I been
feeling like this for awhile, I might be alone on this one but why can't they play different Songs on tour instead Of all the predictable ones.is there a way all of SL could just come together and get a hold of these muthatrukas and have them do a voting poll for us real fans to vote for the songs we want hear, if they actually fucking love us they will do It,fuk even korn did that for there fans.they do half the new album for promotion And let us pick the rest.I spent so much money at concerts just like most of y'all,come on people I know most of u feel the same!
North american tour 2013 voting poll,come on fucking deftones give a shit about us already >:(
Sometimes if you ask them on twitter they will play it but I think some stuff they will never play live for personal reasons,I don't expect them to change their complete set every night they are not doing it for people watching bootlegs who see every concert on the tour on youtube it's for the people in the audience are only seeing that one show. Plus it would be a logistical nightmare to vary that much alot of planing goes into those tours with all the different equipment required and other stuff like the light show it's not as easy as just showing up and playing what they want.
Also they need to rehearse the songs they are going to play it would be impossible for them to play any song from their catalogue at any time they may be musicians but they can only remember so much aswell, I think Chino even said they've forgot the guitar part to Pink Maggit and Sergio's also a factor with the small amount of time he had to get settled I doubt he even know's all their songs especially since when he was learning them he also had to write new stuff.
Imagine deftones saying fuk it were down wit that and we all voted in a two week span and they enought time to pull this shit off, u know sum in near future.just picture them playing mx-ratsx3-lifter and a few others with a setlist that stays the same at least for 1tour!
Yeah it would be good but there's actually so little space for songs for them to choose especially after a new album, half is taken up by the new material and then there's those de-facto songs like change and 7 words because not everyone's a hardcore fan who want's to see rarities so have aim to please the majority, Also are you high again? aren't you the guy who made a whole thread about looking at the album cover upside down? lol
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Dec 30, 2012, 09:00 AM
Yeah it would be good but there's actually so little space for songs for them to choose especially after a new album, half is taken up by the new material and then there's those de-facto songs like change and 7 words because not everyone's a hardcore fan who want's to see rarities so have aim to please the majority, Also are you high again? aren't you the guy who made a whole thread about looking at the album cover upside down? lol
well of course everyone would have a diff setlist but that's were the voting would come in,let's say they do 6 KNY songs out of 20 song setlist that's there average 18 or 20 per show, we would pic like 3 songs of each album well u get the picture. Btw that tread about upside. Down booklet,I was really fucking bored at work homie 12hr shifts will fuck u up,lol
It's just the product of a long-established band.
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
is there a way all of SL could just come together and get a hold of these muthatrukas and have them do a voting poll for us real fans to vote for the songs we want hear
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html)
i really think that in the past deftones was able to play a lot of more song, maybe with pass of time, they've got a little lazy
Quote from: Penicks on Dec 30, 2012, 01:27 PM
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
is there a way all of SL could just come together and get a hold of these muthatrukas and have them do a voting poll for us real fans to vote for the songs we want hear
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html)
ahh setlist.com that's my shit I always check that shit out before goin to see los deftones,btw that setlist is a fucking gem
Quote from: nineteen on Dec 30, 2012, 01:22 PM
It's just the product of a long-established band.
that's what im scared of dude,them turning into a kiss -motley crue type of band that plays the same fucking setlist over and over, for example do we really need2 listen ystb fucking song suks.
Everyone has different favorite songs. And course they play their classics. Yeah, it'd be great if they played rare/uncommonly played songs more, and if they changed the setlists now and again, but so what? If you hate it so much, then just dont waste your money seeing them more than a few times. By all means try to reach out to them, but I dont think it makes sense to say they're taking fans for granted or dont care just because they dont switch up the setlist much anymore. Every single band I listen to has the same setlist per tour minus a couple of changes here and there, so I guess I'm used to it.
not only the same setlist, they also unite 3 songs playing em faster than ever, i really dont like that
While I wish they'd play a different set list every night like radiohead, they just aren't at that level of musicianship and aren't the type of genre to switch it up a lot. By the way Northcal, your grammar makes me shudder.
If anything, a lot of so-called hardcore fans take Deftones for granted, and act like they need to follow your orders. The way I see it, they're my favourite band and when I go see them again next month, I want nothing more from the setlist than to let 'em do whatever the fuck they want. Their setlist could be A LOT more 'predictable' and worse than it is so it irritates me when people whine about it. It's good. They played fucking Riviere on every show of the last tour, and Bored, I wouldn't complain about that. If they WERE playing "mx-ratsx3-lifter" on this last tour... you'd still be moaning that they weren't playing other songs.
