I owned Around The Fur CD back in 1997. I listened to the album 100+ times back then. I knew Damone was a "hidden track" tacked on the end, but I rarely listened to it. It was a pain in the ass to fast forward to it on my cheap-ass CD players back then. I just got used to the album ending with MX.
Fast forward to the age of the Ipod, I have started to make lots of customized versions of albums. We can edit albums any way we want now. If you want to get rid of 30 minutes of silence, then do it. If there are two songs on one track, you can split them. If you think a song just sucks ass, then remove it.
I like to listen to albums the way that the artists originally intended, but everyone has to admit that 30 minutes of silence has no place on an Ipod.
I tried to put Damone as track 11 on Around The Fur, starting immediately after MX, but it just doesn't sound right.
Do you have Damone on your version of Around The Fur, did you add it on to the B-Sides album, or do you just pretend it doesn't exist?
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My Own Summer (Shove It)
Lhabia
Mascara
Around The Fur
Rickets
Be Quiet And Drive (Far Away)
Lotion
Dai The Flu
Headup
MX
Bong Hit (Ohh Yeah)
Damone
Really interesting topic. I think there's no question that making a song hidden definitely puts it in its own category, which may be inferior to the rest of the "normal" songs on the album. At the same time, it's still on the album. If you wanna be a purist, you keep the silence and leave Damone where it was originally. Otherwise, trim the silence, and accept the fact that the song is on the record, you just happened to stop listening prematurely. But no, I don't think it belongs on the b-sides compilation...or as the first track of white pony...or some other fabrication. If you wanna compromise, just trim the silence to 30 seconds, and you'll have the same effect as MX being the album "closer" but with Damone offshore but in reach.
Quote from: truthaddict on Apr 23, 2013, 01:57 AM
I owned Around The Fur CD back in 1997. I listened to the album 100+ times back then. I knew Damone was a "hidden track" tacked on the end, but I rarely listened to it. It was a pain in the ass to fast forward to it on my cheap-ass CD players back then. I just got used to the album ending with MX.
Fast forward to the age of the Ipod, I have started to make lots of customized versions of albums. We can edit albums any way we want now. If you want to get rid of 30 minutes of silence, then do it. If there are two songs on one track, you can split them. If you think a song just sucks ass, then remove it.
I like to listen to albums the way that the artists originally intended, but everyone has to admit that 30 minutes of silence has no place on an Ipod.
I tried to put Damone as track 11 on Around The Fur, starting immediately after MX, but it just doesn't sound right.
Do you have Damone on your version of Around The Fur, did you add it on to the B-Sides album, or do you just pretend it doesn't exist?
_______________________________________
My Own Summer (Shove It)
Lhabia
Mascara
Around The Fur
Rickets
Be Quiet And Drive (Far Away)
Lotion
Dai The Flu
Headup
MX
Bong Hit (Ohh Yeah)
Damone
in my opinion, yes - Damone does indeed belong on Around The Fur. It was on the record, after all. I know MX is a perfect closing track, but Damone certainly fits the lyrical theme of the record, has the same feel, and is a fucking amazing song.
so, in short - yes. i put it as track 11 without the gap. i don't usually have the patience to sit through the gap anyway :)
EDIT: On a similar note, but off topic a bit - I also put 'Lovers' as the closing track on Self Titled... and that was never even on the record. I don't care. They were fucking crazy for leaving that track on the cutting room floor. One of the best tracks from that session, in my humble opinion. Now - something back on topic a bit - I'd never put Crenshaw on my ATF tracklist. It's a pretty weak song by ATF's standards. However, I really wish they had re-recorded Can't Even Breathe for ATF and put it on. That would have been amazing.
Quote from: buddyboy101 on Apr 23, 2013, 02:03 AM
Really interesting topic. I think there's no question that making a song hidden definitely puts it in its own category, which may be inferior to the rest of the "normal" songs on the album. At the same time, it's still on the album. If you wanna be a purist, you keep the silence and leave Damone where it was originally. Otherwise, trim the silence, and accept the fact that the song is on the record, you just happened to stop listening prematurely. But no, I don't think it belongs on the b-sides compilation...or as the first track of white pony...or some other fabrication. If you wanna compromise, just trim the silence to 30 seconds, and you'll have the same effect as MX being the album "closer" but with Damone offshore but in reach.
Yeah, I have thought about leaving just 30 seconds of silence on the end of MX too. I think that might be the best compromise. That way Damone is still there, and it keeps some of that "out-of-nowhere-punch-in-the-face" effect.
I just like to put my Ipod on shuffle a lot too, and it kind of sucks to have any silence between songs.
