta-atmosphere like old Deftones, but it's not that great.
Really, the album overall feels like an autistic millennial wrote it.
LOL @ autistic millennial. I don't really get that vibe personally, but that's a funny line nonetheless.
I don't think Gore is perfect, by the way. I do have problems with it. Production sucks, which we all know, but there's a couple other bugaboos. DU and Gore are heavy for the sake of heavy as musteatbrains mentioned. I also feel that Pittura and Xenon (which I both personally like) don't really jive with the mood of the rest of the album. They just feel lighter than the rest of the songs, like they belong on a different album or something. PB feels like it's going to be a great song, starts out with some really pretty melodies, but gets repetitive somewhere along the line and just ends up being a good song instead. In other words, it suffers from Entombed syndrome.
I still think P/T, AH, Geo, H/W, (L)MIRL and Rubicon are great songs, though. I'll defend those six to the end...'til we all get off.
And yes, Rubicon does feel like somewhat of a farewell song. That is, until the next Deftones album drops in a few years.
And I'm with you on Crosses. For my money, it's the best album Chino has put out this decade.
Quote from: Inkblades on Apr 04, 2017, 05:15 AM
LOL @ autistic millennial. I don't really get that vibe personally, but that's a funny line nonetheless.
I don't think Gore is perfect, by the way. I do have problems with it. Production sucks, which we all know, but there's a couple other bugaboos. DU and Gore are heavy for the sake of heavy as musteatbrains mentioned. I also feel that Pittura and Xexon (which I both personally like) don't really jive with the mood of the rest of the album. They just feel lighter than the rest of the songs, like they belong on a different album or something. PB feels like it's going to be a great song, starts out with some really pretty melodies, but gets repetitive somewhere along the line and just ends up being a good song instead. In other words, it suffers from Entombed syndrome.
I still think P/T, AH, Geo, H/W, (L)MIRL and Rubicon are great songs, though. I'll defend those six to the end...'til we all get off.
And yes, Rubicon does feel like somewhat of a farewell song. That is, until the next Deftones album drops in a few years.
And I'm with you on Crosses. For my money, it's the best album Chino has put out this decade.
I happen to love (L)MIRL. It makes me want to kill myself and somehow that's a great thing. It's really weird, but if a song can do that to me, I really like that it can make me feel.
But it still doesn't feel like a Deftones song/album.
I want to take Hyde, tie him to a chair, take his shoes and socks off, turn on the album and every time I hear a production fault, hit him on his bare feet with a rubber mallet.
Either way, if they make another new, full album, it will surprise me. Not Eros, because I think they very well might finish that and release it.
I very well could be wrong about all of what I posted on this topic, I just don't think I am.
EDIT:
In Rubicon, he says "The record is ours to break!".
He isn't saying like a world record, he is saying that the ALBUM is theirs to break. Pretty much admitting that they broke the damn album on purpose.
Think about this stuff.
Crystal clear! They are deftones fanboys, and they are leapers to the leapers. After all, they support a album so fucking generic and terrible. Deftones have unleashed the P/T onto the tone-def masses. And has left them with one official vídeo, The best part is the title track is so bad, it will make deceased drummer abe roll over in his grave a few times.The album Lol, Take a listen as generic riffs serve as a luke warm backdrop. To put it simply, they sound much less heavy, And the songwriting is piss poor.. They have also reduced their screaming with time, and have shed their agressive nu-metal roots almost completely after their wp album with laughable attemps of being heavy with songs as DU. A lot of fans view this as a cop out. Many of their softer numbers are also overly emo/sentimental. With gore they score a 10 on the suck meter.
To be fair, he really did fuck his throat up badly. He is lucky he can sing at all. That being said, if you ever catch me having to inhale to scream at the same time, flat out kill me. Please.
Quote from: The Cyndicate on Apr 04, 2017, 05:56 AM
EDIT:
In Rubicon, he says "The record is ours to break!".
He isn't saying like a world record, he is saying that the ALBUM is theirs to break. Pretty much admitting that they broke the damn album on purpose.
Think about this stuff.
Deep.
Anything related to gore!
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Quote from: The Prodigy on Apr 04, 2017, 09:03 PM
Anything related to gore!
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Lol.