If they let 'fans' pick the setlist.. that wouldn't be a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a set full of rarities as much as the next guy but if the band don't feel like it, there's no point watching them do that. Let's be reasonable man.
I just wish they did the same thing korn did in 1999 or in 2000 letting fans vote the setlist for tour,even if the setlist remain the same for the tour.
Quote from: Northcal on Jan 03, 2013, 07:59 AM
I just wish they did the same thing korn did in 1999 or in 2000 letting fans vote the setlist for tour,even if the setlist remain the same for the tour.
Korn also only had like 3 or 4 albums of material then plus their equipment and tunings pretty much stayed the same so it was alot easier to organise
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 03, 2013, 08:47 AM
Quote from: Northcal on Jan 03, 2013, 07:59 AM
I just wish they did the same thing korn did in 1999 or in 2000 letting fans vote the setlist for tour,even if the setlist remain the same for the tour.
Korn also only had like 3 or 4 albums of material then plus their equipment and tunings pretty much stayed the same so it was alot easier to organise
very true my friend they only had 4 albums during that time.
I bet with a large enough sample size, the songs would remain the same after being polled. They pretty much play their staples that most people know: MOS, BQAD, Minerva, 7 Words, Change, Hexagram, Bloody Cape, etc etc... Then they play the new album which takes 6-8 songs out of the way.. And really what else do you have left, 4-6 more songs? Not that those songs are the "best" but they have the largest general appeal and are played for that reason, so most likely polling people wouldn't change the set all too much.
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 04:56 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Dec 30, 2012, 01:27 PM
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
is there a way all of SL could just come together and get a hold of these muthatrukas and have them do a voting poll for us real fans to vote for the songs we want hear
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html)
ahh setlist.com that's my shit I always check that shit out before goin to see los deftones,btw that setlist is a fucking gem
Hell no, I much rather not know the setlist in advance, so that I can't know what will be next song.
Quote from: sooniletugo on Jan 02, 2013, 10:29 PM
If anything, a lot of so-called hardcore fans take Deftones for granted, and act like they need to follow your orders. The way I see it, they're my favourite band and when I go see them again next month, I want nothing more from the setlist than to let 'em do whatever the fuck they want. Their setlist could be A LOT more 'predictable' and worse than it is so it irritates me when people whine about it. It's good. They played fucking Riviere on every show of the last tour, and Bored, I wouldn't complain about that. If they WERE playing "mx-ratsx3-lifter" on this last tour... you'd still be moaning that they weren't playing other songs.
If they let 'fans' pick the setlist.. that wouldn't be a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a set full of rarities as much as the next guy but if the band don't feel like it, there's no point watching them do that. Let's be reasonable man.
yeah to be honest deftones fans are definitely spoiled and feel entitled for some reason, lol
they have a huge discography and a ton of great songs, no matter what they play someone is gonna be happy and someone is gonna be disappointed... I am just grateful this band (my favorite band) has lasted for 7 albums (not mentioning Linus demos and the rarities and covers they have done) thats a ton of good music, how many other bands can offer that?
Im just mad I discover deftones a lil too late :-\ 2005-2045 :'(
Well, most fans don't check the setlists religiously, or have the time/money/whatever to see all of their shows. Besides, they busted out Riviere for this tour, that was awesome.
Quote from: Dath on Jan 04, 2013, 10:39 PM
Well, most fans don't check the setlists religiously, or have the time/money/whatever to see all of their shows. Besides, they busted out Riviere for this tour, that was awesome.
just for the fuck of it give me 5 songs you w 8)ould pick.
that would be cool if they changed it up once in a while.....i keep looking at the setlistfm to see if they changed there setlist and nope...still the same.....i wanna hear rats rats rats...and when girls telephone boys and more off of SNW...
I think we have a right to feel entitled if youve seen the record sales it seems they have 65, 000 true fans. This band should have probably died after snw came out. Fans make the band. If it wasn't for us they'd be playing shows for 4 people and working in the cd department of best buy.
Yeah but a record sale doesn't automatically translate to a hardcore fan alot of people are just casual listeners who don't care for or know much of the more obscure or rare tracks alot of those people want to hear the songs like "Change" that they can sing along to, for example I doubt everyone who buys their cd's belongs to a fan club like this or follows them as closely as we do and it's only a small potion of the fanbase that are seeing them over and over again I would say it's bit too much of a good thing in some cases I would be stoked just to see them live even once, I wouldn't give a fuck what they played.