I'm interested to see what others think.
I replaced Rickets with Damone, cause I hate that song, and it allows MX to be the closer.....perfect album! 5 stars!
Yeah it's definitely up to personal taste.
My self titled ends with Sinatra, Sleep Walk and Lovers.
Similarly, my White Pony ends with Boys Republic and Back to School.
I know it's inconsistent (Sinatra, Sleep Walk and Lovers were b-sides to singles, yet I don't put any b-sides, like No Ordinary Love/Crenshaw (which were b-sides to Change, even though from different eras) on White Pony, just album variants like BTS and Boys Republic). So at the end of the day, set the playlist as you remember it growing up.
Quote from: pinkmaggit69 on Apr 23, 2013, 02:16 AM
I replaced Rickets with Damone, cause I hate that song, and it allows MX to be the closer.....perfect album! 5 stars!
Funny, I used to leave Teenager off my White Pony playlist, but now I LOVE it. Time's funny. I used to not care for Rickets, but it's a short rager, and an excellent fluffer leading into BQAD.
Quote from: pinkmaggit69 on Apr 23, 2013, 02:16 AM
I replaced Rickets with Damone, cause I hate that song, and it allows MX to be the closer.....perfect album! 5 stars!
I don't mind deleting a song from an album if it really sucks, but I can't really bring myself to rearrange the track order like that.
I sort of like the fact it's hidden it makes it interesting plus I always fail to realise the music has stopped and then those drums kick in and I realise I've been listening to 30 minutes of silence lol, I think it certainly does belong it feels wrong to rearrange and chop albums up and I've got the Damone song by itself aswell if I want to listen to it anyway.
Quote from: truthaddict on Apr 23, 2013, 01:57 AM
It was a pain in the ass to fast forward to it on my cheap-ass CD players back then.
I know that shit! ;D
And when I was to far forward and went a bit back, half the time I accidentally skipped the whole track back.
This was bullshit.
Don't forget the bong hit at ca. 19 mins into MX!
I have it as track 11 with a 5 seconds gap between it and MX. No Bong Hit though.
I somewhat refuse the idea of having Damone as a single track, I have the one of 30 minutes of silence ripped, and I sometimes let the silence be there, sometimes i listen to other songs between the empty time, or just press fast forward 'till bong hit, then 'till Damone.
But since the mp3 of the 30 mins track needs a lot of space I did a reduction, being MX, 15secs of silence, Bong Hit, 15 secs of silence and then Damone.
Sometimes I even go repeat the whole track from MX and repeat the process twice or more.
Yes.
I remember one day I was listening to ATF while I was looking at random shit on the internet out of boredom. After Bong Hit, I forgot it was on and started watching some videos. One of them was some guy trying to make Cleverbot say something or another in particular, and when he got it he just lost his shit. Damone kicked in at the EXACT moment he started going nuts, and for just a second I thought he'd decided to try and overdub some victory music.
I'd leave it just for that. Still, it was on the album, so of course it's on my version of ATF.
Agreed with scary window, Lovers is amazing. How did that go from title track to B-side? Better than at least half the songs on ST, in my opinion.
I think it was in that Q&A they had but I remember seeing something where Chino said that they loved Lovers aswell (no pun intended) but that it wasn't ready for the albums release and they didn't want to have a rushed version of it on since they liked it so much, so they decided to not put it on and spend the time to make it right.
This is an interesting thread to me as it never occurred to me to have 'Damone' as a separate track on my itunes. Could anyone give me any advice on how to merge tracks? What I want to do is have 'MX' with a 10 second gap of silence and then the 'Bong Hit'. I'd like to merge these two tracks and then probably have 'Damone' as a separate track afterwards. Thanks.
By the way, I did try to figure out how to do this by googling how to do it, but had no luck.
Quote from: Kingey on Apr 26, 2013, 07:27 AM
This is an interesting thread to me as it never occurred to me to have 'Damone' as a separate track on my itunes. Could anyone give me any advice on how to merge tracks? What I want to do is have 'MX' with a 10 second gap of silence and then the 'Bong Hit'. I'd like to merge these two tracks and then probably have 'Damone' as a separate track afterwards. Thanks.
By the way, I did try to figure out how to do this by googling how to do it, but had no luck.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+split+audio+track+in+Audacity+ (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+split+audio+track+in+Audacity+)
Quote from: defTHE1s on Apr 24, 2013, 08:34 PM
But since the mp3 of the 30 mins track needs a lot of space I did a reduction, being MX, 15secs of silence, Bong Hit, 15 secs of silence and then Damone.