I will definitely go see them on this upcoming tour.I hope they surprise me wit a few songs I haven't heard live** lifter,battle axe,bloody cape,mx,mein,korea,minus blindf :'( :P 8)old, shit like that!
Depending on how long you've been a fan or how long/how many times you've seen them live, there really cant be that many songs that you've never seen unless they just have never played them. I think for most people who have seen them 10x or more, it's probably us more wanting them to stop playing certain songs. I could certainly do without hearing 7 words live ever again. Of course that will never happen, But its not going to make me start bitching that I dont get to hear The Boys Republic.
Quote from: laurapalmer on Jan 07, 2013, 04:40 AM
Depending on how long you've been a fan or how long/how many times you've seen them live, there really cant be that many songs that you've never seen unless they just have never played them. I think for most people who have seen them 10x or more, it's probably us more wanting them to stop playing certain songs. I could certainly do without hearing 7 words live ever again. Of course that will never happen, But its not going to make me start bitching that I dont get to hear The Boys Republic.
I wish they would retired change and 7words. :-X
I could see 7 words being retired but change?? GTFOH... everytime that intro starts, the sound effect frank does gives me chills, its like the whole place goes in a trance, such a great song
7 words could be in need of retirement, but i agree that they could keep playing Change, at least for while, although i think every band has songs that reaches a point where they should be retired.
To me, that goes for Change as well.
My girlfriend was gonna get me tickets to see them in February but I told her not to bother after checking recent set lists.
Change may be one of their biggest hits but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's an amazing song, no way it should be retired or dropped from their set ever. Infact its popularity just makes it even better when played live, and everyone sings along. I noticed they've dropped Minerva and that's a shame, that's one of their absolute best songs to me and much like Change, always gives me chills and takes me to a special place. I wouldn't mind if they dropped 7 Words and I don't know why they haven't, even for one show, but whatever.
Yeah alot of people are sick of Change because it was overplayed due to it's success but I love it ,I still get a tingle down my spine as soon as the guitar starts, 7 words though could go the band don't even like playing it,
Exactly. Gives me mad chills like no other song I can think of, and its also the song that got me into Deftones. 7 Words I remember Chino said was his least favourite song, so I wonder why they insist on closing every show with it.
"Change" will never go away in their live set..Its their most appealing piece of audio to the masses
and i love it.... so there
it's also something i don't understand
on one hand, you can be like "yeah but the band should play what they feel like playing", which makes sense
but on the other hand, in interviews they're like "yeah if there's one song i'd retire it's 7 words because that was written when i was sixteen years old, but the fans want to hear it"
some shitty fans if they just wanna hear their biggest hits, it's not even remotely their best stuff. i mean, i think going to a concert means that one is a pretty dedicated fan
so my conclusion is: the boys are just too lazy to practice their more obscure shit so they're just in their comfort zone
which is a shame
I doubt that's the case the earlier stuff is probably more demanding on them, the guitar was more intricate and Chino has to wear his voice out by screaming lots and the guys are pushing 40 it's definitely not taking the easy route playing the real fast high energy stuff,I think it's more of a case of playing what they think the fans want to hear and for the majority of fans it's the hits they want to be able to sing along and experience the nostalgia, Just like any fan base it's only a minority of the fans who get right into the b-sides and rarities side of things and going to a concert doesn't mean that they are hardcore fans it just means they enjoy the music I doubt everyone who goes to theirs concert follows them as close as we do lol.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 08, 2013, 09:06 PM
My girlfriend was gonna get me tickets to see them in February but I told her not to bother after checking recent set lists.
So you passed on a free ticket (assuming as a gift) for a Deftones gig?!
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 08, 2013, 09:06 PM
My girlfriend was gonna get me tickets to see them in February but I told her not to bother after checking recent set lists.
DUDE! I know you don't like the new album and the setlist thing has been disappointing for a few years now but... reconsider.
Rule no.1 of SL never pass up a free ticket for the tones 8)
Quote from: Northcal on Jan 10, 2013, 02:38 AM
Rule no.1 of SL never pass up a free ticket for the tones 8)
Definitely that pisses me off maybe the thread should be the other way round lol ,some fans are taking the opportunity they get to see them live for granted try living in fucking middle earth lol they could come here and Chino could just play an hour long triangle solo and we'd be stoked.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 10, 2013, 02:49 AM
Quote from: Northcal on Jan 10, 2013, 02:38 AM
Rule no.1 of SL never pass up a free ticket for the tones 8)
Definitely that pisses me off maybe the thread should be the other way round lol ,some fans are taking the opportunity they get to see them live for granted try living in fucking middle earth lol they could come here and Chino could just play an hour long triangle solo and we'd be stoked.
lol
If they were to switch it the fuck up yeah for sure, but typical boring ass setlists just hurt my soul. Also their fans in the UK are fucking intolerable, 60% will be pretentious hipsters and the other 40% straight up thrashers. It's not like the show is on my doorstep either I'd have to travel like 100miles to get there. Plus she's not really into them so I'd just be at a show on my own.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
If they were to switch it the fuck up yeah for sure, but typical boring ass setlists just hurt my soul. Also their fans in the UK are fucking intolerable, 60% will be pretentious hipsters and the other 40% straight up thrashers. It's not like the show is on my doorstep either I'd have to travel like 100miles to get there. Plus she's not really into them so I'd just be at a show on my own.
well get ya a lil hotty at the show #9 .sometimes its good taking sand to the beach as long as you exchange it for new sand.lol 8)
I have no idea what you are saying man. Dump my girlfriend of 4 years cuz she don't like the band? haha
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 11, 2013, 01:48 AM
I have no idea what you are saying man. Dump my girlfriend of 4 years cuz she don't like the band? haha
im just fucking around bro, actually she must really like you bro to put up with a band she doesn't like just for u. U must be doing something right 8)
Does anyone know the July 2, 2007 setlist at warfield in san francisco.that was my 1st deftones concert and I wish I knew the setlist. 8)
When they were touring SNW i was actually quite surprised with what they pulled out the bag..... however since DE it is a slight predictable set list. I can understand a festival but when they just tour normal they should mix it up a tad! Saying that as long as i get Goon Squad and Poltergeist LIVE in feb ill be a happy chappy.
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
If they were to switch it the fuck up yeah for sure, but typical boring ass setlists just hurt my soul. Also their fans in the UK are fucking intolerable, 60% will be pretentious hipsters and the other 40% straight up thrashers. It's not like the show is on my doorstep either I'd have to travel like 100miles to get there. Plus she's not really into them so I'd just be at a show on my own.
I have to travel nearly 200 miles to see them but I'm a fan and that's what I will do.
Quote from: Northcal on Jan 12, 2013, 08:31 PM
Does anyone know the July 2, 2007 setlist at warfield in san francisco.that was my 1st deftones concert and I wish I knew the setlist. 8)
Vesanic come on bro u know this???
They're controlled by the fuckery of hollywood now. Hence all the trivial artwork on their new material. I still love the dudes and they're still putting out some shit worth listening to, but as far as I'm concerned MY deftones died when Chi went into a coma. I mean their fucking label is warner brothers FFS, do the math.
Quote from: Bza々 on Jan 22, 2013, 05:17 AM
They're controlled by the fuckery of hollywood now. Hence all the trivial artwork on their new material. I still love the dudes and they're still putting out some shit worth listening to, but as far as I'm concerned MY deftones died when Chi went into a coma. I mean their fucking label is warner brothers FFS, do the math.
I don't see how they're controlled they're still not putting out completely radio friendly shit surely if they were controlled all their songs would be 3-5 min long radio singles, Also how does the album artwork affect anything at all? and Maverick has been working with Warner this WHOLE time, right from the very beginning it's just that recently Warner folded up the Maverick subsidiary and just put everything under the parent company, Do a bit of research before ranting off conspiracy theories.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 22, 2013, 05:37 AM
Quote from: Bza々 on Jan 22, 2013, 05:17 AM
They're controlled by the fuckery of hollywood now. Hence all the trivial artwork on their new material. I still love the dudes and they're still putting out some shit worth listening to, but as far as I'm concerned MY deftones died when Chi went into a coma. I mean their fucking label is warner brothers FFS, do the math.
I don't see how they're controlled they're still not putting out completely radio friendly shit surely if they were controlled all their songs would be 3-5 min long radio singles, Also how does the album artwork affect anything at all? and Maverick has been working with Warner this WHOLE time, right from the very beginning it's just that recently Warner folded up the Maverick subsidiary and just put everything under the parent company, Do a bit of research before ranting off conspiracy theories.