This is exactly what I did too, it works perfectly.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Apr 25, 2013, 02:54 AM
I think it was in that Q&A they had but I remember seeing something where Chino said that they loved Lovers aswell (no pun intended) but that it wasn't ready for the albums release and they didn't want to have a rushed version of it on since they liked it so much, so they decided to not put it on and spend the time to make it right.
Crazy, imagine of that song would have opened S/T, damn that would have hit hard... such a cool song and now it and songs like damone kind of just float around in deftones limbo
its crazy to think the deftones have a better collection of B-Sides than most bands have hits lmao
I'm proud of the Deftones ;D
Damone was always one of favorite. such a sweet sounding track. 32:36 bitches.
Of course it does. It's a time-capsule of exactly where they were in that era.
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee461/billy6650/DEFTONESDAMONEMEME_zps8ab21484.png) (http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/billy6650/media/DEFTONESDAMONEMEME_zps8ab21484.png.html)
Yeah I love the drums especially in this video. and that line "the feeling gets old,and so do your eyes" one of my favourite.
http://youtu.be/FCZVOlAt0hg (http://youtu.be/FCZVOlAt0hg)
Thirty Two Thirty Six if you can dig it.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 08, 2013, 01:17 AM
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Personally, I think it belongs. Probably one of my favorite songs off the album. That and I couldn't see this song fitting in on any other album they've done. I will say it is a bitch fast forwarding through all that silence. Does anyone else get annoyed with the little bong rip bit? Kind of pointless to me
I listen to Damone on mp3 format off b-sides so i dont have to skip through, but i dont listen to MX on mp3 as its about 60mb. So to cut a long story short i love Damone but i couldnt give a crap what album im listening to it off
yes true I just want to hear the song.
I remember in this one classical music class I had to sleep through, he mentioned getting our ears so finely tuned we will be able to know what year each recording was by each artist. I'm already into that with all modern music since the 50's, I've always done that, especially with my favorite bands, and if I never knew about Damone, I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
Word
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
I wrote a comment pretty similar to that on youtube a couple years ago. YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME?
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 14, 2013, 09:20 PM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
I wrote a comment pretty similar to that on youtube a couple years ago. YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME?
Ya because of that shit you just sent, how do I report you?
On a side note, is the song title pronounced Damone (Dam-own) or Damoné (Dam-ownay)? Are there any youtube interviews to confirm?
I've heard people say both, but I always thought it was the first.
DA MOAN.
Cool. I'll go with that.
I couldn't remember if the title was actually written in the album booklet anywhere. I guess that would confirm it too, if it's there.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 10:35 PM
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Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
I wrote a comment pretty similar to that on youtube a couple years ago. YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME?
Ya because of that shit you just sent, how do I report you?
What shit? ???
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 15, 2013, 01:20 AM
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Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
I wrote a comment pretty similar to that on youtube a couple years ago. YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME?
Ya because of that shit you just sent, how do I report you?
What shit? ???
that shit your into, that shit is vile, whats your problem?
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on May 08, 2013, 01:17 AM
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Just listened to Around the Fur tonight, Damone included, its without a doubt one of the best songs on that CD.
Also for the record, because someone asked, I have always pronounced it as Da-moan. Not sure if that's correct or not though.
Yeah it's pronounced Da Moan I saw an interview I think it was that quiz one they did and they had to name the hidden track's they've done or something like that and Abe pronounced it Da Moan.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 15, 2013, 02:17 AM
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Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 14, 2013, 04:42 AM
I would easily place it on around the fur. it's like you're waking up from all those beautiful emotions you just felt through the whole record and now hear is the realization of that dream.
I wrote a comment pretty similar to that on youtube a couple years ago. YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME?
Ya because of that shit you just sent, how do I report you?
What shit? ???
that shit your into, that shit is vile, whats your problem?
Crystal meth? yeah hes a big user... :P
Quote from: Romain on May 17, 2013, 12:04 PM...
Back then? funny it reminds me more of now, abstract lyrics, heavy verse, beautiful choruses and refrains. ya they've perfected that right now, today.
you know Damone is really the gem of gems, it actually could be the song that defines this group in terms of what they do with their sound. I love it specifically because it showcases chino's melodies and lyrics.
For the record, Damone was the name of one of the most badass characters in the John Hughes 80's movie 'The Breakfast Club'. pretty sure that's where the title came from.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 17, 2013, 04:43 PM
you know Damone is really the gem of gems, it actually could be the song that defines this group in terms of what they do with their sound. I love it specifically because it showcases chino's melodies and lyrics.
I'd say "Lovers" is their defining song. "Damone" could be too though....