Where are you from homie? Have you lived in LA or NYC? Do you know anyone in the entertainment business? And most importantly how long have you been listening to them? Sure they still have plenty of lead way to direct their music in a direction they're comfortable with. But if you think they have the same kind of freedom to do what they want with it as they did in the 90s then you know fuck all about how much the music industry has changed in the last decade. You label anything outside of your normalcy bias a "conspiracy theory" on this board, shit is laughable dude. Lemme guess you think Obama is the second coming of Jesus too ya?
I just think it's wrong to assume they're being controlled because their musical direction has changed to a less experimental style and I'm sure their at a point in their career where they have built up the trust of the record company enough to be given freedom. I don't see how living in L.A would help I'm over the other side of the world and I seemed to have more knowledge about the whole Maverick Warner arrangement, I'm guessing you have friends in some low level band that are telling you how the industry's changed but a band earns certain privileges over 19 years with the same company. As for the petty Obama remark please don't reinforce the stereotype that Americans have overseas.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Jan 22, 2013, 08:04 AM
I just think it's wrong to assume they're being controlled because their musical direction has changed to a less experimental style and I'm sure their at a point in their career where they have built up the trust of the record company enough to be given freedom. I don't see how living in L.A would help I'm over the other side of the world and I seemed to have more knowledge about the whole Maverick Warner arrangement, I'm guessing you have friends in some low level band that are telling you how the industry's changed but a band earns certain privileges over 19 years with the same company. As for the petty Obama remark please don't reinforce the stereotype that Americans have overseas.
deftones are lazy as fuk!!!
Quote from: BillyNo.9 on Jan 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
If they were to switch it the fuck up yeah for sure, but typical boring ass setlists just hurt my soul. Also their fans in the UK are fucking intolerable, 60% will be pretentious hipsters and the other 40% straight up thrashers. It's not like the show is on my doorstep either I'd have to travel like 100miles to get there. Plus she's not really into them so I'd just be at a show on my own.
It's amazing that you know every single UK Deftones fan out there. Besides, go for the band and their music, not the fans.
nm
Quote from: Sett on Jan 04, 2013, 05:36 PM
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 04:56 PM
Quote from: Penicks on Dec 30, 2012, 01:27 PM
Quote from: Northcal on Dec 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
is there a way all of SL could just come together and get a hold of these muthatrukas and have them do a voting poll for us real fans to vote for the songs we want hear
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html (http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/deftones/2011/paradiso-amsterdam-netherlands-5bd0e70c.html)
ahh setlist.com that's my shit I always check that shit out before goin to see los deftones,btw that setlist is a fucking gem
Hell no, I much rather not know the setlist in advance, so that I can't know what will be next song.
why so u could pay more money for the same setlist ova and ova??
You missed the point completely he just said he would rather not know the setlist in advance not that he doesn't want it to change , I'm the same i like a bit of surprise at gigs makes it much better when you hear that first riff of the song you've been waiting for.
Quote from: DeftonesNZ on Feb 08, 2013, 05:31 AM
You missed the point completely he just said he would rather not know the setlist in advance not that he doesn't want it to change , I'm the same i like a bit of surprise at gigs makes it much better when you hear that first riff of the song you've been waiting for.
how many times have u seen them live??
Never but that's completely irrelevant I was trying to explain to you that the guy you had a go at was simply saying when he see's a live act he like's the surprise of not knowing what's next on the set-list, He didn't say he wants the same songs over and over he just said he like's not knowing what's going to be played that night, stop being a dick head just because you have shit reading comprehension and stuff has to be explained to you.
Most people don't know what's on the set list unless they saw it before the show. They do make a few changes each show but as its been states before, they only have so much kit to keep changing it from night to night and to be honest, they have probably only practised certain stuff for the tour. I doubt they could pull a song out of a hat that they haven't probably played since they recorded it and do it justice for their pissy fans whom will just bitch and moan. Also, they will have to play the most recent stuff as the tour is just a massive marketing plan to flog more albums and throw a few oldies in to keep the kids happy. Just quit your fucking moaning and enjoy it while it lasts.
Just waiting 4tha new setlist :P 5-6 new songs+ surprises :-X
I love you deftones even if your all lazy stoners that make 4-5songs per album that are actually Good i understand that I missed the best yrs 95-2003 r.i.p. but deftones 4life baby. 8)
Time to give deftones a rest until they change the setlist,very borin 8)g and predictable
Quote from: Northcal on Feb 15, 2013, 10:41 AM
Just waiting 4tha new setlist :P 5-6 new songs+ surprises :-X
same, really hope they change it up in syd
Hopefully they'll add some pizzazz and play songs like Combat and maybe Deathblow?