I wouldn't say they have one defining song, they've just covered so much of a musical scope that one song can't properly show all the elements they use, that being said you could pick one for each time period and for the ATF period Damone is a good example.
Quote from: Electron§ on Jun 07, 2013, 10:33 AM
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 17, 2013, 04:43 PM
you know Damone is really the gem of gems, it actually could be the song that defines this group in terms of what they do with their sound. I love it specifically because it showcases chino's melodies and lyrics.
I'd say "Lovers" is their defining song. "Damone" could be too though....
no way, but the album yes.
Speaking of pronounciations, how does everyone say fireal? I've never had the opportunity to talk to another deftones fan in person because my town sucks.
Yeah I've never heard another person say it either but I say it as Fi reel
I say Fire-Ree-Al
wer da meth at?
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jun 07, 2013, 09:32 PM
Yeah I've never heard another person say it either but I say it as Fi reel
why not say it like these guys: Deftones - Dragonfly Interview 1995 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7k2GaLYlo#)
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Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jun 07, 2013, 09:32 PM
Yeah I've never heard another person say it either but I say it as Fi reel
why not say it like these guys: Deftones - Dragonfly Interview 1995 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7k2GaLYlo#)
Thanks, I saw this a long time ago and never caught that. One of my favorite songs for sure.
Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on Jun 07, 2013, 05:43 PM
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Quote from: SwerveCityUSA on May 17, 2013, 04:43 PM
you know Damone is really the gem of gems, it actually could be the song that defines this group in terms of what they do with their sound. I love it specifically because it showcases chino's melodies and lyrics.
I'd say "Lovers" is their defining song. "Damone" could be too though....
no way, but the album yes.
No way? Really? "Lovers" is pretty much everything Deftones is about rolled into one damn song. I don't know how you don't see it. it has perfect dynamics, it sounds hopeless at the end, but in that chorus it just soars and sounds completely epic and yet you see there's a light at the end of this tunnel without the song sounding too lighthearted, and then during the verse its claustrophobic and dark. Its just beautiful. I could even see the band potentially agreeing with this. And it doesn't feature any throwaway elements. There's no rapping, there's no stupid lyrics in it, no screaming (well screaming's not a bad thing, but to other people it might be). Its just pure fucking Deftones awesomeness.
Quote from: Cullision on Jun 07, 2013, 07:57 PM
Speaking of pronounciations, how does everyone say fireal? I've never had the opportunity to talk to another deftones fan in person because my town sucks.
Everyone I know has always pronounced it "Fur-eal"
Quote from: Electron§ on Jun 09, 2013, 11:23 AM
Everyone I know has always pronounced it "Fur-eal"
Me too
Damone is perfect right where it's at on ATF.
For starters, it's dark as fuck, and it's inclusion at the very end of the record helps to push what is already an intense sonic experience completely into the red. I love that entire album and it's still probably my favorite record they've done, and that song and its placement on the album made me realize more than any other song they'd done at that point that Deftones were on -- and heading towards -- some other shit entirely.
Queue the White Pony.
Also, it's placement on ATF is interesting in itself.
Damone is not some throwaway b-side or experimental bullshit tacked onto the end of the record; it's a monster that easily holds its own with the other songs, and in some cases towers over other tracks. The fact that they deliberately buried it a half an hour after the actual album is finished is telling.
Exactly what it's telling I'm still not sure of, but the way it just explodes out of the speakers after all that silence only maximizes it's already-epic impact.
Damone most definitely belongs on ATF, the 30 minute gap can be annoying but I don't mind working a little bit for that kind of epicness.
For me, yes.
There is no logical reason for Damone not to be on ATF. Chef Royardee loves that song. UTKT- understand that know that
Quote from: Cullision on Jun 21, 2013, 08:02 AM
Damone most definitely belongs on ATF, the 30 minute gap can be annoying but I don't mind working a little bit for that kind of epicness.
You could just download them seperately:
Quote from: pinata89 on Jul 05, 2013, 11:38 PM
Sorry for the late reply. I reposted the individual files:
Mx: https://mega.co.nz/#!Z4txxBpQ!fWNpy1Ogbq69O0b81oo_SyhgjzA2ZeDj1TUKxbOf-KE
Damone: https://mega.co.nz/#!hlljxbiQ!d-KbuQ2Hc7zkiQuuLn_VawAHRgYt_mV9v2YjdlAOiVQ
I was gonna reply to the original topic.. then I saw someone say they didn't like Rickets. Now it's all I can think about =/
Don't like Rickets?! Piss on that shit, I love that song.
Same here. Rickets FTW!
Damone too.